Woman's sexy outfit raises eyebrows, ire of Southwest flight attendant

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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    edited September 2007
    You know, this politically correct, let's be sensitive to everyone fad has just gone a little too far in my opinion. It's one thing to call people names based on race, creed, color, sex (and I mean male or female) and other things that are beyond their control, i.e. how you were brought into this world. I really don't understand how it applies to people who make unpopular, unusual or unorthodox personal choices, whether it be body piercing and tattooing, green and purple hair, wearing you pants down to your knees, wearing bizarre clothing, cross-dressing, having relationships with dolls, whatever....there's a million things. And I agree nobody should be discriminated against or beat up because of it. Also, I don't think we need to call people names to there face. But in a public forum, an offhand remark (such as fruitcake) about someone else outside of that forum should not be taken offensively. That's how millions of people feel about those of that persuasion. I have tattoos. If someone in a forum said they thought anyone who would do that is a freak I would not be upset. Why?.....because I made the choice to do it knowing that most people think it is foolish or freakish. I don't care what people think. That's the way it should be. If I am going to make an unpopular choice knowing full well that most other people are not going to like it or understand it, then I am going to suck it up like a man. Why?...because I obviously didn't give a damn what they thought when I made the choice. If I walk by and someone says "Oh my god...what an idiot" I'm certainly not going to whine or cry about it.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited September 2007
    Well said.
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    edited September 2007
    Yeah, I figured you'd like it :D I will expect to get beat up though.
    You know, my oldest daughter is ****.....I have no problem with **** people. My problem is with oversensitivity. It's the same thing with this chick suing the airlines. You chose to dress that way....so suck it up.
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited September 2007
    I couldn't agree more as long as you suck it up and respect her right to press this issue until she gets an apology or whatever will make her happy. I'm not saying you have to agree with her or publicly support her. In fact you can call her any name you want but don't attack or call someone names here because they happen to voice support for her.
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  • edbert
    edbert Posts: 1,041
    edited September 2007
    Funny thing is, I saw the interview on the Today show she did with Matt Lauer wearing the same outfit she wore on the plane to show that it wasn't all that bad. They were talking to her just to get the details about the whole incident and then asked her to stand up so everyone could see exactly what she was wearing, the top, skirt, all at once so they could decide if it was inappropriate. Apparently it was a little too revealing though because when she sat back down, they had a very obvious blur between her legs from just about the instant she started to bend her legs until she sat down and crossed her legs. I guess NBC didn't think what she was wearing was appropriate enough to not blur it out like they would actual nudity.

    Understand this, I am not supporting Southwest, love the company, but I think this was a little stupid on their part.

    This was more the ironic situation of going on national television to plead your case about how your clothing was not inappropriate only to get censored on national television because your clothing was not appropriate.
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,624
    edited September 2007
    Did you see anyone crying or whining? You're welcome to your uninformed opinion that everyone who's **** chose to be so and that all **** want to be in skirts and I see you have no problem living with that misinformation. Fortunately, not everyone lives with a 1952 mentality and most know better....

    It makes no sense to throw out the fruitcake comment because it has absolutely nothing to do with anything involving the case involving this girl. Even if the flight attendant was ****, his 'gayness' didn't cause him to complain. What if the FA was black.....did his blackness cause him to complain? (i'm almost afraid to ask you that)

    It's not politically correctness that you're upset about....it's that someone objects to overt stupidity in making comments that you'd expect out of a MAYBE middle grade kid.

    At least be clear what you have a problem with............
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  • PolkWannabie
    PolkWannabie Posts: 2,763
    edited September 2007
    dragon1952 wrote: »
    ... But in a public forum, an offhand remark (such as fruitcake) about someone else outside of that forum should not be taken offensively. That's how millions of people feel about those of that persuasion ... I have tattoos ...
    Unlike whether or not one CHOOSES to have a tatoo, most would contend that sexual preference was never really a matter of choice ... I don't recall ever CHOOSING to be heterosexual ... Do you ?
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    edited September 2007
    brettw22 wrote: »
    Did you see anyone crying or whining?

