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John Kruck made an interesting observation. The pitcher who Bonds hit the HR on was suspended in the minors for roids. He said we MLB has singled out Bonds because of the record but that roids was much more pervasive than the commissioner would like to let on.2-channelBelles 22A Pre, Emotiva XPA-2 Gen 2, Marantz SA8005, Pro-Ject RPM-10 Turntable, Pro-Ject Phono Box DS3B, Polk Audio Legend L800's, AudioQuest Cable throughout.
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John Kruck made an interesting observation. The pitcher who Bonds hit the HR on was suspended in the minors for roids. He said we MLB has singled out Bonds because of the record but that roids was much more pervasive than the commissioner would like to let on.
the majority of people already knew that... if they followed baseball.
i don't care anymore... roids or no roids... people are going to find a way to get ahead either way and be hated on.cats.vans.bag... -
Yeah they did, but its the first time I heard a player say it.2-channelBelles 22A Pre, Emotiva XPA-2 Gen 2, Marantz SA8005, Pro-Ject RPM-10 Turntable, Pro-Ject Phono Box DS3B, Polk Audio Legend L800's, AudioQuest Cable throughout.
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With enough training a gorilla could be taught to do that, minus the steroids.
"On deck, #1, Magilla Gorilla!" -
I'm more a Grape Ape man myself....
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George Grand wrote: »With enough training a gorilla could be taught to do that, minus the steroids.
"On deck, #1, Magilla Gorilla!"
With enough steroids, we could have Mr. Peebles batting cleanup.
Test everyone once a month for steroids.
Use some of those profits that MLB is generating, slice off 0.5%, develop a COMPLETE testing system for steroids, human growth hormone, etc and clean up baseball.
"But the 'fans' like seeing the long ball, we have to cater to the fans !".
Well, then, let's not call it MLB.....let's call it by its true name, Major League Roid-o-rama.Sal Palooza -
I want to see how much that ball is going for on Ebay.........(sooner the better if the guy wants to maximize his money).........comment comment comment comment. bitchy.
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We pay them (baseball players) lots and lots of money to entertain us.
People are entertained by home runs.
Does it REALLY matter how he got there?If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
bobman1235 wrote: »We pay them (baseball players) lots and lots of money to entertain us.
People are entertained by home runs.
Does it REALLY matter how he got there?
Uh, yeah. There's no point in having records if it doesn't matter how they obtain them.
Maybe Barry could just catch the pitch with a glove, run out to 2nd base and chuck it over the outfield wall. -
Give me a 1-0 pitcher's duel any day of the week over these ridiculous slugfest's that've become the norm since the strike...
There's so much more to baseball than just going yard on every cut. Hell, the Reds pretty much use this as their team philosophy and have stopped playing "small ball" all-together.
Double switches, sac bunt's, infield shifts, pinch runners. Roid's killed all of that too. All because of bunch of yahoos get "bored" by a game that had entertained for nearly a century on the merits of its strategy and very often on the strength of its pitchers.
Big dumb people like to watch a big dumb man with a big dumb stick drill a ball into the moon. Makes Mongo happy.I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
I think it would be fun for every pitcher facing Bonds to walk him every time he goes to the plate. Walking a batter is "legal", unlike injecting "moo juice in your ****. I think it would be fun to watch the frustration, and maybe a meltdown.Carl
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haha. That would be fun, but it would just be giving the guy way more attention than he deserves.
I'm watching the game on ESPN2HD right now regardless of what I think about the record. -
George Grand wrote: »With enough training a gorilla could be taught to do that, minus the steroids.
"On deck, #1, Magilla Gorilla!"
Oh George, I missed reading all of the pearls of wisdom that you bestow upon this forum...Thanks for the kind words across the way as well...It's been a rough go lately...... -
George Grand wrote: »With enough training a gorilla could be taught to do that, minus the steroids.
"On deck, #1, Magilla Gorilla!"
Thanks big guy,that song is now in my head 'till the am...thanks.
We got a gorilla for sale,Magilla Gorilla for sale............:)HT SYSTEM-
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"Cheaters never prosper!"
Hope / trust it will catch up to Bonds."Wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then." Bob Seger -
BottomFeeder wrote: »"Cheaters never prosper!"
Hope / trust it will catch up to Bonds.
What are you, ten years old? Of course cheaters prosper. The business world is full of 'em, and so is sports. He'll prosper, he already has way more money than 99% of the people on this forum can ever dream of.
If you're religious you can believe that all cheaters will be punished for their sins or whatever, but at least during normal life, they usually do just fine.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
bobman1235 wrote: »What are you, ten years old? Of course cheaters prosper. The business world is full of 'em, and so is sports. He'll prosper, he already has way more money than 99% of the people on this forum can ever dream of.
If you're religious you can believe that all cheaters will be punished for their sins or whatever, but at least during normal life, they usually do just fine.
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I cheated at Chutes and Ladders once...
I cried for days.
I imagine Barry does the same thing every night. But surrounded by hookers and blow.I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
You wouldn't have cried if you made millions of dollars in that chutes and ladders game. that's why Bonds can sleep at night.2-channelBelles 22A Pre, Emotiva XPA-2 Gen 2, Marantz SA8005, Pro-Ject RPM-10 Turntable, Pro-Ject Phono Box DS3B, Polk Audio Legend L800's, AudioQuest Cable throughout.
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I don't know..the more I think about it, the more I am beginning to realize that all of the records broken from the late 90's on, are probably tainted. EVERYBODY was doing steroids..Bonds just happens to be an a$$hole and is going to break the most prized record of all sports..so most people hate on him..
