Looks like 1yr for Vick.
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ZombiesCuz wrote: »I am definitely not backing down from what I said and I just frankly can't equate the death of a human with the death of an animal, malicious or not. .
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Very smart move on Vicks part. He was facing a superceding indictment on Monday of this week, and on Friday worked a plea with the AUSA.
Please, let's not give the low-life too much credit. His lawyers are the ones who came up with this **** in an effort to salvage whatever part of his pathetic life that was still salvagable.2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones -
I have sat across from "low-life's" that aren't too bright, but when you have that "come to Jesus" moment with them, and you show them a bit of your case, and the time they are looking at if convicted, their perception is often immediately sharpened. You are actually right, the Crim defense attorney's biggest job is to get his client to face that reality. Not too many of them on the federal level are gunning for a court battle, they are there to mitigate the damages.
Perhaps I should have stated it this way. "Smart move on the part of Vick's party." That might be a more accurate statement! "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." George Orwell -
NFL didn't waste any time:
http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pdf/070824/michaelvickletter.pdf
Nike finally dropped him today as well (took 'em long enough to figure out that his image wouldn't exactly sell a lot of shoes...) -
In a (Insert whatever state you chose to, here) State Pen, possibly. Not so much in a Federal Prison. BOP runs a pretty tight ship. Not perfect, for sure, but no backwoods hillbilly operation, that's for sure.
I am sure you meant that kindof tounge-in-cheek anyways.
Nope. No tounge-in-cheek whatsoever. With regard to human nature and its love of money, a federal pen is no different from a state pen...money talks in both of them. It is a well documented fact that rich people can buy U.S. senators, congressmen, federal judges, etc. Certainly, similar financial arrangements can be made with federal correctional institution officials.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
Well this developed into an interesting thread, let's see how many more people have interesting opinions.
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DarqueKnight wrote: »Nope. No tounge-in-cheek whatsoever. With regard to human nature and its love of money, a federal pen is no different from a state pen...money talks in both of them. It is a well documented fact that rich people can buy U.S. senators, congressmen, federal judges, etc. Certainly, similar financial arrangements can be made with federal correctional institution officials.
Well, it certainly seems like you must have more experience with this than I do. I would love to hear more from you about this via PM. It does happen, but not carte blanche. High profile brings high scrutiny, which often limits highjinks. DOJ Office of Inspector General investigates that kind of stuff in Federal Prisons, and I think there are a couple hundred DOJOIG Special Agents, so something must keep them busy.
I have to admit, most of my experience in this area ends at the gates. I have brought people to the gates (figuratively speaking, Marshals handle that obviously), but I have never gone in with them."People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." George Orwell -
Well, it certainly seems like you must have more experience with this than I do. I would love to hear more from you about this via PM. It does happen, but not carte blanche. High profile brings high scrutiny, which often limits highjinks. DOJ Office of Inspector General investigates that kind of stuff in Federal Prisons, and I think there are a couple hundred DOJOIG Special Agents, so something must keep them busy.
I have to admit, most of my experience in this area ends at the gates. I have brought people to the gates (figuratively speaking, Marshals handle that obviously), but I have never gone in with them.
I have no personal experience with bribery and judicial corruption, or even with the criminal justice system. If you are interested in researching this, I would refer you Google as a start. Some keywords to search on are:
1. congressional bribery
2. jucicial bribery
3. federal judicial bribery
I have no quantitative data on the extent and degree of corruption in the judicial and legislative branches of our government. However, empirical data suggests that corruption is more extensive than the numbers of those who are caught and convicted would suggest. Just a couple of examples from the empical data are:
1. People are willing to spend millions and even hundreds of millions of dollars to acquire jobs that pay in the low six figures.
2. The existence of the multi-billion dollar "lobbying" industry. Why is such a thing even allowed to exist? I mean, in theory, legislators exist to serve thier constituents, right? So why should a California corporation be allowed to set up a multi-million dollar lobbying operation in Washington D.C. for the purpose of "taking appointments" with congressmen and senators from (many) other states?
