Tiger Attacks @Zoo

Sherardp
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edited February 2011 in The Clubhouse
Pretty interesting story, sucks though someone had to get hurt. Im sure some of you guys local to the area heard about this.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071227/ap_on_re_us/tiger_escapes
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  • BaggedLancer
    BaggedLancer Posts: 6,371
    edited December 2007
    Based on the article they might have been taunting it. Not a smart move on their part.

    Just goes to show how stupid 19-23 year olds are....:p
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited December 2007
    Even if taunted, how did it get out? It will be interesting to know what happened.

    I thought this was funny:

    ".....when officers yelled at it to stop, it turned toward them and they opened fire."

    It seems the tiger didn't speak English.
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited December 2007
    Ricardo wrote: »
    Even if taunted, how did it get out? It will be interesting to know what happened.

    I thought this was funny:

    ".....when officers yelled at it to stop, it turned toward them and they opened fire."

    It seems the tiger didn't speak English.

    That is pretty funny. But yeah how it got it remains the mystery. And they are highly doubting its capabilities to jump that high. Not saying it couldnt have, I think when an animal's natural instinct kicks in, anything is possible, though at a height of 15 feet or higher that remains subjective. Hope they learned a lesson from it.
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  • BaggedLancer
    BaggedLancer Posts: 6,371
    edited December 2007
    My question is why didn't the three kids bite it back?
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited December 2007
    We're waiting to hear from the slain Tiger's spokesperson and a representitive from TETH - Tigers for the Ethical Treatment of Humans.
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  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,713
    edited December 2007
    BaggedLancer wrote: »
    My question is why didn't the three kids bite it back?


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  • shadowofnight
    shadowofnight Posts: 2,735
    edited December 2007
    BaggedLancer wrote: »
    My question is why didn't the three kids bite it back?

    Hahaha...thats easy to say ( Hell I have said it myself before many times...until I spent some time with some big cats ) ...but even a little 100 pound leopard will kill your weak human form in seconds. 3 little punks vs a 300 to 400 pound pissed off siberian tiger...not a chance in hell.

    Those cats are amazing in person...tv doesnt do em justice. When I was buying my new house I needed a place to house my huge snakes ( Two 20 foot Reticulated pythons and a 12 foot boa constrictor ) for a few months ( The landlords sold the rental we were in...so we stayed with my wifes mom and dad ).

    The animal sanctuary had all the big cats there, included the biggest lion around that is used by the movie industy. I spent a lot of time there taking care of my snakes, but also getting to know the trainers well and getting to work with the cats.

    Watching them jump in person looks like watching my cat at home jump...only ten fold...and the way they move is awesome in person. That one lion there was so intimidating size wise...you dont realize how weak and low on the food chain humans really are without those 2 things that keep us on top ( Brains and technology ) ..we are just about every predators playtoy if we were to be dropped naked in any habitat on this earth :)

    If those 3 guys were teasing those cats ....probably getting right up and over the small fence leading to the 20 foot wall...throwing crap...etc. I can see that huge female tiger finding a way out of the enclosure...maybe not directly over the 15 foot moat and over the 20 foot wall...but maybe bouncing along side the enclosure and leaping up and over that way somehow. Watching my cat do the same to clear the 7 foot backyard fence its totally believable.

    I had no problems whatsoever with the huge cats at that sanctuary...getting to wrestle with them...feed them...etc was so cool ...something I will never forget. Now, I did have a problem with one of the smaller cats though...yup...that 100 pound female african leopard...they warned me that she did not like large males...she had been aggressive in the past with large males. I told them every animal loved me...I wanted to see her. Well they brought her out for her walk and I was already standing there...she was fine until I tried to talk to her...then she made it clear she didnt like me...I only needed one hint.

    I hope the 2 that lived fess up to what really happened....they wont of course....lawyers will tell them to shut up and get money in da bank.
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited December 2007
    I always wondered how a feral person would fare against some of the smaller "predators" we find so fearful. A 300 pound tiger is one thing, but say an 80-pound vicious dog. If one attacks a human, you imagine the human just laying on its back getting its throat cut, but if we weren't so "civilized", I really wonder if we could take them. We didn't get to the top of the food chain for nothing, after all...
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited December 2007
    bobman1235 wrote: »
    I always wondered how a feral person would fare against some of the smaller "predators" we find so fearful. A 300 pound tiger is one thing, but say an 80-pound vicious dog. If one attacks a human, you imagine the human just laying on its back getting its throat cut, but if we weren't so "civilized", I really wonder if we could take them. We didn't get to the top of the food chain for nothing, after all...

    That's because we developed tools and weapons. On our own, we are toast.
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited December 2007
    bobman1235 wrote: »
    I always wondered how a feral person would fare against some of the smaller "predators" we find so fearful. A 300 pound tiger is one thing, but say an 80-pound vicious dog. If one attacks a human, you imagine the human just laying on its back getting its throat cut, but if we weren't so "civilized", I really wonder if we could take them. We didn't get to the top of the food chain for nothing, after all...

