2009 Corvette ZR1
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I love corvettes and their performance to price ratio. Now they get even better.
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I have no traction on the street as is, I can't imagine what it would be like to drive that on the street."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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I love corvettes and their performance to price ratio.
I believe the '09 ZR1 will be 100k :eek: -
I believe the '09 ZR1 will be 100k :eek:
Yeah... still though, I can't think of any other stock car that pumps out 620bhp for that price. Should be interesting to see how it drives.Lovin that music year after year.
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I have no traction on the street as is, I can't imagine what it would be like to drive that on the street.
19" tires in the front, 20" in the back. Talk about insane.Lovin that music year after year.
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Eh, looks like just another Corvette with fancy wheels and a body kit. I mean yeah, it performs but I'm not really enthralled by it. It just seems like Chevy is following suit with Ford and putting out 9 million different versions of the same car. Kinda like the Mustang.
So is it the Ford guys' turn now to tell Chevy that they couldn't make any power without a supercharger?Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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I'm hoping to go to the Detroit Auto Show next month for work and should see it there. The pics look awesome, and I'm a die-hard Ford guy!
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You can't compare the two. Each Corvette model has at least a 70 HP difference. As for the Mustang, they'd add 10 HP, remove a spoiler, add a cheap gas cap cover, and call it a different model.Eh, looks like just another Corvette with fancy wheels and a body kit. I mean yeah, it performs but I'm not really enthralled by it. It just seems like Chevy is following suit with Ford and putting out 9 million different versions of the same car. Kinda like the Mustang.
So is it the Ford guys' turn now to tell Chevy that they couldn't make any power without a supercharger?
Ford had to add a blower to bring the Mustang from 300ish to 390. In this case it's from 430 to 620. Nice try."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
You can't compare the two. Each Corvette model has at least a 70 HP difference. As for the Mustang, they'd add 10 HP, remove a spoiler, add a cheap gas cap cover, and call it a different model.
Ford had to add a blower to bring the Mustang from 300ish to 390. In this case it's from 430 to 620. Nice try.
The Mustang is only using 4.6L (not counting Shelby's) compared to the Vette's 6.2L +Eaton supercharger in the ZR1 or 7.0L in the Z06. Not a fair comparison by any means... -
I agree. I was comparing the HP increase percentages though."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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I agree. I was comparing the HP increase percentages though.
When you're only dealing with 4.6L, it's hard to get a lot more power out of it. I have a 4.6 DOHC Mach 1 that made around 270ish HP at the wheels when stock. With minor bolt-on's, it around 320 HP at the wheels so it picked up another 50 HP. That required removing the cats, aftermarket cat-back, cold air intake, intake spacer, and a dyno tune. Do those same mods to a 6.0L+ engine, and you'll get even more power-higher percentage of HP return because it's more displacement to begin with.
Ford did about all they could with the 4.6L without resorting to forced induction due to it's limiting engine size. BTW, my little 4.6L has taken my Mach down the 1/4 mile to the tune of 12.78 @ 109 on skinny stock 245/45/17 Goodyears. Not to shabby for a few bolt-ons...:D -
As much as I LOVE corvettes...the real bargain supercar coming up is the Nissan GT-R...just about 500 horses in a small all wheel drive chassis has been eating up the competition in real road tests. I will be mid-40's in a couple of years and that supercar itch is hitting hard right now...and after the first year price gouging ...the msrp of under 70K is looking really good..maybe second or 3rd year model for me
" We know you want the numbers and we're not going to waste your time. Neither is Nissan. Its 2009 GT-R hits 60 mph in 3.3 seconds, quicker than the last Dodge Viper, Corvette Z06 and Porsche 911 Turbo we tested. "
This is unbelievably cool....all wheel drive plus cool electronic control...
