My Krell KAV 250a amp has arrived!!!

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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,601
    edited December 2007
    Ricardo wrote: »
    That's exactly the way it is. To each its own.





























    Though in reality, people that still use tubes do so only because they have not heard good SS gear....just saying...


    Good solid state and good tube gear is still different. Nature of the beast.
    Why do all your posts have that big open blank in the middle????
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited December 2007
    Just messing with tube fans.

    The big open nothing? Just a pause.
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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,601
    edited December 2007
    Ricardo wrote: »
    Just messing with tube fans.

    The big open nothing? Just a pause.

    Quote from a musician:
    Guitar feedback on a SS amp, everybody yells at you.
    Guitar feedback on a tube amp, everyone loves you.
    Like I said, different sounds for different people.
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  • rskarvan
    rskarvan Posts: 2,374
    edited December 2007
    sucks2beme wrote: »
    Quote from a musician:
    Guitar feedback on a SS amp, everybody yells at you.
    Guitar feedback on a tube amp, everyone loves you.
    Like I said, different sounds for different people.

    Ahhh... but the MUSICIAN defines the sound that he wants the listener to hear. That is the difference.
  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited December 2007
    rskarvan wrote: »
    Ahhh... but the MUSICIAN defines the sound that he wants the listener to hear. That is the difference.

    Ha ha ha that would be great but unfortunately the engineer and mixer bring it to you in their shape and size!
  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,497
    edited December 2007
    rskarvan wrote: »
    I'll never understand why people prefer a sound with color/warmth over accuracy.

    Since this post was in response to tony saying the CJ would add warmth, I presume you are saying anything with warmth cannot be accurate in its presentation? We either all do hear differently, or you need more experience listening to various tubed gear.
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  • rskarvan
    rskarvan Posts: 2,374
    edited December 2007
    SCompRacer wrote: »
    Since this post was in response to tony saying the CJ would add warmth, I presume you are saying anything with warmth cannot be accurate in its presentation? We either all do hear differently, or you need more experience listening to various tubed gear.

    Agreed. I have little to no experience with tube gear.
  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited December 2007
    The Tri Vista w/tube pre and sand amp is, in my book, not warm. If anything I would say it is on the cool side of neutral and very detailed.
  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited December 2007
    What IS warmth? I always assumed it was either muted highs or a bit more loudness in the bass/midrange.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited December 2007
    I wouldn't say muted highs. I think warmth in my book is, laid back, less detailed with no leading edges but detailed none-the-less.
  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited December 2007
    sucks2beme wrote: »
    As always, that synergy thing is in effect.
    ...;)
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  • SKsolutions
    SKsolutions Posts: 1,820
    edited December 2007
    Ha ha ha that would be great but unfortunately the engineer and mixer bring it to you in their shape and size!

    Not really. The mic is almost always on the speaker of the cab which plays the combination of guitar, pedal, effects, etc, which are generally under the tight control of the guitarist. The producer may want to play with the sound they've got, once they've got it, but it's signature is has already been defined and recorded.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,963
    edited December 2007
    well I would gather to say if a guitarst has all the control and turns it over to a producer who is going to play with the sound.....then that point is mute.

    Funny to see what you guys consider "warmth"

    Tubes add a weight to the musical notes that make them sound more real,lifelike if you will,and take that cold edge off you sometimes get with SS gear.Though there are some well put together SS stuff where you couldn't tell that it wasn't tubed.All aside,synergy is what the man is going to finally decide on,what we think means squat.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited December 2007
    tonyb wrote: »
    well I would gather to say if a guitarst has all the control and turns it over to a producer who is going to play with the sound.....then that point is mute.

    Funny to see what you guys consider "warmth"

    Tubes add a weight to the musical notes that make them sound more real,lifelike if you will,and take that cold edge off you sometimes get with SS gear.Though there are some well put together SS stuff where you couldn't tell that it wasn't tubed.All aside,synergy is what the man is going to finally decide on,what we think means squat.


    My statement here;

    I wouldn't say muted highs. I think warmth in my book is, laid back, less detailed with no leading edges but detailed none-the-less.

    "but detailed none - the - less," was a bad usage of words. You got it right Tony with the word weight!

    Synergy is why I at first thought that the two Krells combined would shove the CJ right out of the running but listening to Phil's rig again, if the CJ synergizes well with the Krell amp, which I don't see why it wouldn't, with what is ahead of the amp, the amp will round out that rig. We won't know till it's in place.
  • SKsolutions
    SKsolutions Posts: 1,820
    edited December 2007
    I'm always making mute points.

    Warmth is a hard nuance to quantify, and you did as decent a job as I've seen here so far. I look forward to the review.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited December 2007