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Record holders="outliers" in the world of statistics...
And its only April folks, no need to start digging a pinstriped grave yet.2007 Club Polk Football Pool Champ
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As is customary, I'm pulling for the Brooklyn Dodgers in the '07 Fall Classic.
I don't follow baseball anymore. The Yanks are in the cellar? Tough ****. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of playboys and posers. -
Derek Jeter drinks wine coolers.
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Derek Jeter drinks wine coolers.
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So THAT'S why his lips are purple.If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
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"....and nobody hates the Yankees more than I"
Troy, with all due respect, when I learned to despise the New York Yankees, your future parents had not been introduced to one another. -
I will defer to your age and wisdom, my good man.
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Looks like the Spankees' knight in shining armor got sent home with a juice box and a lifetime supply of turtle wax.
I wonder what Plan Z is?I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
This is great company I find myself in.
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No... check that.
Got sent home with a juice box, lifetime supply of TW, and a torn hammy.
Is Charlie Hough still available?I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
zombie boy 2000
Ill be sure to bring this thread back in September. Will you continue to bash them when they are on top of the AL East or leading the Wild card race? Just tell me, what is it that really bothers you about them?
Do you have a legitimate reason or are you in the same class of individuals that hate Bush but can't explain why they hate him. Im not sure who your team is but based on your comments about the Yankees and the players, I would guess Boston, another team in AL East or a Mets fan. As a fan of baseball & a Yankees fan, I dont hate Boston. In fact, I want Boston to make it to the play-offs as much as I do the Yankees. To see them meet in the ALCS, win or lose, it makes for an exciting series that surpasses any World Series match-up in this decade with the exception of the 2000 series. -
Whoa, whoa, whoa...
slow your roll jelly-roll. No need to get political. Just havin' a bit of jolly good fun.
Would you believe me if I told you I hate the Toledo Mud Hens even more?
As I've mentioned numerous times, the Bravos have (and always will be) my team. Not the Boston Braves. Or the Boston Beaneaters.
The HOtlanta Braves.
"same class of individuals who hate Bush, but can't explain it...."
eeesh
The Great Swami has me pegged.I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
zombie boy 2000
I’ll be sure to bring this thread back in September. Will you continue to bash them when they are on top of the AL East or leading the Wild card race? Just tell me, what is it that really bothers you about them?
Do you have a legitimate reason or are you in the same class of individuals that hate Bush but can't explain why they hate him. I’m not sure who your team is but based on your comments about the Yankees and the players, I would guess Boston, another team in AL East or a Mets fan. As a fan of baseball & a Yankees fan, I don’t hate Boston. In fact, I want Boston to make it to the play-offs as much as I do the Yankees. To see them meet in the ALCS, win or lose, it makes for an exciting series that surpasses any World Series match-up in this decade with the exception of the 2000 series.
I can tell you why I don't like them ...They buy their lineup...If they are in need of a position, they can just spend as much as they want to get him..
Without some sort of salary cap, MLB is a joke.. most other teams have much less room for error when developing their team..
How is it ok that one team can spend 200 mil a year on a team and another team spends 24 mil?
In fact the Yankees' 2006 payroll was more than the bottom 5 teams put together...dumb....you need a cap AND a minimum
but Steinbrenner has too much pull for that to ever change..
you say you're a fan of baseball, but that's easy to say when you are a Yankees fan..try following the Devilrays or Royals every year...the world doesn't revolve around New York and BostonPioneer Elite VSX-53, Polk RT800i fronts, Polk CS400i center, FX500i surround, Velodyne sub -
I agree, they should have a legitimate salary cap, the contracts should not be guaranteed but taking it out on the Yankees is pointing in the wrong direction. You need to get pissed off at MLB and the players union. If you hate the Yankees, then you better hate Boston as well because they are very close to the Yankees in payroll... How much did Boston pay just to have the rights to negotiate with one pitcher.... was it more than the Oaklands payroll? I think it was.
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You give Steinbrenner way too much credit. It's the Player's union and only the player's union that is against a legitimate salary cap. The only way to fix this mess is to eliminate the guaranteed contracts. Period! Once that occurs, the owners of clubs such as the Royals and the Devil Rays will be willing to take a greater risk in signing big money players knowing that if their big money player turns out to be an Albert Bell after the first season, theyll get their 80 million back. Albert Bell single handedly eliminated the Orioles willingness to go after any big talent for this very reason. Peter Angelos, majority owner of the Os, has the money, but will not enter the arms race after getting stuck with Bells contract
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As a fan of baseball & a Yankees fan, I don’t hate Boston. In fact, I want Boston to make it to the play-offs as much as I do the Yankees. To see them meet in the ALCS, win or lose, it makes for an exciting series that surpasses any World Series match-up in this decade with the exception of the 2000 series.
You paint a rosy picture here, but does it really sit that well with you when the BoSox take 5 of 6 in two "well-fought series". Is it really all about theater? I have a hard time believing that a fan of any team can thoroughly enjoy defeat. It's the nature of sports to be geared otherwise.
