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BottomFeeder

Well, he did it.

What happens next?

VR3

he gets hit by a bus.

I mean, congrats?

wingnut4772

Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »

he gets hit by a bus.

I mean, congrats?

...and there will be much rejoicing.

KG Audio

Let me offer my perspective...

First off, let me tell you that I was born and raised in San Jose, CA in 1973. I have been a SF Giants fan all my life. I grew up watching, playing, and living baseball. Given that I grew up in Silicon Valley, I grew up playing "Micro League Baseball" on my Apple IIe. I have been a "stat" person all my life so it is no coincidence that I am now an accountant.

Having said all of that, let me now say that what all of you have watched live, watched on ESPN, heard from a friend, etc. is baseball history. Forget all of the other garbage that has not been proven. You all could care less about Barry Bonds before all of this garbage surfaced the past 3-5 years.

I have been watching BB since 1986 with the Pirates...I watched all those playoff games when he sucked it up so bad that he cost the Pirates a trip to the World Series. I cursed the days after the '92 season when the Giants sucked so bad and seemed destined to move to Florida. I was there in '93 when Bonds, Clark, Williams, and Beck (RIP) gave us one of the best seasons in SF ever. I was there in '01 when BB let us forget about 9/11 and broke the all-time season HR record. I was there in '02 when BB finally reached the World Series and dominated on a national stage. And I was there tonight at my house in San Diego watching the Giants on "MLB Extra Innings" as I have been for all the years since I moved from the Bay Area.

So now let me say this...BB is and will be the greatest baseball player all of us will ever see in our lives. If you don't agree, then you just haven't been watching baseball for the past 20 years. No one has ever effected "A" game of baseball than BB has. No manager walks a batter with the bases loaded.

Okay, I will get off my "soap box" now.

"HIGH, DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP, OUTTA HERE!!!" ( Duane Kuiper)

KG

hearingimpared

I disagree with you.

It would be a shame if they let his numbers stand and not Pete Rose's. Bonds doesn't admit his addiction to steroids just like Rose won't admit, at least not this week, to his gambling.

I've watched Bonds his entire career and saw him go from almost scrawny to the hulk. He may have accomplished those things but he won't live long to enjoy it cause his heart is going to explode from all the drugs.

I'll give him this, he has an eye for the ball but all he has to do is make contact with any part of it and the steroids knock it out of the park.

EDIT: You can't get that big that fast without spending 12 hours a day lifting weights. There is no way Barry Bonds worked that hard and played ball at the same time. Look at pics of his dad, he is not a huge man. So where did Barry get his boost from? Sorry, I am not a Bonds basher and don't boo him when he comes to the city I live in but I do just let my eyes tell me what is obvious here.

KG Audio

You may have "watched" him all your life but I'm sure it was on ESPN. Ask any Rose, Gwynn, Ripken, Bonds, McGwire, etc. fan and they will talk about stories, games, memories, etc. that the everyday fan will never understand. Leave the allegations, unproven theories, etc. out of this and you will start to understand what the true fans have been experiencing all these years.

KG

Girl_Addicted

KG Audio wrote: »

You may have "watched" him all your life but I'm sure it was on ESPN. Ask any Rose, Gwynn, Ripken, Bonds, McGwire, etc. fan and they will talk about stories, games, memories, etc. that the everyday fan will never understand. Leave the allegations, unproven theories, etc. out of this and you will start to understand what the true fans have been experiencing all these years.

KG

But that's the thing. You're a fan. Wouldn't your opinion be a little eschewed by personal attachment to the team and the player? No offense.

Whose record can he beat now, by the by?

KG Audio

Girl_Addicted wrote: »

But that's the thing. You're a fan. Wouldn't your opinion be a little eschewed by personal attachment to the team and the player? No offense.

Whose record can he beat now, by the by?

No offense taken "Vr3MxStyler2k3" but go back to your Tylers and Odysseys!!! :cool:

KG

hearingimpared

So I guess you are telling me that I am not a true baseball fan?