3. Money talks...loudly and well.
I agree that high profile brings high scrutiny, but I do not agree that high profile diminishes highjinks. High profile often equates to high highjinks because the cases often involve wealthy defendants, who can use their money and influence to good advantage. Even more than that, with high profile cases, a lot of what goes on is behind closed doors away from prying eyes, cameras, tape recorders, and the investigatory skills of DOJ special agents.
I am not impressed by the fact that there are a couple hundred DOJOIG special agents. They can only do what their superiors allow them to do. If a DOJ official wants an investigation squashed it will be squashed.
There are cars for rich people and there are cars for everyone else. There are houses for rich people and there are houses for everyone else. Regrettably, there is one style of justice for rich people and there is another style of justice for everyone else.
The mere fact that Mike Vick has confessed and is still being offered a "deal" is interesting and telling.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
DarqueKnight wrote: »...I have no personal experience with bribery and judicial corruption, or even with the criminal justice system...
...I am not impressed by the fact that there are a couple hundred DOJOIG special agents. They can only do what their superiors allow them to do. If a DOJ official wants an investigation squashed it will be squashed.....
The mere fact that Mike Vick has confessed and is still being offered a "deal" is interesting and telling.
I thought you had some good points, but these few statements are "interesting and telling." I can tell you that my years of experience with the Crim Justice system, and having worked public corruption/bribery cases certainly don't make me an expert, but they do give me a certain level of perspective. Based on your earlier assertions I thought you might have similar insight, but that appears not to be the case."People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." George Orwell -
DarqueKnight wrote: »The mere fact that Mike Vick has confessed and is still being offered a "deal" is interesting and telling.
When the prosecution starts fishing for a deal, it usually means they don't have a bullet proof case.
In a high profile case I'd suspect its not a corruption scenario, because the longer the case drags, the more money people involved make (books, exclusive interviews etc..).
Other then that, in our time, justice is a consumer product. whom ever believe different is setting themselves up for some rude awakening."If the global crisis continues, by the end of the year Only two Banks will be operational, the Blood Bank and the Sperm Bank. Then these 2 banks will merge and it will be called 'The Bloody **** Bank'" -
This as most criminal matters comes down to evidence. Did he do it or not. He will admit that yes he did. Now the jury can be excused, let the juristiction enact penalty. As I am not so much a dog lover as I am a cat lover, why don't we impose these sanctions on feline abuse? Just a thought.
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I despise gettingi n the bandwagon, but in this instance, the guy should be strapped by his alls and hung up-side-down for as long as it takes to rip them off, be strung up by his ankles, strung over a fire pit untill his eyebrows are gone, then boil him in acid.
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Oh, oh...did I, we say that?
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Other then that, in our time, justice is a consumer product. whom ever believe different is setting themselves up for some rude awakening.
Total BS.DarqueKnight wrote:The mere fact that Mike Vick has confessed and is still being offered a "deal" is interesting and telling.
In order to accept the deal you must confess to the crime. You can't plea and still maintain innocence."Just because youre offended doesnt mean youre right." - Ricky Gervais
"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase
"Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson -
Total BS.
Hope you'll never need to put this to the test.In order to accept the deal you must confess to the crime. You can't plea and still maintain innocence.
Well, yeah, the allocution is whole point of a plea bargain."If the global crisis continues, by the end of the year Only two Banks will be operational, the Blood Bank and the Sperm Bank. Then these 2 banks will merge and it will be called 'The Bloody **** Bank'" -
In order to accept the deal you must confess to the crime. You can't plea and still maintain innocence.
I understand that. My point was, why was a deal being offered to Vick in the first place? If the case against him was solid, just let him plead, rather than plea bargain, and let justice take its course.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
I can tell you that my years of experience with the Crim Justice system, and having worked public corruption/bribery cases certainly don't make me an expert, but they do give me a certain level of perspective.
It is good to hear from others with different perspectives and experiences. In what capacity/position have you worked with the criminal justice system?Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
DarqueKnight wrote: »I understand that. My point was, why was a deal being offered to Vick in the first place? If the case against him was solid, just let him plead, rather than plea bargain, and let justice take its course.