Personally... I feel like retching everytime the Mets hand it to us. No matter how solid the contest.I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
And as for why I hate the Yankees....
besides all the obvious reasons our dear friend Krabby pointed out.
Could it be that every sport simply needs a heel? The Spankees are that heel. Embrace it.
The Lakers had their run a few years back. Duke has been relishing this role for nearly two decades. I hate the Punstripes because I want to. Does that somehow make me Anti-Bush:pI never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
zombie boy 2000 wrote: »You paint a rosy picture here, but does it really sit that well with you when the BoSox take 5 of 6 in two "well-fought series". Is it really all about theater? I have a hard time believing that a fan of any team can thoroughly enjoy defeat. It's the nature of sports to be geared otherwise.
Personally... I feel like retching everytime the Mets hand it to us. No matter how solid the contest.
I'm human with emotions like everyone else and have a great passion for this sport, so of course it does not sit well. But two things to consider: 1.) It's only April, or at least when they played it was. 2.) Its just baseball, no one is dying over it so there is really nothing to retch about. Ever hear the saying it could always be worse... losing 5 of 6 is not nearly as bad as losing 4 straight in the play-offs. Even when that happened in 04, I didn't sulk like a child the next day or weeks after like some Yankee fans did. -
In which case, you're not really the true target of ire from baseball's proletariat. I think what ultimately serves as the proverbial sand in the panties of every non-Crankee fan is the sense of entitlement that Pinstripe nation exudes. And for what reason? A mispent and bloated payroll?
Let's face it... how many on the Yankee squad play with any real passion and fire. Jeter, Posada, Rivera...
The rest are there for the money plain and simple. No matter what lines they feed New Yorkers about their childhood dreams to play in the House that Ruth built.
That's why I love the "home grown" approach the Braves are beginning to enact.I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
I have always liked the Yankees - and I don't care what anyone thinks. I do not follow them all that closely but for some reason I really enjoy watching them. Maybe it is the mystique, maybe it is all the world class players that have passed through there (ok so they were bought to a large degree). But I would like to point out that even though they buy so many talented guys, it is no guarantee of a World Series.
As far as pain goes try being a Pirates fan for a while they are like the farm team for the rest of the league.
Actually I do know why the Yanks are my favorite - 2 words - Lou effin' Gerhig. Since I was in grade school he has been a hero of mine. Then theres DiMaggio, Mantle, Rizzutto, Berra, etc, etc. I also like some of the modern day players like Jeter and Cano. I HATE how the announcers always say its automatic when Rivera comes in .
My favorite series are Yankees vs. Boston (even if the Yanks get beat it is always fun to watch). If that sounds incongruous or sappy - feel free to bill me.
Carl - you are even MORE of a stud than I thought before. I sold a Christmas tree to Lynn Swann when I was a youngster and he was still playing. I remember being struck by how nice he was and how small he seemed to me (I pictured him larger as he was a mighty Steeler!). I too am saddened that he did not win the gubernatorial race in PA. Ken Blackwell did not fare much better in OH.
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zombie boy 2000 wrote: »In which case, you're not really the true target of ire from baseball's proletariat. I think what ultimately serves as the proverbial sand in the panties of every non-Crankee fan is the sense of entitlement that Pinstripe nation exudes. And for what reason? A mispent and bloated payroll?
I cant argue with that, there are too many witless, pompous a-holes that wear the NY hat and\or jersey that can only spout off 26 championships in a debate. But it takes all kinds I guess.zombie boy 2000 wrote: »Let's face it... how many on the Yankee squad play with any real passion and fire. Jeter, Posada, Rivera...
With the exception of Pavano and A-Rod last season, I dont see a lack of fire but then again, I only see 3 games on TV a week on average. What do you base that observation on? Do you have the YES network or the baseball package and watch all of the Yankee games? As for the money, is it only the Yankee players that are in it for the money?
Will Andruw Jones be in it for the money when he asks for a big contract next year? There certainly are players that are only in it for the money that play, have played for the Yankees but all teams have these types.
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Will Andruw Jones be in it for the money when he asks for a big contract next year? There certainly are players that are only in it for the money that play, have played for the Yankees but all teams have these types.
Good riddance Sheffield!
Funny you should say that about Sheffy. We said the exact same thing:D
As far as Andruw Jones is concerned... there's a litmus test if ever there was one. His mouth has been "ATL this, ATL that" ever since his impending free agency took center stage. You're right. We'll see.
Like I said, I like what the Bravos are doing with players like Franceour and McMann. And I really like what they did with the latter's contract. Keep it close to home and good things may follow.
Which reminds me of a great piece Jay Mohr did for SI concerning "true" Yankees and the pretenders.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/jay_mohr/08/03/hot.read/index.htmlI never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
I tire of the salary cap excuse......Funny how noone mentions Boston's salary cap; second only to the Yanks and something like $160M+ this year. Llike Moonpie said, it's up to the players union to loosen their greedy fists a bit and make the league a more balanced place. On the flip side, I have a hard time believing that Steinbrenner is the only owner in the MLB with deep pockets....And for some reason, LA, Boston, Detroit etc all strike me as not exactly small cities.