"Controlling the Launch
Activating the Nissan GT-R's launch control is a matter of configuring its transmission, dynamics control and damping adjustments properly. The transmission and damping switches must both be set to the R mode and the VDC must be switched off completely by holding the VDC-R button down for a few seconds. Then it's just a matter of pinning the brake with your left foot and wooding the throttle with your right, not unlike the technique used to produce a tire-shredding burnout in that '85 Camaro you drove in high school.
The result, however, is quite different. The computer holds the engine at 4,500 rpm and waits for you to lift your left foot off the brake pedal. When you do the GT-R produces the most crushing acceleration of virtually any production car in the world. Our test was conducted on a fairly low-grip surface that produced lots of rear wheelspin before the GT-R's sophisticated all-wheel-drive system engaged the front wheels and it thundered down the track. Its 3.3-second 0-60-mph run and 11.6 at 120.9 mph performance make the GT-R the quickest car we've ever tested. "The first rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club -
I managed a 13.0 @ 108 stock and a 11.62 @ 114 with bolt ons with my 98 C5.Ford did about all they could with the 4.6L without resorting to forced induction due to it's limiting engine size. BTW, my little 4.6L has taken my Mach down the 1/4 mile to the tune of 12.78 @ 109 on skinny stock 245/45/17 Goodyears. Not to shabby for a few bolt-ons...:D
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I managed a 13.0 @ 108 stock and a 11.62 @ 114 with bolt ons with my 98 C5.
Yep, it's amazing what less weight, wider tires, and more cubes will do for you.... -
You can't compare the two. Each Corvette model has at least a 70 HP difference. As for the Mustang, they'd add 10 HP, remove a spoiler, add a cheap gas cap cover, and call it a different model.
Ford had to add a blower to bring the Mustang from 300ish to 390. In this case it's from 430 to 620. Nice try.
Ah, there it is! I knew it would come out.
I'm not going to get into the pissing contest over power and displacement and such. I really don't care. The arguments are always the same and the brand bigots will argue until their blue in the face.
One thing I gotta point out though is that I never said anything about comparing the power production of either vehicle. All I said was that Chevy is cranking out a buncha different versions of the Corvette just like Ford is cranking out a buncha different versions of the Mustang. The only thing I said about power was in reference to the Chevy Guy argument that Ford had to supercharge the mod motors to make any power and that Chevy didn't have to do that. Yet, viola! There it is! A Chevy with an LS series engine with a big honkin' supercharger on it.
Eat your crow Chevy Guys and stop crying. Ford's flagship supercar will still eat a Corvette for breakfast. I mean what do you expect when it beats up on Ferraris at recess? Then again, so will Dodge's for that matter.:eek:
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I look at the Mustang as a huge performance bargain 30000 for a fully loaded 300 hp car that still scares me to drive? sounds good to me.
however, on the vette side, I look at the base C6 as one of the best performance bargains you can buy new. european exotics might be faster, but not by much (and not all faster), and like 5X as much or more? cmon man. and that ZR1 should crush the exotics for 1/2 the price.
I respect any nice car, brand regardless. I always loved vettes. dad owned 2 of em (C3's)
to me, a car is more than the performance numbers. if a car is faster than mine, then god bless. as long as my car looks good, sounds good, and makes me happy, i'm thrilled.
by the way, Face, a supercharger can very well give the mustang much more than 390 hp, even at the wheels. one of the biggest selling points of the stang is how easy it is to get power out of it.
most stang owners think I am retarded for not simply getting a cold air intake and tune for my car yet. 30+hp in about a 1/2 hr worth of effort (well ...more for me since I am not the most mechanical dude on the planet.
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Really nice looking car but I just couldn't justify spending 100k on a chevy.
Much rather an M5 in that price range....as BMW calls it...a race car for 5(people). -
Ford blew their chance years ago when they made the T-Bird a 4 seater. They didn't think the vette would last. Boy were they ever wrong. Ford & everyone else is still playing catchup. And they're no closer today than they were 50+yrs ago!
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The Saleen Mustang 302 Extreme that you can order now for 08 MY, is 600hp.
