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VR3
VR3 Posts: 28,644
edited August 2007 in 2 Channel Audio
2 Ch, Stereo Subwoofers...

Going to be interesting to hear true seperation of bass...

Who has ran stereo subs before?
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  • hoosier21
    hoosier21 Posts: 4,411
    edited August 2007
    I stereo subs, I like it very much. I know bass is non directional, but you can feel which side the bass is coming from.

    Enjoy
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited August 2007
    I have, but they were two different subs.

    Great stereo separation, though.
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited August 2007
    The problem is that you can wind up with nulls at certain frequencies due to cancellation.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited August 2007
    Shall see...

    Going to run a chart to see what the response looks like and will try to correct as needed.

    Any setup tips? Not like I have many placement choices though haha
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  • Serendipity
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    edited August 2007
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    Shall see...

    Going to run a chart to see what the response looks like and will try to correct as needed.

    Any setup tips? Not like I have many placement choices though haha

    I'd try the two stereo subs in the FRONT of the room (to the left and right of the window) and in the REAR of the room w/phase inverted 180deg.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited August 2007
    appadv wrote: »
    I'd try the two stereo subs in the FRONT of the room (to the left and right of the window) and in the REAR of the room w/phase inverted 180deg.
    +1....
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  • jm1
    jm1 Posts: 618
    edited August 2007
    Have a look at this article for setup tips.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited August 2007
    Umm...

    The idea of having subs in the rear of the room is cool...

    But lol - I only have room for two in the front... lol
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  • Shizelbs
    Shizelbs Posts: 7,433
    edited August 2007
    I'd like to try that at some point. Would be interesting.
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  • halo
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    edited August 2007
    MikeC78 had dual SVS Ultra's at the Chicagoland PF. Now THAT was INSANE :eek: :cool: :D
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  • jm1
    jm1 Posts: 618
    edited August 2007
    halo wrote: »
    MikeC78 had dual SVS Ultra's at the Chicagoland PF. Now THAT was INSANE :eek: :cool: :D
    That what I have in my room, two PC-Ultra's. I use an active crossover between the preamp and power amp and have the subs located behind the Dynaudio monitors. Provides amazing results.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited August 2007
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    Umm...

    The idea of having subs in the rear of the room is cool...

    But lol - I only have room for two in the front... lol

    Then you need to get a bigger room...how about the den?
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited August 2007
    appadv wrote: »
    Then you need to get a bigger room...how about the den?


    Agreed. You're probably wasting money with HUGE dual subs in such a small room. You won't be able to truly appreciate how good your system is. The soundstage will be compromised no matter what you do.
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  • Serendipity
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    edited August 2007
    Early B. wrote: »
    You won't be able to truly appreciate how good your system is. The soundstage will be compromised no matter what you do.

    +1

    My system sounded fairly good in a 8.5*10 bedroom and very good in a 12*20 living room, but when I moved it to a larger 21.5*22 room it sounded amazing! Mind blowing is a better way to describe it...

    Why don't you move it to the den so that your family can enjoy the system?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited August 2007
    my family dosnt appreciate it.

    I'll move to a bigger room when I move out.

    Until then, my small room will do. I have components that can be in a large room. Thats all that counts.

    And yes, I know my room dosnt allow my system to shine. ;)
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited August 2007
    Small room is not a problem; I have a 10x13 with big full range speakers and sound is the best I've had. I'm sure the 14 different acoustic panels help though. ;)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited August 2007
    Yeah I definitely gotta add some more acoustic panels, particularly in the front corners.

    Honestly, while my system is big - its not over-bearing in my room. To me its oddly balanced.

    I dont know, I've heard the pluses of having a larger room, much better staging and seperation comes to mind. But right now, I'm going to maximize my room out for what it is, bottom line.

    I guess it comes down to, why buy small things that can't be used in a big room because you are in a small one because when you get to a big room, you will have to buy new stuff... lol
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited August 2007
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    my family dosnt appreciate it.

    I'll move to a bigger room when I move out.

    I thought they did...

    My family really appreciates it; they use the system more than I do.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited August 2007
    Sid,

    I have decided the only thing that is really going to work for you is eight subs.