I can tell you stories about Pete Rose, I lived him. I can tell you stories about Gwynn I lived him too. Those two guys were really talented true baseball players. What Cal Ripken Jr. did was selfish and just hurt his team especially the last few years. McGuire was a flash in the pan.

BTW I graduated high school in 1973.

Every fan can tell stories about their hometown or neartown favorites. I've never paid any attention to the presses raping of BB or Rose, I've drawn my own conclusions on these issues. As a matter of fact I always hated what the press and the fans of other teams did and do to Rose & BB.

I loved Pete Rose, followed him from the Reds to Philly (my home team) and back to the Reds, sat is ballparks and watched him play in serveral different ballparks in several different cities, but for me to deny that he gambled on baseball as well as his own team would be living in denial. I believe the same applies to Barry Bonds. Again if they let Bonds' numbers stand and allow him into the Hall of Fame and not Pete Rose then there is some major corruption going on in baseball.

KG Audio

hearingimpared wrote: »

So I guess you are telling me that I am not a true baseball fan?

I can tell you stories about Pete Rose, I lived him. I can tell you stories about Gwynn I lived him too. Those two guys were really talented true baseball players. What Cal Ripken Jr. did was selfish and just hurt his team especially the last few years. McGuire was a flash in the pan.

BTW I graduated high school in 1973.

Every fan can tell stories about their hometown or neartown favorites. I've never paid any attention to the presses raping of BB or Rose, I've drawn my own conclusions on these issues. As a matter of fact I always hated what the press and the fans of other teams did and do to Rose & BB.

I loved Pete Rose, followed him from the Reds to Philly (my home team) and back to the Reds, sat is ballparks and watched him play in serveral different ballparks in several different cities, but for me to deny that he gambled on baseball as well as his own team would be living in denial. I believe the same applies to Barry Bonds. Again if they let Bonds' numbers stand and allow him into the Hall of Fame and not Pete Rose then there is some major corruption going on in baseball.

Yeah, Pete is WHITE and Barry is BLACK!!! :eek:

KG Audio

hearingimpared wrote: »

So I guess you are telling me that I am not a true baseball fan?

I can tell you stories about Pete Rose, I lived him. I can tell you stories about Gwynn I lived him too. Those two guys were really talented true baseball players. What Cal Ripken Jr. did was selfish and just hurt his team especially the last few years. McGuire was a flash in the pan.

BTW I graduated high school in 1973.

Every fan can tell stories about their hometown or neartown favorites. I've never paid any attention to the presses raping of BB or Rose, I've drawn my own conclusions on these issues. As a matter of fact I always hated what the press and the fans of other teams did and do to Rose & BB.

I loved Pete Rose, followed him from the Reds to Philly (my home team) and back to the Reds, sat is ballparks and watched him play in serveral different ballparks in several different cities, but for me to deny that he gambled on baseball as well as his own team would be living in denial. I believe the same applies to Barry Bonds. Again if they let Bonds' numbers stand and allow him into the Hall of Fame and not Pete Rose then there is some major corruption going on in baseball.

Actually, I think we are very close to being on the same page. I also grew up liking and wanting to be like the greatest 3B of all-time, Mike Schmidt. I even went to the "Stick" to watch Michael Jack play against my Giants.

I think you are getting away from the "baseball" part of the controversy. Rose, Ripken, Gwynn, Bonds, McGwire, A-Fraud, etc. are all great baseball players and to stray from that is to deny these guys their place in history!!!

KG

hearingimpared

KG Audio wrote: »

Yeah, Pete is WHITE and Barry is BLACK!!! :eek:

Whoa hold on there Bro!

hearingimpared

KG Audio wrote: »

I think you are getting away from the "baseball" part of the controversy.

How so? I think rules are rules. Unfortunately there was no rule about steriods in MLB. Cheating is still cheating. Barry, as great an eye he has, for that little white round thing, coming at him 100 mph and being able to lay a round stick on it, would not be able to take them out if he wasn't HULK strong. I'll tell you this, I don't care how many steriods or how many enhancement drugs a guy takes it is not going to give him the ability to see the ball the way Barry Bonds does, however, I must repeat myself, all he has to do is get a piece of that ball and it's gone. That is the cheating part IMHO.