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Note to Ford management-BRING BACK THE 5.0!
The 4.6 isn't cutting it."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
sucks2beme wrote: »Note to Ford management-BRING BACK THE 5.0!
The 4.6 isn't cutting it.
Thats not going to happen. The 4.6 could be a nice motor even without the blower if they took advantage of the overhead cam design. They should have that thing redlining at 7000 rpm.Michael
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sucks2beme wrote: »Note to Ford management-BRING BACK THE 5.0!
The 4.6 isn't cutting it.
Uhh, they did.
http://www.fordracingparts.com/jumppages/boss.asp
In more ways than one:
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or the complete engines:
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Thats not going to happen. The 4.6 could be a nice motor even without the blower if they took advantage of the overhead cam design. They should have that thing redlining at 7000 rpm.
The problem with the 4.6 is that it will rev way past 7,000 RPM but for economy and emissions reasons, they choke off the intake system so there isn't enough air to support 7,000+ RPM. Hence you don't get much past 6,000 RPM when they run out of steam. Which is why the respond so well to blowers. Blowers give the airflow needed to make the power but don't need the RPM to do it.
As for the earlier, misinformed comments made about the 390 horse Cobras, it illustrates the point well. The 03-04 Cobras were RATED at 390/390 hp/tq. However, I have seen many lay down 350-370 horses at the wheels on dynoes uncorrected. Corrected numbers put them at the 380-400 horse mark at the wheels. Rated power is break horsepower and the power the engine makes without the accessories and drivetrain to move. Your typical losses there usually amount to a 15-20% drivetrain loss. A 20 horse drop from rated power is less than a 2% drop and completely unheard of. The Cobras are making much more power than 390. Probably closer to 450-460.
The same goes for the 5.4L in both the Lightnings and the Ford GT. The Lightnings are laying down rated power, uncorrected at the wheels. They are pushing closer to 500 horses and almost 600 pound feet themselves because the driveline is much heavier than the Cobra and saps more power. The Ford GT is rated at 550 but I watched one on a dyno put down over 600 horses to the wheels. Yeah, 550 horses my **** Ford! That pig is pushing well over 700! It wouldn't have averaged 213 MPH at Nardo with only 550 horses.
The mod motors are are heavy breathers and will make disgusting power. Most modified Lightnings started out with a computer reprogram, 2lb boost pulley and a cold air intake and netted 70-90 horses on a dyno. JDM can get 70+ horses out of them with just a more aggressive air/fuel tune. They need air and to get that you either gotta boost the hell out of them or spin the hell out of them. Boosting can be done more reliably than high RPM redlines so Ford went the blower route and the aftermarket is running with it. There are supercharger upgrades for the Lightning with superchargers as large as 3.4L of displacement. That's larger than most engines in family cars and those 5.4Ls are still starving for air at the top end.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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The problem with the 4.6 is that it will rev way past 7,000 RPM but for economy and emissions reasons, they choke off the intake system so there isn't enough air to support 7,000+ RPM. Hence you don't get much past 6,000 RPM when they run out of steam. Which is why the respond so well to blowers. Blowers give the airflow needed to make the power but don't need the RPM to do it.
As for the earlier, misinformed comments made about the 390 horse Cobras, it illustrates the point well. The 03-04 Cobras were RATED at 390/390 hp/tq. However, I have seen many lay down 350-370 horses at the wheels on dynoes uncorrected. Corrected numbers put them at the 380-400 horse mark at the wheels. Rated power is break horsepower and the power the engine makes without the accessories and drivetrain to move. Your typical losses there usually amount to a 15-20% drivetrain loss. A 20 horse drop from rated power is less than a 2% drop and completely unheard of. The Cobras are making much more power than 390. Probably closer to 450-460.