    Yes.


    brettw22 wrote: »
    and that all **** want to be in skirts and I see you have no problem living with that misinformation.

    Never said that at all.
    brettw22 wrote: »
    What if the FA was black.....did his blackness cause him to complain? (i'm almost afraid to ask you that)

    It depends....was the black FA ****?

    brettw22 wrote: »
    It's not politically correctness that you're upset about

    You're exactly right...I said clearly it was 'oversenitivity' I was upset about.
    brettw22 wrote: »
    At least be clear what you have a problem with............

    Umm...OK.... how about "OVERSENSITIVITY" :rolleyes:
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    edited September 2007
    PolkWannabie wrote: »
    Unlike whether or not one CHOOSES to have a tatoo, most would contend that sexual preference was never really a matter of choice ... I don't recall ever CHOOSING to be heterosexual ... Do you ?

    No....I believe that choice was made at a much higher level.
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,624
    edited September 2007
    Not everyone came out of the stone age unscathed.......
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  • PolkWannabie
    PolkWannabie Posts: 2,763
    edited September 2007
    dragon1952 wrote: »
    No....I believe that choice was made at a much higher level.
    I think the same can be said for your apparent lack of logical thought ...
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    edited September 2007
    It's not 'lack of logical thought', it's called the other side of the coin. Or one side of the coin anyway. Same as religion....everyone's got their own views and everyone thinks they are right and everyone else is stupid. I think you are wrong, you think I am wrong and there are probably millions of others that think we are both wrong. The world would be a much more peaceful place if everyone realized this and just got over it instead of trying to 'change' everyone to their opinion.
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,624
    edited September 2007
    No one asked you to change your opinion.........but if you believe that every **** person in the world is **** by choice, then you've chosen ignorance over anything else.........
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited September 2007
    brettw22 wrote: »
    Not everyone came out of the stone age unscathed.......
    I guess most of us didn't. Otherwise, we'd be extinct.
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  • PolkWannabie
    PolkWannabie Posts: 2,763
    edited September 2007
    dragon1952 wrote: »
    It's not 'lack of logical thought', it's called the other side of the coin. Or one side of the coin anyway.
    It's not ? If there was no personal choice in being **** or straight then why bash someone for something they had no control over ?
    Same as religion....everyone's got their own views and everyone thinks they are right and everyone else is stupid.
    It's nothing like religion where again it was a matter of choice ...
    The world would be a much more peaceful place if everyone realized this and just got over it instead of trying to 'change' everyone to their opinion.
    Got over what ? ... The personal attacks ?
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited September 2007
    ND13 wrote: »
    I think there's a fruitcake that has been sent from one family member to another, for the last 20 odd years. Does anyone ever eat those disgusting things?

    I love fruitcake! Only some kinds though. The ones made with nuts are the best.
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  • BaggedLancer
    BaggedLancer Posts: 6,371
    edited September 2007
    madmax wrote: »
    I love fruitcake! Only some kinds though. The ones made with nuts are the best.
    madmax

    that would be a nutcake....not a fruitcake......now we're talking about 2 different kinds of cakes.....
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited September 2007
    BaggedLancer wrote: »
    that would be a nutcake....not a fruitcake......now we're talking about 2 different kinds of cakes.....

    No, its still a fruitcake. A nutcake doesn't have any fruit in it. A fruitcake with nuts has fruit and nuts.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited September 2007
    From MS Encarta Dictionary
    fruit·cake [ frt kàyk ] (plural fruit·cakes)

    noun

    Definition:

    1. cake with dried fruit in it: a dense cake containing dried fruit such as raisins, currants, and sultanas

    2. somebody irrational: an offensive term for somebody considered to be irrational or out of touch with reality ( insult )

    Brett you took immediately assumed the term was used to describe ****. I don't see anything in that definition that says anything about ****. I have used the terms for years in exactly the way the "insult" is defined.

    The synonyms are "crackpot, nut case, screwball, crank, nut". Again nothing about ****.