I think Babe Ruth was a fat guy with girls legs but he was a great baseball player. . . not a great all around athlete, a great baseball player.

KG Audio wrote: »

Rose, Ripken, Gwynn, Bonds, McGwire, A-Fraud, etc. are all great baseball players and to stray from that is to deny these guys their place in history!!!

I agree with all but McGwire. Ripken had his great years but I feel he milked that record and besides, you don't have to be a GREAT baseball player, you have to have stamina, in order to play that many games in a row. . .

m00npie

So... any new A ROD fans out there?


I'll have respect for Barry the day he comes clean says in his voice (which is a cross between Mike Tyson & Tony Gwynn)

"I'm sorry guys, I’m a knucklehead and I cheated. Please consider me for the Hall of Fame for my records prior to 2001”

m00npie

hearingimpared wrote: »

What Cal Ripken Jr. did was selfish and just hurt his team especially the last few years.

Not to stray from the Barry Bashing party, but I was a bit troubled by this quote…

There are many things that brought about the demise of the O's having winning seasons and Cal was not a factor in that. You want to blame someone or something; blame guaranteed contracts and Albert Bell along with Scott Erickson. Angelos publicly stated that he will no longer match the spending of the Yanks after he got burned by these players. Between those two, the O's had what, $15 million a year in players that got injured and never played for the club again. How is it being selfish by showing up everyday to play ball? Cal did not make the lineup everyday, multiple managers did overtime. Blame them or call them selfish.

Besides, that streak, that record, is what started to bring Baseball back from the strike of 94. Who in their right mind would make the decision to stop that from happening? NO ONE! I was very pleased to be apart of that night sitting 3 rows off of 3rd base. Cal, like Gwynn, are true ambassadors to the sport. Sometimes, it’s more than just statistics in this game that makes a great player. This is the reason why someone like Derek Jeter will eventually make the Hall and Mark McGuire never will.

shawn474

KG,
I understand that you're a fan and being involved in sports my entire life, I realize that this record is special. Fact is BB is a punk to the media (probably rightly so). Also, if this was virtually anyone else, the coverage would be mostly positive. Th ereason that his coverage is negative is manyfold:
1. He has never treated the media well.
2. He has been accused of using steroids to break the record.
3. He is in a no win situation taking away the record from a true baseball pioneer in Hank Aaron.

All that being said, he is NOT the best baseball player I have seen in my 33 short years on this earth. Tony Gwynn was by far the best player I have seen (every year that guy would add 20 pounds and 20 points on his BA). Like it or not, A-Rod is stamping his name in the record books and doing it faster than anyone in hostory. AND he did it the right way.

Also, as a lifelong Baltimore Oriole fan, I disagree with the statement that Cal was selfish and it only takes stamina to accomplish his consecutive games streak. To call him selfish is absurd. That, my friends, is one record that I don't think I will ever see broken.

George Grand

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The real ball players (the guys that used to brown bag it to the stadium) are gone.

nhiltzman

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the 1000's are rare. limted few made.
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Demiurge

Here's some advice.

EFF OFF!!!!! :eek:

BaggedLancer

BottomFeeder wrote: »

Well, he did it.

What happens next?

757, that's what's next

BottomFeeder

By the way, I heard on ESPN that if a person takes "the right steroids," they will dramatically improve their EYESIGHT!

The guy's a major league cheater, pure & simple! Why this is debated I will never understand. & KGaudio, BB should be denied his place in history because he doesn't deserve his place in history. He hasn't earned it.

aaharvel

BottomFeeder wrote: »

By the way, I heard on ESPN that if a person takes "the right steroids," they will dramatically improve their EYESIGHT!