The same goes for the 5.4L in both the Lightnings and the Ford GT. The Lightnings are laying down rated power, uncorrected at the wheels. They are pushing closer to 500 horses and almost 600 pound feet themselves because the driveline is much heavier than the Cobra and saps more power. The Ford GT is rated at 550 but I watched one on a dyno put down over 600 horses to the wheels. Yeah, 550 horses my **** Ford! That pig is pushing well over 700! It wouldn't have averaged 213 MPH at Nardo with only 550 horses.
The mod motors are are heavy breathers and will make disgusting power. Most modified Lightnings started out with a computer reprogram, 2lb boost pulley and a cold air intake and netted 70-90 horses on a dyno. JDM can get 70+ horses out of them with just a more aggressive air/fuel tune. They need air and to get that you either gotta boost the hell out of them or spin the hell out of them. Boosting can be done more reliably than high RPM redlines so Ford went the blower route and the aftermarket is running with it. There are supercharger upgrades for the Lightning with superchargers as large as 3.4L of displacement. That's larger than most engines in family cars and those 5.4Ls are still starving for air at the top end.
The 4 valve cars (Cobras & Mach's) love the higher RPM-especially N/A versions. I shift around 6500-6800 RPM at the track and have tapped 7000 a time or too. She loves it -
The Saleen Mustang 302 Extreme that you can order now for 08 MY, is 600hp.
If it only would be nice to drive too. HP is cool but the way the Mustang is I wouldn't buy one.
For $100k I think it's mainly current Corvette owners that would be in the market for the new ZR1, it's just getting too pricey. At that price range people are looking to get more than just mere numbers. -
Chevy Corvette ZR-1 (0-60 3.4 sec. / .98g skidpad) - 100k
Nissan Skyline GT-R (0-60 3.3 sec. / .99g skidpad) -70k
The Vette looks great, and I've been dreaming for the ZR-1's return for over a decade now. I always had a gut feeling that the Z06 was just a transitional champ. That being said, I'll take the GT-R over the ZR1 in a heartbeat. Horsepower/Torque numbers are one thing, but actual track performance is what really matters in the upper echelon of great sportscars. And quite frankly the GT-R beats the ZR-1 in almost every subjective category. Not to mention you save 30k in the process. Both are nice cars, but imo still a no-brainer regarding performance/$.
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Yes it has great power, speed, handling, and techno goodies. But damn it is ugly. Are they taking que's from Volvo design on the interior or what. The whole car looks like a bloated Mits Eclipse, with an old Skyline rear end. Sorry but with all the advances in technology in that car, you would think they would make it look good.
And not to mention, at the end of the day it's still a Nissan. Now dont get me wrong, im a Skyline fan. But in regards to one vs a ZR1, well the ZR1 gets my blood excited, the other looks like a new car for Gran Turismo.
Haha sorry not trying to be negative, just a big vette fan.
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First off do not magazine race the cars.....A great driver will beat the crap out of any magazine posted times....Do not compare the GT-R against the new ZR-1....they are in completely different leagues.....Yes the GT-R is a very impressive car but the ZR-1 will probably destroy every single supercar out there....but we will have to wait till they land in the hands of their owners.Panasonic 50" Plasma + Pioneer 6010
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Aaharvel,
I dont think they have numbers for the ZR1 yet, those might be Z06 numbers (70k+, not 100k)
that ZR1 is going to eat that skyline alive in the top end, although that easy launch thing the skyline has is cool.....almost cheating. thats how it gets the very impressive off the line and acceleration numbers.
couple that with having a better chance of seeing Jesus than getting that skyline at msrp, dealer cost is going to be A **** on those things....might make the markup on the GT500's look like nothing.
still a firm believer in a car being more than the numbers anyway, and I'll take the feel and the styling of the vette over the skyline. it dont look bad, but it doesnt move me.
oh, and you other people stop hating on the stang. the mod motor has plenty pf power to make non lunatics happy. 8k blower installed and I'm conservativly at 450 hp to the wheels. when I need power, its there for me to tap at ANY time
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