My Krell KAV 250a amp has arrived!!!
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pearsall001 wrote: »Let's not jump the gun here. The CJ is no slouch!!! It's gonna be a fun comparison.
You mean you are actually going to make a decision based on your listening experience? Good for you. High marks.Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 * -
hearingimpared wrote: »LOL!!! Not between me and Phil. The only thing we go at it about like Miller Lite commercial is: Digital vs. Analog!
LOL Those were funny threads to read.Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 * -
SCompRacer wrote: »You mean you are actually going to make a decision based on your listening experience? Good for you. High marks.
In my book, that's the only way to do it. What my ears hear provides all the proof I need. Reviews & here say are great but it always comes down to how well you like the sound.
Both the CJ & Krell have their strong points. Now it's up to listening to both for a while to hear which one tickles my fancy. Time will tell."2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
pearsall001 wrote: »In my book, that's the only way to do it. What my ears hear provides all the proof I need. Reviews & here say are great but it always comes down to how well you like the sound.
I couldn't agree more. I'll be looking forward to what you decide stays in the rack.Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 * -
pearsall001 wrote: »Let's not jump the gun here. The CJ is no slouch!!! It's gonna be a fun comparison.
Maybe we need to start a pool!!!
I'm betting on the Krell. Even though the KAV250P is the bottom-end of the krell pre-amps.... it is dead silent. Its only down-fall is that the electronic volume control is a little notchy as the circuitry switches across the resistor ladder. I have never heard ANY sonic influence other than volume coming from the Krell 250P. -
I can't wait to hear these things man. Oh I said that already.
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I think I'm gonna have to make a large pot of coffee for this CJ / Krell shoot out!! Gonna be fun Joe!!
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Give me a date and I'll be there!
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hearingimpared wrote: »Give me a date and I'll be there!
The Krell pre should be here on Thurs. I'll test it out for a bit, then we'll set up a date. Maybe we can it make Stephen's place (for your clamp) the same day so Jesse can make it."2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
Roger that!!!
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Letting your ears decide...that's THE way to go.
Krell makes some really nice gear, but the one thing that earks me with the amps I have heard / auditioned so far is that the sound is almost too clean and un-life like. Clinical if you will. What I would like to know is....are your observations on this particular amp the same? I'm hoping that it is not. I haven't ever heard a Krell in a home situation besides a pre that was sweet sounding, but I'm interested to know about your observations in a real life scenario at home and not in a showroom.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
The original thought was to put the Krell amp in to round out an overly warm rig.
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Letting your ears decide...that's THE way to go.
Krell makes some really nice gear, but the one thing that earks me with the amps I have heard / auditioned so far is that the sound is almost too clean and un-life like. Clinical if you will. What I would like to know is....are your observations on this particular amp the same? I'm hoping that it is not. I haven't ever heard a Krell in a home situation besides a pre that was sweet sounding, but I'm interested to know about your observations in a real life scenario at home and not in a showroom.
Clean and clinical is a very accurate analysis/observation of Krell equipment. -
Now that makes perfect sense. Rock on!hearingimpared wrote: »The original thought was to put the Krell amp in to round out an overly warm rig. ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Letting your ears decide...that's THE way to go.
Krell makes some really nice gear, but the one thing that earks me with the amps I have heard / auditioned so far is that the sound is almost too clean and un-life like. Clinical if you will. What I would like to know is....are your observations on this particular amp the same? I'm hoping that it is not. I haven't ever heard a Krell in a home situation besides a pre that was sweet sounding, but I'm interested to know about your observations in a real life scenario at home and not in a showroom.
So far my listening hasn't been that extensive, but I really like what I'm hearing so far. It kind of reminds me of a lion in wait for an antelope to cross it's path. It pounces with tons of power, doesn't play around & gets the job done in a hurry. Pretty much like music passages, just waiting to be pounced on, where you & need a beast to bring them to submission. With a loud roar it's over & then they're as loveable as can be.
That's the Krell, crazy power, finess & delicate to my ears. Music is reproduced with authority & respect. I'm liking it !!!"2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
If you've been following this thread, you know that I just picked up the Krell KAV 250a amp from venomclan. Then my curiousity got the best of me & I had to go for venom's matching KAV 250p preamp.
Now I'm presently running a CJ tube pre whick sounds incredible with the Krell. From what I've been told the Krell amp & preamp, since they both are balanced units will sound better than the CJ.
That might be true (the Krell pre is due on Thurs, 12/13) but I won't know until I get them both up & running for a head to head comparison.
All I can say for now is that the music from my system has me smiling from ear to ear. This Krell is just so much more than I expected. Now if the Krell pre performs better than the CJ...well then I'd even be more suprised. Time will tell."2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
Nice man,can't wait to hear your impressions of the two together.I don't know why Jeremy parted with them,but if it works for you,thats great.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
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I don't know why Jeremy parted with them,but if it works for you,thats great.