Because in reality the Feds would rather put all cases to bed ASAP in order to get as many through the system as they can. Any time spent trying Vick is time that can be spent on another case if he cops a plea. It is in their best interest to allow him to plead to lesser charges and potentially less time, regardless of the strength of their case. There must be some incentive for the defendant to plea or else he might as well take his chances on a trial (ie: OJ). The judicial system would crumble under the sheer magnitude if all cases went to trial."Just because youre offended doesnt mean youre right." - Ricky Gervais
"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase
"Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson -
Hope you'll never need to put this to the test.
I know and understand the judicial/legal system very well...from both sides."Just because youre offended doesnt mean youre right." - Ricky Gervais
"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase
"Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson -
The judicial system would crumble under the sheer magnitude if all cases went to trial.
OK. It all makes sense now.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
DarqueKnight wrote: »OK. It all makes sense now.
Most federal cases don't go to trial. Bulletproof cases usually plea out. That is what the agent wants, and definately what the US Attorney's office wants. Some bulletproof cases go to trial, but that is the exception, not the rule. You ought to be able to tell what I do for a living. I am not an attorney, and I don't work for DOJ or FBI. :cool:"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." George Orwell -
I know and understand the judicial/legal system very well...from both sides.
Shack, hopefully both sides meaning Prosecution/Defense, and not target/subject/suspect/perp!
You were right in your analysis, BTW, every AUSA wants a Plea. None want to go to trial. Structuring the indictment the way this AUSA did was smart. In a federal plea, you usually have to plea to a substantive charge, i.e. you usually can't plea to a misdemeanor if indicted on a felony charge. In this case, it allowed Vick to plea to conspiracy, rather than ITAR, RICO, or 18USC1956(a)(1) money laundering. For those who care, conspiracy on the federal sentencing guidelines is a three step reduction from the primary offense level. Plea to conspiracy to commit the act, you spend significantly less time in prison than you do for actually committing the act."People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." George Orwell -
I think it would be hard to get some juries to convict him.
It would depend on where it took place.
Either way, you'll notice him side steppin the whole "gambling"
angle to avoid the NFL's wrath. He sees a return to the game
down the road."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
Guilty from the start...
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AP - A federal judge placed tighter restrictions on Michael Vick on Wednesday after he tested positive for marijuana.
Because of the result, U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson placed special conditions on Vick's release, including restricting him to his home between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. and ordering him to submit to random drug testing.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-vick-marijuana&prov=ap&type=lgns
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the whole vick family is stupid.
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yeah,, you can't fix stupid,,,JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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Arbitrator rules Falcons can recoup nearly $20 million in bonus money paid to Vick
By PAUL NEWBERRY, AP Sports Writer
October 9, 2007
AP - Oct 9, 7:09 pm EDT
ATLANTA (AP) -- Michael Vick has taken another hit -- and this one could cost him nearly $20 million.
Already facing prison time, the disgraced quarterback lost the first round in his financial battle with the Atlanta Falcons when an arbitrator ruled Tuesday that Vick should repay much of the bonus money he got while secretly bankrolling a gruesome dogfighting ring.
The case is far from over. The players' union said it will appeal the ruling by Stephen B. Burbank, a University of Pennsylvania law professor and special master who oversaw last week's arbitration hearing in Philadelphia.
The Falcons argued that Vick, who pleaded guilty to federal charges for his role in the long-running operation, knew he was in violation of the contract when he signed a 10-year, $130 million deal in December 2004.
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Suspended NFL star Michael Vick sentenced to 23 months in prison
By LARRY O'DELL, Associated Press Writer
December 10, 2007
AP - Dec 10, 11:13 am EST
RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- Michael Vick was sentenced to 23 months in prison Monday for his role in a dogfighting conspiracy that involved gambling and killing pit bulls.
The suspended Atlanta Falcons quarterback could have been sentenced up to five years by U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson. Vick, who turned himself in Nov. 19 in anticipation of his sentence, was wearing a black-and-white striped prison suit.
After Vick apologized to the court and his family, Hudson told him: "You need to apologize to the millions of young people who looked up to you."
"Yes, sir," Vick answered.
Vick acknowledged he used "poor judgment" and added, "I'm willing to deal with the consequences and accept responsibility for my actions."
Federal rules governing time off for good behavior could reduce Vick's prison stay by about three months, resulting in a summer 2009 release.
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