And Zombie, your theory about the Yankees' players playing for nothing but $$ makes me laugh. Moonpie is exactly right; every team has players that play for the love of the game, and every team also has players who are there for nothing but the $$....2007 Club Polk Football Pool Champ
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I tire of the salary cap excuse......Funny how noone mentions Boston's salary cap; second only to the Yanks and something like $160M+ this year. Llike Moonpie said, it's up to the players union to loosen their greedy fists a bit and make the league a more balanced place. On the flip side, I have a hard time believing that Steinbrenner is the only owner in the MLB with deep pockets....And for some reason, LA, Boston, Detroit etc all strike me as not exactly small cities.
2007 Team Payrolls.
Boston is a little less than 30 million over the Mets, who seem to be about the average for teams in contention.
The Yankees are 45 million more than Boston.
While I agree that the Sox are mostly hypocritical when we complain about the Yanks inflated payroll... they're still in a league of their own when it comes to overpaying.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
How can anyone possibly argue that a lack of salary cap in the MLB isn't a problem?
The MLB has rules that holds everyone on a team to a standard. There's no standard on how much you can pay a player. So, any MLB player with an a shred of brainpower is going to go to the team where he can get the most for his talent. The best players are going to get the most money. That's capitalism.
I'm 100% for capitalism in the real world, however sports are games that rely on close competitiveness to be the most entertaining.
Money can buy championships, but yes, it's not everything. If you don't think that the Yankees won all of those pennants due in great part to the almighty dollar you might want to dump your Kool-Aid out.
Coming from a small market team where we've been basically losing for well over 20 years, I can't help but laugh when Yankees and Sox fans get together and **** about salary. It just makes a low salary team that beats the **** out of the stacked deck teams that much more impressive. -
From memory, the last few WS champions;
Cardinals, Red Sox, Marlins, White Sox, Diamondbacks...
Hardly total dominance by any one team.
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Gregg Easterbrook, aka TMQ, wrote a neat article a while back about parity in the NFL, and comparing it to MLB (NFL has a salary cap, MLB doesn't).Now compare the NFL to the NBA and MLB. The equivalent of finishing at .500 or two games above or below in the current National Basketball Association is to record between 31 and 51 wins. Last season, 20 of the 30 NBA teams fell into that band, 67 percent. The equivalent of finishing at .500 or two games above or below in current Major League Baseball is to win between 61 and 101 games, and last year all MLB teams (100 percent) fell into that band. So in the NFL, which has a hard salary cap that always applies, 67 percent of teams fell in the middle; in the NBA, which has a soft salary cap that only sometimes applies, 67 percent of teams fell in the middle; in MLB, which has no salary cap, 100 percent of teams fell in the middle. Consider that for an MLB team to have finished last season with the equivalent of the 14-2 record compiled by the San Diego Chargers, it would have needed to win 142 games. The winningest MLB clubs of last season, the Mets and Yankees, put up 97 victories.
He also had a breakdown of Super Bowl vs World Series entrants, and there was a greater variation in World Series than Super Bowl in the NFL salary cap era. But I couldn't find that one.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
And Zombie, your theory about the Yankees' players playing for nothing but $$ makes me laugh. Moonpie is exactly right; every team has players that play for the love of the game, and every team also has players who are there for nothing but the $$....
Are you still laughing? Cuz I thought the joke was pretty lame myself. Let me get this straight... the vast majority of overpaid players on the Stanks payroll are there becasue they "love the game":rolleyes:
Would you not think that a disproportionate number of Pinstrippers are chasing the dollar? Or is it that everyone craves the soft, cool climes of the New York media? Or maybe it's the low-cost of living? All money aside... you'd find out real quick who really wants to take their game to the Big Apple. The money is the only leverage.I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
I hate the Yankees just because. I also hate the Lakers (although, to be honest, since Bird retired, I don't really care about the Celtics) and the Canadiens. I am a Boston sports fan, I have been since I was old enough to know better. There is no rhyme, reason or logic to it....it just is.
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zombie boy 2000 wrote: »Are you still laughing? Cuz I thought the joke was pretty lame myself. Let me get this straight... the vast majority of overpaid players on the Stanks payroll are there becasue they "love the game":rolleyes:
Would you not think that a disproportionate number of Pinstrippers are chasing the dollar? Or is it that everyone craves the soft, cool climes of the New York media? Or maybe it's the low-cost of living? All money aside... you'd find out real quick who really wants to take their game to the Big Apple. The money is the only leverage.
Precisely. I don't doubt even the majority of them love the game.
I know I could still love the game for 46 million in New York as opposed to 35 million in say, Milwaukee.
It's a no brainer. That's not to say that Big Stein hasn't overpaid some players and that egos haven't clashed creating negatives for the Yanks, but there's no doubt in the world he stacks his team using money to do it. Really, the only leverage for owners when you compare the big clubs to the small clubs is money.
I could get over East Coast paper tiger attitude if you paid me enough.