I needed the fundage for a BOSE Lifestyle system. -
I'm waiting for your review in a couple of days.
I've heard the CJ stuff, but sadly haven't heard
the Krell. My guess is the CJ will be smoother and forgiving,
while the Krell delivers it as is and with authority.
What if you love both of them???????"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
I would describe the Krell pre-amp as "getting out of the way of the music".
It doesn't alter the sound character at all. Very close to a "straight wire" sound.
What the Krell pre-amp does well is fully engage the Krell AMP and (using a car analogy) gets it to fire on all 8-cylinders.
Please, when you do your review, make certain that you are using the XLR inputs/outputs between the KAV250P and the KAV250A. If you don't use balanced cables, you will not see the benefit. -
Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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I would describe the Krell pre-amp as "getting out of the way of the music".
It doesn't alter the sound character at all. Very close to a "straight wire" sound.
What the Krell pre-amp does well is fully engage the Krell AMP and (using a car analogy) gets it to fire on all 8-cylinders.
Please, when you do your review, make certain that you are using the XLR inputs/outputs between the KAV250P and the KAV250A. If you don't use balanced cables, you will not see the benefit.
Balanced cables on the Krell will be used to see how it compares to the CJ using single ended cables."2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
pearsall001 wrote: »Balanced cables on the Krell will be used to see how it compares to the CJ using single ended cables.
Uh oh say goodbye to the CJ!!! -
hearingimpared wrote: »Uh oh say goodbye to the CJ!!!
Not so fast there big guy,though the Krell combo is awesome in it's own right,it still is not for everyone.The CJ may bring the warmth that is needed.We shall see.For me personally,the Krell combo sounds good but lacks the warmth and bloom in the mids.But who knows,the man may like it.Just like we never thought you'd dable in digital.:)HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
I'll never understand why people prefer a sound with color/warmth over accuracy.
I guess the visual equivalent would be wearing a pair of sun-glasses because you don't like the glare at mid-day. The problem is that (with audio equipment), you are now committed to wearing sunglasses even at night.
I'll squint during the day knowing that I'll see better at night. I want all the information possible delivered to my ears/brain by the sound system. If, at that point, the sound needs altered, I'll skip the separate system and just run it through a plain-old-receiver and adjust the bass/treble tone controls <yuck>. -
Cables don't matterpearsall001 wrote: »Balanced cables on the Krell will be used to see how it compares to the CJ using single ended cables.
;):) Audio: Polk S15 * Polk S35 * Polk S10 * SVS SB-1000 Pro
HT: Samsung QN90B * Marantz NR1510 * Panasonic DMP-BDT220 * Roku Ultra LT * APC H10 -
I'll never understand why people prefer a sound with color/warmth over accuracy.
I guess the visual equivalent would be wearing a pair of sun-glasses because you don't like the glare at mid-day. The problem is that (with audio equipment), you are now committed to wearing sunglasses even at night.
I'll squint during the day knowing that I'll see better at night. I want all the information possible delivered to my ears/brain by the sound system. If, at that point, the sound needs altered, I'll skip the separate system and just run it through a plain-old-receiver and adjust the bass/treble tone controls <yuck>.
As always, that synergy thing is in effect. After countless debates on what
music should sound like, let's not go there!
The man will let his ears decide."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
That is what you should ask every person in here that is head over heels about tubes!
Because that is precisely what tubes do in a system. But so long as they like it who are we to say it is wrong?
Listening to music isn't about color/warmth or accuracy, it is about having the music played to each individuals liking.I'll never understand why people prefer a sound with color/warmth over accuracy.
I guess the visual equivalent would be wearing a pair of sun-glasses because you don't like the glare at mid-day. The problem is that (with audio equipment), you are now committed to wearing sunglasses even at night.
I'll squint during the day knowing that I'll see better at night. I want all the information possible delivered to my ears/brain by the sound system. If, at that point, the sound needs altered, I'll skip the separate system and just run it through a plain-old-receiver and adjust the bass/treble tone controls <yuck>.Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2 -
That is what you should ask every person in here that is head over heels about tubes!
Because that is precisely what tubes do in a system. But so long as they like it who are we to say it is wrong?
Listening to music is about color/warmth or accuracy, it is about having the music played to each individuals liking.
Right on the money Cathy. There is no right or wrong way, as to which set up you prefer. The only thing that matters is what's pleasing to your ears. Whether that be, tubes, SS, or a tube/SS hybrid system."2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
That's exactly the way it is. To each its own.
Though in reality, people that still use tubes do so only because they have not heard good SS gear....just saying..._________________________________________________
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