Someone is always going to look for an edge in pro sports..if I was a pro baseball player 5-10 years ago and someone told me that if I took certain drugs, it would greatly enhance my ability, I'm not so sure I would say no..
the better I am, the more money I will make..
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If having a conscience makes me 10, I'm happy to be.
I'm not saying it's right, just saying the idea that cheaters don't prosper is silly. They're not good people, but they certainly prosper. Otherwise, they wouldn't cheat.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
bobman1235 wrote: »I'm not saying it's right, just saying the idea that cheaters don't prosper is silly. They're not good people, but they certainly prosper. Otherwise, they wouldn't cheat.
Bonds was able to prosper by cheating because the MLB looked the other way when it all went down. He'd be making millions even if he didn't cheat, so it's hard to gauge how much he prospered financially from cheating. It's not unheard of to have a 43 year old man that's still able to play ball. The guys, what, an 8 time Golden Glove winner? It's not like smacking a ball out of the park was his sole asset to a team.
Either way, I think the money is besides the point. He has had every intention of breaking records, which was what I think his chief motivation has been.
Barry can say he doesn't care what people think all he'd like, but I'll bet he'll still be having it swimming around in his head long after he takes his last at bat.
In that regards, the saying holds true, anyone with a conscience will never feel good about something they cheated to achieve. All the money in the world can't take guilt away and will likely eat him up if he never comes clean. It's happened before. -
Truth of the matter is I don't care one way or another but has anyone actually PROVED he took steroids...or is it just total assumptions?"Just because youre offended doesnt mean youre right." - Ricky Gervais
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Truth of the matter is I don't care one way or another but has anyone actually PROVED he took steroids...or is it just total assumptions?
He admitted he may have "unknowingly," taken them in his Grand Jury testimony. I don't know why an innocent man would admit to possibly taking something that might have been steroids. Also, during his Grandy Jury testimony it came out that he may have been using an undetectable steroid cream known as 'The Clear'.
It was made known to the players who testified that they were going after suppliers, not the players. So the fact he hasn't been indicted for using steroids is also of no relevance. However, Bonds is being persued for idictment on possible perjury charges due to inconsistencies in his Grandy Jury testimony.
Testing for steroids was blocked by the MLB Players Union during that era, so the hard fact he has never tested positive for them isn't relevant. Nobody had any jurisdiction or authority to test him or anyone else due to the union and threat of strike over the matter.
He will likely never test positive for them. There is overwhelming evidence he took them, and thus his records are tainted in the minds of many baseball fans. This also goes for a slew of other players for which the same can be said.
Also, in court they don't need more proof than has already come out to get a conviction. The point is they're not trying to nail him for steroids. By any standard, Barry Bonds is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
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By any standard, Barry Bonds is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
That IS debatable. By your standards...maybe...but others may disagree. I doubt that in a court of law he could be convicted of taking steroids without some proof of the actual act. (regardless of what he is being investigated for)
There is NO undisputed, substantiated proof that he took steroids. It may be out there, but until someone can prove he did, it is still all speculation.
As I said, I could care less about Bonds specifically. My greater issue is that we as a society have become more accepting of finding guilt without proof...whether in sports or in the court of public opinion (legal talking heads make me sick). It seems more and more we are assuming one is guilty and it is their responsibilty to prove they are not. It's easy to find anyone guilty of something in our speculative minds. I am now and always will be a fan of innocent until PROVEN guilty"Just because youre offended doesnt mean youre right." - Ricky Gervais
"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase
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That IS debatable. By your standards...maybe...but others may disagree. I doubt that in a court of law he could be convicted of taking steroids without some proof of the actual act. (regardless of what he is being investigated for)
There is NO undisputed, substantiated proof that he took steroids. It may be out there, but until someone can prove he did, it is still all speculation.
As I said, I could care less about Bonds specifically. My greater issue is that we as a society have become more accepting of finding guilt without proof...whether in sports or in the court of public opinion (legal talking heads make me sick). It seems more and more we are assuming one is guilty and it is their responsibilty to prove they are not. It's easy to find anyone guilty of something in our speculative minds. I am now and always will be a fan of innocent until PROVEN guilty
It's also debatable by some as to whether O.J. Simpson was guilty or innocent in the court of public opinion, which, whether you like those opinions or not, do matter.
As far as the courts are concerned O.J. Simpson is innocent. As far as the courts are concerned Barry Bonds is also innocent and has not been tried for a crime.
The MLB has an interest in following public opinion on this matter. However, they're completely road blocked by a players union that's only interested in protecting it's members (the players) -- not the sport. It's a double edged sword for the MLB. Do nothing, and the sport is forever tainted in the minds of the public. Do something, and lose millions by not having any product on the field due to a rogue players union.
As far as being a fan of innocent until PROVEN guilty, you openly called for the suspension of Michael Vick from the Falcons in this thread citing that Goodall has no balls. Why should he be suspended when he hasn't been proven guilty?
Your statements don't jive.
Michael Vick is obviously guilty in your mind, the court of public opinion, despite not being proven guilty in a court of law. There's no video of Vick killing dogs that we know of. So, we could play this off as a conspiracy against him until the ends of the earth. Ignoring all of the facts in Bond's case is just as intentionally ignorant as ignoring all of the facts in Vick's case.
I don't recall ever asking for Bonds to be thrown in jail in this thread or any other. I do believe he, and any other cheaters, should be kicked out of the MLB and they should be stripped of all of their records. That won't happen because the players union has the MLB by the balls.