The guy's a major league cheater, pure & simple! Why this is debated I will never understand. & KGaudio, BB should be denied his place in history because he doesn't deserve his place in history. He hasn't earned it.

he also doesn't deserve the assumptions you're labeling him with. Last time I checked a jury of his peers hasn't convicted him of anything. He hasn't even failed a drug test. Would I bet my life that he's never done steroids - of course not. I also wouldn't bet my life that no one on here hasn't either. Why can't we just let the investigation conclude - instead of armchair quarterbacks hopping on the latest hate bandwagon.

Like it or not, what Bonds accomplished is a major feat in sports, and I don't even like baseball.

krabby5

hearingimpared wrote: »

I disagree with you.

I'll give him this, he has an eye for the ball but all he has to do is make contact with any part of it and the steroids knock it out of the park.

EDIT: You can't get that big that fast without spending 12 hours a day lifting weights. There is no way Barry Bonds worked that hard and played ball at the same time. Look at pics of his dad, he is not a huge man. So where did Barry get his boost from? Sorry, I am not a Bonds basher and don't boo him when he comes to the city I live in but I do just let my eyes tell me what is obvious here.

wow..he just hits any part of the ball and the steriods take over? I hope you are kidding..:eek:

As far as him getting bigger, he did it over the offseason and showed up for training camp bigger than the previous year..with the aid of drugs? probably..
The use of steroids allow you to recover faster, which allows you to lift more weights..just the act of taking steroids doesnt make you bigger.. barry must have worked his arse off during that offseason..to me the only thing that raises a question, is would he have been able to be that productive once he reached age 39-40 without steroids...they may have lengthened his career enough to pass Hank..

Steroids or not, Barry Bonds is one of the best players ever to play the game..

krabby5

shawn474 wrote: »

KG,
I understand that you're a fan and being involved in sports my entire life, I realize that this record is special. Fact is BB is a punk to the media (probably rightly so). Also, if this was virtually anyone else, the coverage would be mostly positive. Th ereason that his coverage is negative is manyfold:
1. He has never treated the media well.
2. He has been accused of using steroids to break the record.
3. He is in a no win situation taking away the record from a true baseball pioneer in Hank Aaron.

All that being said, he is NOT the best baseball player I have seen in my 33 short years on this earth. Tony Gwynn was by far the best player I have seen (every year that guy would add 20 pounds and 20 points on his BA). Like it or not, A-Rod is stamping his name in the record books and doing it faster than anyone in hostory. AND he did it the right way.

Also, as a lifelong Baltimore Oriole fan, I disagree with the statement that Cal was selfish and it only takes stamina to accomplish his consecutive games streak. To call him selfish is absurd. That, my friends, is one record that I don't think I will ever see broken.

Gwynn may have been the best pure hitter in baseball, but he was far from the best player ever..

zombie boy 2000

Steroids can also significantly shorten a player's career. Just some food for thought.

shack

Bond's record will be broken...and then the next greatest player of all times will take his place.

Demiurge

aaharvel wrote: »

he also doesn't deserve the assumptions you're labeling him with. Last time I checked a jury of his peers hasn't convicted him of anything. He hasn't even failed a drug test. Would I bet my life that he's never done steroids - of course not. I also wouldn't bet my life that no one on here hasn't either. Why can't we just let the investigation conclude - instead of armchair quarterbacks hopping on the latest hate bandwagon.

Like it or not, what Bonds accomplished is a major feat in sports, and I don't even like baseball.

Pete Rose wasn't convicted of anything for which he was kicked out of baseball and held out of the Hall of Fame for, either, what's your point? It was also long before he admitted anything.

Assumptions?

I thought this was already handled in the other thread, but apparently not.

The BALCO chemist testified to giving Barry Bonds & Gary Sheffield "The Clear" -- AKA Steroids. He did not witness them using it. I'm sure it just ended up in the trash, right? Because people just give others illegal substances all the time without requesting them. I mean, c'mon...put 2 & 2 together.

This was all in front of a Grand Jury. Then there is a man claiming innocence admitting to taking substances that may have been steroids, cloaked as something else, unknowingly.

