power conditoners and surge protection

JimBRICK
JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
edited May 2007 in Electronics
I'm looking into something to clean the power coming to my HT. if you had 300 bucks to spend what would you be getting?
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,070
    edited May 2007
    I've been very happy with my Panamax 1000+
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited May 2007
    Belkin PF60
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited May 2007
    A PS Audio product...
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

    "God grooves with tubes."
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  • read-alot
    read-alot Posts: 812
    edited May 2007
    venomclan wrote: »
    Belkin PF60


    I second that vote.

    venom, I think we bought ours at the same time but I don't remember what we paid but it was less than 300 wasn't it?
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  • Polkitup2
    Polkitup2 Posts: 1,623
    edited May 2007
    PF60, I got one, I like it. Cheap.
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  • Polkitup2
    Polkitup2 Posts: 1,623
    edited May 2007
    $246.45 shipped, www.chumbo.com, that's where I bought mine.
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  • sickicw
    sickicw Posts: 456
    edited May 2007
    JimBRICK wrote: »
    I'm looking into something to clean the power coming to my HT. if you had 300 bucks to spend what would you be getting?

    Forget about the conditioners. Hire an electrician to install one or two 20 amp dedicated circuits.
    Speakers: LSi9 x 2, LSic, LSiFX x 2, Velodyne HGS-15
    Amps & Power: Rockford Fosgate T8004 x 3, Cascade Audio APS-55 power supplies x 5, and 1 farad capacitor.
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited May 2007
    read-alot wrote: »
    I second that vote.

    venom, I think we bought ours at the same time but I don't remember what we paid but it was less than 300 wasn't it?

    I think I paid $225 shipped last year. I like it a lot. I saw more of an improvement than heard one. I second the recommendation of getting dedicated lines. The PF60 will only work off of a 15 amp circuit. I will get a few of those and then run everything off of it.

    I recently had a ground loop problem through my cable tv line. I ran it through the PF60 and problem solved. Right there paid its price for admission with me.
    V
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited May 2007
    They were running one of these at Polkfest and I was very impressed with the sound considering the amps and everything plugged into it. For the price, it seems like a very good deal.

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • dane_peterson
    dane_peterson Posts: 1,903
    edited May 2007
    Don't spend over $200 on that PF60. Buy it HERE:
    http://www.shop.com/op/~PureAV_226_132_162_Home_Theater_Power_Console_(PF60)-prod-17087366-23997306?sourceid=3
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited May 2007
    I say definitely get a dedicated outlet before you get a conditioner as well. After that, if you still want a conditioner check out the Shunyata products. You can hook up your amp and pre or AVR on 2 outlet Hydra or Guardian in your price range used.
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited May 2007
    Has anyone used the Belkin PF60 and if so - what did you think of it? (any improvement? Did you use it with an amplifier and if so, did you notice any degridation of the sound?)

    Thanks,

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • JimBRICK
    JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
    edited May 2007
    thanks for the ideas guys I think I have some researching to do
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    Under construction
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  • schwarcw
    schwarcw Posts: 7,341
    edited May 2007
    What I find interesting about some of the products from Belkin, Monster, Trip Lite, etc. is that you can't upgrade the power cord to their unit. Many of them have **** 18 guage Chinese power cords. I would check out their power cords. Many units do not have remotes or 12 volt triggers.

    PS Audio units have IEC plugs so you can upgrade the power cords. The Shunyata Hydra looked like a cheap unit costing a lot of money. I posted information about a Shunyata dissection Here
    Carl

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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited May 2007
    schwarcw wrote: »
    What I find interesting about some of the products from Belkin, Monster, Trip Lite, etc. is that you can't upgrade the power cord to their unit. Many of them have **** 18 guage Chinese power cords. I would check out their power cords. Many units do not have remotes or 12 volt triggers.
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    I am not sure about the other products, but the power cord on the Belkin PF60 is a firehose. It is really thick. I cannot imagine what power cord would be an upgrade to it, as I have not seen any aftermarket cords as thick.
    V
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited May 2007
    McLoki wrote: »
    Has anyone used the Belkin PF60 and if so - what did you think of it? (any improvement? Did you use it with an amplifier and if so, did you notice any degridation of the sound?)

    Thanks,
    Michael

    Yes, see my above posts. I use all my gear listed below + a 36" crt through it and have no problems. Video improvment was the biggest difference.
    V
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  • schwarcw
    schwarcw Posts: 7,341
    edited May 2007
    venomclan wrote: »
    I am not sure about the other products, but the power cord on the Belkin PF60 is a firehose. It is really thick. I cannot imagine what power cord would be an upgrade to it, as I have not seen any aftermarket cords as thick.
    V


    It's hard to tell from the pic's venomclan. The spec's show a 12 gauge wire, which is good. Many power cords form Signal, PS Audio, etc. are in the 10 gauge. I'm not saying the cord isn't any good, I'd just like manufacturer's to make upgrading the cord possible without removing the old and soldering in the new.

    The display shows a "Remote" status, does it have a remote. This thing looks like it's selling for $160!!!:eek: It could be a great buy!