    As soon as tigers and dogs can craft weapons I will ponder the question. :p
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited December 2007
    Hahaha, I wouldn't bank on any kind of agreeable odds against a lion, tiger, or leopard. But should the need arise, I don't think a dog would take me. Now I may get scratched up a little, though...:p
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  • shadowofnight
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    edited December 2007
    bobman1235 wrote: »
    I always wondered how a feral person would fare against some of the smaller "predators" we find so fearful. A 300 pound tiger is one thing, but say an 80-pound vicious dog. If one attacks a human, you imagine the human just laying on its back getting its throat cut, but if we weren't so "civilized", I really wonder if we could take them. We didn't get to the top of the food chain for nothing, after all...


    Dogs are actually very easy to dispatch....as much as I love them ( More then people a lot of the times ) I have had to take on a few big aggressive dogs ....came out ahead every time. Had many come at me...only 2 actually still kept coming after you always stand your ground ...show aggression..and never run. Of those two that still kept coming( A mean **** junkyard dog ( Prob a rot/shepard mix ) as we were taking a shortcut to the creek...and the other was a doberman that was chasing a little girl in my dads neighborhood ) ...both easy to take the fight out of them with a couple of well placed kicks.

    That aint happening with a cat of the same size....you going down :D
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited December 2007
    Am I the only one who is sad they killed the tiger?

    Tigers are killing machines, a cage isn't going to change that. Throwing your leg into the cage is just asking for it.
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited December 2007
    Airplay355 wrote: »
    Am I the only one who is sad they killed the tiger?

    Yes?

    First you say "tigers are killing machines" and someone putting their leg into their cage deserved it, and in the next breath you criticize humans for killing an animal? We're animals too, and much more efficient killing machines than even your tiger friend.
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited December 2007
    Airplay355 wrote: »
    Am I the only one who is sad they killed the tiger?

    Tigers are killing machines, a cage isn't going to change that. Throwing your leg into the cage is just asking for it.

    Of course it's sad, but not as sad as a couple of toddlers getting chewed up by it.

    After reading your post I get the impression you didn't know this thing was running around in a cafe on the zoo grounds....
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited December 2007
    bobman1235 wrote: »
    We're animals too...

    Speak for yourself...
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  • Face
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    edited December 2007
    bobman1235 wrote: »
    I always wondered how a feral person would fare against some of the smaller "predators" we find so fearful. A 300 pound tiger is one thing, but say an 80-pound vicious dog. If one attacks a human, you imagine the human just laying on its back getting its throat cut, but if we weren't so "civilized", I really wonder if we could take them. We didn't get to the top of the food chain for nothing, after all...
    A 80lb dog, depending on the kind of dog, would be tough for the average person. I had a 50lb boxer attack me, I managed to knock it out before it bit me a second time.
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited December 2007
    Demi you are right. I thought it just chewed up the dope who put his leg in the cage. I didn't know it broke out and went around eating toddlers in the zoo cafe.

    bobman I never said he deserved it, I said he asked for it. Different things completely.
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited December 2007
    Early B. wrote: »
    Speak for yourself...

    Well I agree some of you have the mental capacity of plant life, but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited December 2007
    I always assume that the animals, especially the larger range roving animals like tigers, are in a continual state of being pissed off about being locked up just for being tigers. I certainly would not do anything to add to their agitation.

    This is probably the result of some stupid teenage dare. People who taunt these animals or those who engage in innocent attempts to get close enough to try to take a picture with them just do not have a clue of the lightning speed and enormous strength of these animals. I won't even address the fools who stick their hands into cages in order to "pet" or feed the cute fuzzy tigers, bears, whatever.

    So sad.
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited December 2007
    The media keeps saying that the tiger was taunted?!what kind of taunt's are they talking about?
    All I can picture, is a couple clowns from Brooklyn, grabbing their crotch, and yelling
    "Hey, Yo, Tigeeeer, I got ya freedom right HEEEERRRREE!"
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  • BaggedLancer
    BaggedLancer Posts: 6,371
    edited December 2007
    obieone wrote: »
    The media keeps saying that the tiger was taunted?!what kind of taunt's are they talking about?
    All I can picture, is a couple clowns from Brooklyn, grabbing their crotch, and yelling
    "Hey, Yo, Tigeeeer, I got ya freedom right HEEEERRRREE!"

    Reports are saying one of the kids was dangling his legs in the cage and the tiger may have jumped and used his leg to pull itself out of the cage....who knows at this point.
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  • shadowofnight
    shadowofnight Posts: 2,735
    edited December 2007
    BaggedLancer wrote: »
    Reports are saying one of the kids was dangling his legs in the cage and the tiger may have jumped and used his leg to pull itself out of the cage....who knows at this point.