There is no bloody glove. There's no body. There's not going to be any kind of evidence like that, and even if there was I'm not sure any of you would accept it. They're not going to be able to pull a conviction over something they found out about after the fact. Their concern has been for going after the suppliers.

That doesn't mean the MLB shouldn't do anything about it.

Also, couple that with last nights comments after the fact. Curt Shilling & the Rockies Skipper were spot on. Not too often where you get fellow players and managers bashing a guy for cheating on the record like that. Should speak volumes.

jflail2

Honestly, my conversation with a colleague this morning was:

"No way, Bonds hit 756?"

Colleague- "Yea, crazy huh."

me- "Yea......whooptydoo."

Cheater or not, love or hate him, I'd expect all the controversy has ingrained that attitude in more than a few baseball fans. Honestly, I could care less at this point....

But the Yanks are only 5 games back; now that is good news

zombie boy 2000

Oh great...
Bonds and Yankees talk.
I think I'll go poke myself in the eye with a rusty nail:p

Demiurge

Thou Shalt Not Worship False Numbers
July 31, 2007
By: Steve Czaban - Fox Sports


As we get closer to Bonds-a-Palooza, get ready for the incredible let down that is inevitable once the confetti has all fallen. I guarantee that about 3 days after he breaks the record, you are going to have this feeling of: “Gee. Is that all there is now? What was this all about anyway?”

It’ll be the same way a stoner feels 3 days after sleeping out in front of Best Buy to get the latest Madden.

This just in: Hank Aaron will not be forgotten. Not now, not tomorrow, not ever. And Hank will be just fine without technically being the “Home Run Champ.” He isn’t living off card show money where he only gets paid by holding the record.

Aaron endured far worse than Bonds, done more to inspire generations than Bonds, and will live the rest of his post-career life in far greater dignity than Bonds. Aaron can sleep easy at night knowing he won’t be facing charges of perjury, adultery, or tax evasion.

Barry won’t sleep so well. Especially if Greg Anderson gets out of jail and finds out Bonds has sold him out too.

Wait until you see what his team is planning for Bonds this winter. The Giants will spit him out rudely. They will have cashed their cow, sold their luxury suites, and it’s time to move on. Peter McGowan will now actually have to start selling a quality team to come see, not a lab experiment with a shaved head and a scowl.

I actually look forward to the inevitable Bonds declaration that he was “hurt” by this, probably while signing a one-year deal with the Yankees.

Bonds’ record has been as infused with the talk of steroids as his actual body was, circa 2000-2003. The moment will have been tarnished by the absence of Aaron. Remarkable, since it seems that African American athletes will close ranks and defend anybody in their fraternity. Witness Michael Jordan’s taped message via scoreboard video screen when Bonds pulled within one. What was that all about? Was there a MJ-Bonds connection I’ve missed over the years? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a picture of the two men standing together.

Plus, the highlight reels of Bonds in his “moment” will be full of archival footage of Bonds the Pirate. The stark images of a lean and lanky Bonds then, will only deepen the unease about how he looks today.

Above it all, however, is the little discussed fact that worship of numbers is absurd in sports, and especially so in baseball. As if the #’s translate. As if. Please. Some people still revere baseball numbers that pre-date integration. You’ve got the high mound era, the dead ball era, the expansion era, and on and on. You have numbers that were compiled over a 154 game season, vs. 162. Numbers can’t account for inventions like video swing analysis, computer pitch trend analysis, Astroturf, domes, night games, private jet travel, and on and on again.

Hopefully, Bonds finally breaking the record will kick this tired topic of sports radio to the curb once and for all. I mean, think of it, people. Is there anything else to say, about a stupid little number?

Always appreciate Steve's work, and this I also agree with completely.

Demiurge

zombie boy 2000 wrote: »

Oh great...
Bonds and Yankees talk.
I think I'll go poke myself in the eye with a rusty nail:p

Aww, just think of fuzzy little puppies and all will be well!