    Carl
    Carl

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  • schwarcw
    schwarcw Posts: 7,341
    edited May 2007
    dane_peterson wrote: »
    Don't spend over $200 on that PF60. Buy it HERE:
    http://www.shop.com/op/~PureAV_226_132_162_Home_Theater_Power_Console_(PF60)-prod-17087366-23997306?sourceid=3


    The PF30 is less than $90 at the Chumbo.com site:eek:

    Carl
    Carl

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  • JimBRICK
    JimBRICK Posts: 1,543
    edited May 2007
    wingnut4772 wrote: »
    I say definitely get a dedicated outlet before you get a conditioner as well. After that, if you still want a conditioner check out the Shunyata products. You can hook up your amp and pre or AVR on 2 outlet Hydra or Guardian in your price range used.

    anything you say:cool:

    just dont shoot me
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,516
    edited May 2007
    Tripp Lite LCR2400


    I don't know about the others, but the LCR2400 has a fixed 12 gauge power cord and is rated at 20 amps. I have everthing plugged into it. My ESL speakers, both amps, source, pre amp, power supplies and turntable. The system can play at insane levels. I can crank the volume knob full clockwise on the pre amp with no music playing (including the 68dB gain MC phono stage) and the system is DEAD QUIET. No hum, no hiss, and no grounds lifted.
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  • dane_peterson
    dane_peterson Posts: 1,903
    edited May 2007
    schwarcw wrote: »
    The PF30 is less than $90 at the Chumbo.com site:eek:

    Carl

    The PF30 is a decent step down from the PF60 though.
    That being said, I used to have the PF30 and liked it a lot. Then I got my DefTech towers and needed more outlets, so I got the monster.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,249
    edited May 2007
    I agree with getting a dedicated 20 amp line installed with audio grade outlets to start out with. I speak from experience. I purchased a Monster Power HTS1600 and yeilded severe degredation of sound from my PSW1000 sub and no difference other than that to audio. I also have purchased a Richard Grey Pro400 power supply/conditioner. I have tried them both daisy chained and separated and my original noise of an unwanted noise at a specific frequency still exists. So my point is......after blowing 1200 smackers to eliminate this noise caused by dirty A/C, I still need to go back to the drawing board and install a dedicated 20 amp line.

    I should have started there first. Hopefully you won't make the same mistake I did.
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited May 2007
    Do we have any electricians or contractors on the forum? What is the approximate cost of installing a dedicated 20 amp line? What benefits can be expected?

    Thanks.
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

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  • dudeinaroom
    dudeinaroom Posts: 3,609
    edited May 2007
    Panamax, Belkin Tripplite are all good choices, I could not coment Monster. I personally like tripplite. If you are just looking to get rid of noise, Belkin makes a few good power bars with filtration inthe 50-80 dollar range, also Tripplite makes an "iso-bar that does really well.
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  • schwarcw
    schwarcw Posts: 7,341
    edited May 2007
    SCompRacer wrote: »
    I don't know about the others, but the LCR2400 has a fixed 12 gauge power cord and is rated at 20 amps. I have everthing plugged into it. My ESL speakers, both amps, source, pre amp, power supplies and turntable. The system can play at insane levels. I can crank the volume knob full clockwise on the pre amp with no music playing (including the 68dB gain MC phono stage) and the system is DEAD QUIET. No hum, no hiss, and no grounds lifted.

    Just watch out for the occasional flash!:eek: Don't touch those panels!:D
    Carl

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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited May 2007
    schwarcw wrote: »
    Just watch out for the occasional flash!:eek: Don't touch those panels!:D

    For the record - that was with the Cinepro bridged.

    Also with my Cinepro I get a faint buzz from the speakers even with the ground lifted. (without the ground lifted, it is a loud buzz that cannot be ignored) At PolkFest plugged into the LCR2400 the Cinepro was cranking when bi-amped to very loud levels and with the ground engaged - was dead silent when the source was not playing (even at full volume). The difference was night and day.

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,516
    edited May 2007
    I wish someone could have snapped a pic of that flash! Talk about turning lemons into lemonade. Roger (Sanders) said that we successfully demonstrated how durable his panel design is....:D
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  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,616
    edited May 2007
    I have an APC H10 available & IIRC, it has a removable PC. If interested send me a pm.

    yup - power cord is removable but the supplied / stock cord is very thick

    I had everything connected to it but all my equipment is black (the APC is silver) so I'm no longer using it.
    Audio: Polk S15 * Polk S35 * Polk S10 * SVS SB-1000 Pro
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  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,616
    edited May 2007
    SCompRacer wrote: »
    I wish someone could have snapped a pic of that flash!
    That would've been too :cool:

    That arc went from the bottom to the top of the panel - like a backwards bolt of lightning :eek:
    Audio: Polk S15 * Polk S35 * Polk S10 * SVS SB-1000 Pro
    HT: Samsung QN90B * Marantz NR1510 * Panasonic DMP-BDT220 * Roku Ultra LT * APC H10
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