    You need four for the floor, two front and back to cover the horizontal plane and four, two front and back downfiring from the ceiling to cover the vertical.....now you are covered.

    Get to work.

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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited August 2007
    ..or you could get speakers that don't need subs.

    Just a thought. :D

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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited August 2007
    having so many subs is probally just a phase for me, haha

    However, one plus I like to having subs is the ability to tune it with the EQ's, since I would never put an EQ on my mains.

    But I would love to have a pair of fully full range towers.

    Your AR's were beastly. Bass was absolutely amazing on those.

    I would love to have a subwoofer per channel. So eight subs isnt to far off.

    Have larger subs for the mains, a dedicated sub to each channel, center, surrounds, etc etc

    Then two LFE subs... so that would be 7 subwoofers, go 7.1 --- and have 9 subs

    Granted, I am joking. HAHA

    But still ;)

    Its fun none the less. I love subwoofers. They are just a fun part of the hobby for me.
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited August 2007
    Rock on, Trey....enjoy!

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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited August 2007
    Sid,

    Believe it or not my recommendation actually comes straight from Polk Paul, of course it is about buying product.

    Just last night I juiced the Amazings listening to In the Flesh, those four subs per speaker kick ****.

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  • Music Joe
    Music Joe Posts: 459
    edited August 2007
    I've had 3 different powered towers and 2 passive towers all full range inroom.

    The largest with 500/1000 watt powered 15"s (side firing)always felt like the slab was being tapped with a sledge hammer but, it wasn't part of the mix. With one woofer shut down it still had the same effect ,just less so.
    If the crossover was turned up into the 40hz range double kick drums mixed one left channel and one right had a nice right-left boxing punch effect.
    Set lower and the low octave became disconnected.The mids,the tweeters and even the Carver sourced internal switching amps where really good but the cabinets and 15's is where corners where cut.
    Price point design physics strikes again. 2-3 grand (new)offers many mighty fine almost full rangers but far fewer (new)full rangers.

    I guess I've added nothing really since my example wasn't excellent powered sub pairs vs excellent single.

    I wouldn't want to detract from the one voice aspect of my current fullrangers in a medium sized room. The stage is so stable and coherent, I can turn and move my head a lot yet it all stays in perfect place. I look at the speakers right there yet the sound exsists in various size focused locations all over the the room. The same model speaker in a large room staged better but sounded more anemic in the lows.
    Only the phasey-ist studio effects are diffuse. Again in my medium 2000 cu ft room the lowest bass of the 6/6.5" drivers handle all but the most powerful up loud trip hop,pop,synth, keys ,bombastic levels of big kettle and native drums.
    By shutting the doors I can get more quantity but, the lowest octave pays for it. I'm thinking a fullrange(lower 20's)coupled with one well matched and powerful low distortion sub would be the way to go. Would it give me more dynamics at all volumes w/o destroying the balance I have?

    Towers run sans crossover with the sub taking over where they leave off makes sense to me. A powered unit capable enough to need no boundary enforcement with some nice room matching electronics.

    I would like to try out a Fathom or DD-15. Anyone here hear those in home or in good room conditions?
    I haven't heard any of the expensive top subs in home.

    3 grand could get 2 nice subs but, should be able to get one great one.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited August 2007
    Enjoy! I know you're excited...
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  • engtaz
    engtaz Posts: 7,663
    edited August 2007
    Sid,
    Have you heard of the SubMersive1 by Mark Seaton? If so what your opinion.
    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=759877&page=1&pp=30

    Thanks
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited August 2007
    I have not, I've read alot about it and seems really cool.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited August 2007
    Sounds like a nice sub. Cool.
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  • Music Joe
    Music Joe Posts: 459
    edited August 2007
    engtaz wrote: »
    Sid,
    Have you heard of the SubMersive1 by Mark Seaton? If so what your opinion.
    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=759877&page=1&pp=30

    Thanks

    Thanks, nice link...very interesting read. Bookmarked it and Seatonsound to see if that BMF goes into production or a Submersive in Rosewood markets. The prices look exceptional and Velodyne looks like it's out.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited August 2007
    So - how is it?

    We want pics! :)
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