    Are you sure this was not a bit of **** "blinders" on your part? When I read the comment I didn't think "****". Whether the poster did or not..no one but the poster knows. I think this is a little of what dragon1952 is referring to. It seems like everything is somehow taken as offensive to someone.

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,440
    edited September 2007
    Fruitcake, crackpot, fruitcake, crackpot......

    Good gawd, they are just words. I get called all kinds of stuff, rolls off my back like water off a duck. Try it, you may find you're happier in life.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • krabby5
    krabby5 Posts: 923
    edited September 2007
    Not that I care either way, but why would someone in their right mind CHOOSE to be ****?

    yes sign me up for a lifestyle where most people don't approve of what I do in the privacy of my own home...I will also have in the back of my mind that I might get my **** beat by some redneck/skinhead if I am walking together with my partner in public

    I also can't get married and enjoy the legal benefits.

    I'm sure there are many more reasons to NOT want to be ****, but I am just posting quickly..

    So Brett, why did you choose to be ****?:D
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 18,980
    edited September 2007
    So we've gone from a scantilly dressed hot blonde with big ta-ta's to a conversation about being ****? Does anybody have any Grey Poupon?

    Damn bunch of fruitcakes!
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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited September 2007
    Another thread to hit the 'Hall of Shame', too bad it turned ****.:)
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    edited September 2007
    "It's not ? If there was no personal choice in being **** or straight then why bash someone for something they had no control over ?"
    Christ, I'm not bashing ****, I'm bashing being oversensitive about the term fruitcake. Good Grief.
    And no, I do not believe it's a choice to be **** in most cases. But there was a 'choice' , as a group, to come out of the closet. And in many cases, almost flaunt it. Once you come out of the closet you are choosing to take what comes with that decision. And if that means being referred to by some as a fruitcake, oh well, don't whine about it. I don't care if anyone is ****..... or anything else. Just don't be a whiner if someone else doesn't necessarily embrace it!
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited September 2007
    treitz3 wrote: »
    So we've gone from a scantilly dressed hot blonde with big ta-ta's to a conversation about being ****? Does anybody have any Grey Poupon?

    Damn bunch of fruitcakes!

    Agreed.

    This thread went from a viagra-induced hard-on to a turtle's head in his shell. Now let's get back on topic -- what's the latest report on the blond bimbo? Is she gonna screw those corporate ****?

    Oops. Am I being politically incorrect? Blondes and corporate types, please don't get overly sensitive. I'm kidding, really, I am...
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited September 2007
    Face wrote: »
    I bet the flight attendant was a fruitcake.
    shack wrote: »
    When I read the comment I didn't think "****".

    shack, I can see you haven't been on too many commercial flights ;)
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited September 2007
    Early B. wrote: »
    I'm kidding, really, I am...

    ...and now you're making fun of baby goats! I'm offended.:D
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  • BaggedLancer
    BaggedLancer Posts: 6,371
    edited September 2007
    If anything i bet the flight attendant was OLD....like 40+, those people seem to care the most about how younger women dress.

    Oops....I didn't mean to offend anyone buy calling him OLD. :eek:


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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    edited September 2007
    Early B. wrote: »
    what's the latest report on the blond bimbo? Is she gonna screw those corporate ****?

    Oops. Am I being politically incorrect?


    Yes, you are.....I happen to be a blonde (we prefer 'blonde' to 'blond'...it sounds so much more cosmopolitan) and I resent it being implied that I'm a bimbo. Take it back or I'm telling.
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,624
    edited September 2007
    Aside from the actual food, I've never heard anyone refer to a person as a fruitcake that wasn't making commentary on someone being ****. Maybe I've just missed all of those conversations that exist where someone calls someone a fruitcake because they opted not to say 'irrational'.........:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    If anyone doesn't want to 'embrace ****' so be it........if you don't want to befriend anyone because of their sexuality that's your choice, but i don't think it's asking too much to say do so without being slanderous........

    anyway............movin on..........
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