    That sounds most likely by all accounts I am seeing right now...with the bloody shoe in the enclosure. Idiots deserved all they got...
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited December 2007
    Airplay355 wrote: »
    Demi you are right. I thought it just chewed up the dope who put his leg in the cage. I didn't know it broke out and went around eating toddlers in the zoo cafe.

    bobman I never said he deserved it, I said he asked for it. Different things completely.

    Well, it killed a teenager outside of the cage and then was roaming all the way to some cafe at the zoo and mauled some other people. :(

    It didn't get any little kids, fortunately, I was just being dramatic. :o
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited December 2007
    The taunting issue is irrelevant and without pictures or eyewitnesses, it's pure speculation. The bottom line is that the tiger somehow got loose and that's the fault of the zoo.
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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited December 2007
    This tiger story reporting is why I hate the so called "NEWS".

    First I heard that a shoe was found in the cage. NOT. Just a foot print on the wall.

    The fence was 20' high. NOT. 12.5'

    There was a 30' moat surrounding the tiger. NOT. When I think of a moat I think it's filled with water. This moat was dry and a good way for the tiger to pick up speed and climb the rocks and jump the fence.

    There are no photos of the tiger cage or fence. Why not?

    The two people that survived have no statement. Why?

    I smell a rat.

    Does anyone else?
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  • shadowofnight
    shadowofnight Posts: 2,735
    edited December 2007
    bikezappa wrote: »
    This tiger story reporting is why I hate the so called "NEWS".

    First I heard that a shoe was found in the cage. NOT. Just a foot print on the wall.

    The fence was 20' high. NOT. 12.5'

    There was a 30' moat surrounding the tiger. NOT. When I think of a moat I think it's filled with water. This moat was dry and a good way for the tiger to pick up speed and climb the rocks and jump the fence.

    There are no photos of the tiger cage or fence. Why not?

    The two people that survived have no statement. Why?

    I smell a rat.

    Does anyone else?


    I think you are right...there are just too many discrepancies following this story. The lawyers wont let the 2 state they were part of any provocation of the animal for obvious reasons....chaching $$$ . The rest is just fubared
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  • Systems
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    edited December 2007
    shadowofnight wrote: »
    ... I needed a place to house my huge snakes ( Two 20 foot Reticulated pythons and a 12 foot boa constrictor ) for a few months...
    WOW Im nervous about getting bit by my ten year old daughters 1' long garter snake ,I could imagine a bite from a Retic that big would be rather nasty:eek:

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    edited December 2007
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    What do you feed them dogs and cats,children?:D[/QUOTE]

    What ever the snake wants.
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  • shadowofnight
    shadowofnight Posts: 2,735
    edited December 2007
    GV#27 wrote: »
    WOW Im nervous about getting bit by my ten year old daughters 1' long garter snake ,I could imagine a bite from a Retic that big would be rather nasty:eek:

    What do you feed them dogs and cats,children?:D

    I raised the boa from birth ( Got the boa at 9 years old..I am 43 now ) ...and got the male and female retics when I was 20 or so. When I bought my new house back in 93, a friend of mine took all 3 snakes ( I had them at an animal sanctuary for a few months while moving ) because my new house didnt have a large enough single room to house them correctly ( Have 3 smaller bedrooms and a big master bedroom in the new house...rental had 3 HUGE rooms other then the Master).

    The other factor was now that I was going to be a home owner , I could have my number one pet love..DOGS..now. And as you jokingly referred to...for the retics the dogs were meal sized so I never wanted that scenario to ever play out accidentally. The snakes were only allowed to roam free ( With me of course ) when my wife and daughter were away from the house.

    As tame as all 3 were...I did have one mishap that was ENTIRELY my own fault...so I can answer what a bite feels like. A teacher at the local high school asked me to film a feeding for them...an easy request. I set up the tripod in the room , pointed the camera at the right side door of the male retics cage ( At the time he was approx 14 or 15 feet long ) and hit record.

    Went and got a rabbit ( Bout a 8 pounder for him at that age/length )..opened door...both retics were tame enough to grab the rabbits out of my hand...well my dumb **** didnt want to be seen on the video tape so instead of lowering the rabbit down in front of the door as usual I kneeled down this ONE time ...and my knee slipped on the hardwood flooring JUST as he was striking to get the rabbit...he got my hand instead :eek:

    Luckily, he let go immediately when he knew it wasnt the rabbit ( I kept some alcohol avail at all times in case this were to happen and they did not let go ) and as you can see on the video...he wasnt even interested in the rabbit for like 5 minutes after that. Totally my fault...not his...makes for a great video though ;) I never sent it to those " When animals attack " type shows because he never really attacked...besides..they would have to bleep out all of the dialog.

    I used to take them one at a time out in the front yard for natural sunlight/exercise/etc ..one time I had the big female retic outside and an old lady was driving by ...saw the snake ..and proceeded to not look back on the road and ran into a parked car.

    Normal food was 20 pound californian meat rabbits and huge roosters for roughage in the diet at the time my friend took them.
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