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Just look at society. The majority is not still moral.
And, do two rotten ministers a belief system destroy?
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Demiurge wrote:Kill a woman and you can be Senator until you croak. That's the double standard.
Don't forget that a Dem can be hooked on Crack and hold the position of D.C. Mayor, get fired, and then be voted back into the council years later as a convicted felon. Anyone remember the Greaseman jingle based on his comments when he was arrested? "**** set me up, G##dam, The **** set me up, G##dam"
Oh yeah, and for this decades winner of the Dem's **** Don't Stink Double Standard Award is... Katrina!!!!!
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daniel_paul_ wrote:You are the one that keeps making it partisan. My point was one hipocritical guy going after another. Your point was a Democrate going after a Republican.
Politics is a partisan game.
The point is exactly as James stated.
If your life is going to be destroyed as a Republican having an affair with another person, your life should be destroyed as a Democrat having an affar with another person. Or maybe...lives shouldn't be destroyed, just fair and equal treatment. :eek:
The way it's been, only the Republican gets his life destroyed. They get no support from their base for doing something dumb, and the Democrats will bury them. Democrats don't have to answer for his crimes/sins/misdeeds/mistakes/poor choices. They either have a disease or need rehab and then get awarded for their hardships. Apparently if you have a Jesus sticker on the back of your car you get judged more harshly.
That's the double standard, and it's just the factual reality in this day and age.
The reason? Because you'll buy into it hook line and sinker. You keep talking about the religious right. Why do you infer that being a religious person makes you a scumbag? I know a few vegetarian long haired hippie types that are some pretty nice folks who I don't agree with politically, but I would trust them with my life.
Just because you call yourself a Christian it doesn't make you one. You need to actually practice your teachings. For those of us non-Christians it means that if we break the law we go to jail. We can call ourselves good citizens, but if we screw up we face the consequences. Yours just don't have any relation to God, at least you'd best hope not... -
jdhdiggs wrote:It's because the majority is no longer moral, unfortunately...
Wow that is a broad statement to say the majority is no longer moral???
Are you referring to the dem majority in our house and senate? LOL BTW they are not in the majority by a large amount by any means.
That is so friggin scary though!!!jdhdiggs wrote:Now, all it's about is being a number on a census and showing up when the government cheese is handed out. -
HI:
I was implying that while we, as individuals, might be moral, as a society we are not. A simple viewing of the nightly news should tell you that the moral fabric of society is breaking down as individual reponsibility is dwindling. If the moral majority still does exist, it is failing in its calling.There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin -
HI:
I was implying that while we, as individuals, might be moral, as a society we are not. A simple viewing of the nightly news should tell you that the moral fabric of society is breaking down as individual reponsibility is dwindling. If the moral majority still does exist, it is failing in its calling.
100% agreement
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As someone who has voted Dem 3 times, Rep 2, Ind 2, the one candidate who has me mildly interested is Bill Richardson, Gov. of New Mexico. His international background is outstanding, and being from the mountain west, he isn't your typical coastal liberal.
I used to be behind McCain, but he's lost his independent streak from coddling up to the the conservative base. Guiliani is almost as big of a womanizer as Clinton which will hurt him as things heat up.Review Site_ (((AudioPursuit)))
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hearingimpared wrote: »They so are not fools and should not be underestimated.
underestimate? hardly, fools? well, if my prediction holds true, then in my opinion yes.
not every christian that votes republican qualifies as what I consider a religious far right voter. There are many of them though, particularly in the south. If Rudy or McCain win, they will not vote for them solely based on there position on abortion. they will do this knowing full well this will get a democrat intothe white house, who would most likely support unfeterred abortion.
even a moderate republican like Rudy is far closer on an ideoligal stanpoint than any Democrat, but the religious right will still not vote for him, in effect, casting a vote for whoever wins the democratic primary.
to me, that is foolish
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he took a train wreck of a city and improved it dramatically. good lord, did you like Dinkins better?
he didnt make everyone happy while doing what he did, but true leadership seldom does. Hell, even I dont like everything he has done but you cant argue with the man who got results.
its what the country needs, we do not need a feel good president who tries to make everyone happy, we need a leader, and we need it now
again, Rudy aint perfect, he's a powerful man with the same strengths and weaknesses as any other powerful man, but I'll take him over everyone else running in a heartbeat. McCain is second
but dont fret, if Rudy wins the republican primary, the religious right will hand the democrats the presidency on a silver platter by not voting, because they are too dumb to understand by not voting the republican candidate they dont like, its the same as a vote for the more liberal democrat that is even more out of step with there ideals.
honestly the dumbest class of voters out there :rolleyes:
If you compare rudy to dinkins, then yes i agree that rudy was the best out of both mayors. I would like for you to list at least ONE acomplishment he made in the 8 years he was mayor. All he did was polarize the city.
If you want a real mayor who has acomplished much without oppression then look no further than the current mayor bloomberg.
Rudy is a megalomaniac who favors those who share his point of view and tries to destroy those who don't.SRT For Life; SDA Forever!
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HI:
I was implying that while we, as individuals, might be moral, as a society we are not. A simple viewing of the nightly news should tell you that the moral fabric of society is breaking down as individual reponsibility is dwindling. If the moral majority still does exist, it is failing in its calling.
Yes you are correct if you watch the news that is what you will get out of it. I think however that what you are seeing on the news is manipulated. Call me a dreamer or an idealist but I think for every negative news story that they report (because it sells) they could report 10 positive stories. Negativity, scandals and sensationalism is what sells newspapers, magazine, and commercial ads on TV. Not what some good hearted person in bum jump Iowa did to make his community better by leaps and bounds. Or what some grateful citizens did in mid PA to thank some war veterans.
Jeezzz how much news time did Anna Nicoles death get??? What did she ever do for anyone or anything except make the people (namely blonde women) in our society look like a bunch of dregs. Do you see what I mean? -
That is the implication isn't it? I'll bet some people here think I'm a big church goer as well.
It's funny, because I was raised Catholic as a kid and stopped going to a Catholic church when I was around 10. This is mostly because my mom stopped going and decided to go to a non-denominational church. I went there for a while, but there were some things that bugged me about it. I'll be 27 in about a month, and I only go to church on holidays if my mom asks my brother and I to go with her when we're in town. She's weekly at that same church to this day and has made a bunch of good friends through it. Other than that, it's not my bag at this time in my life. I do believe in God, but I don't believe in some of the practices of the Catholic church. I know I never will.
I actually don't feel good about that, but I know I'll get it all sorted out at some point. My big hang up with the Catholic church is that it's a lot of judgement and punishment. I believe that if you're right with God and your heart is right and you've truly asked for forgiveness that it will be done. That doesn't excuse you from societal punishment, so I'm not sure why it matters why some conservatives happen to be religious.
Why, because they bought into the stereotype that every Christian is a hypocrite? Every guy with a wife, 2 kids and a dog is really having an affair with the secretary? Does that mean all non-Christians do the same? Obviously not. No, some priests molests some kids and it's an epidemic. Those men are all wrong, and should rot in prison. How does that damage the Christian message? If anything it enforces the idea that we're all imperfect and we all make mistakes. I damn well know I have. I'm just trying to be a better person. If being a Christian helps you in that there's no shame in that.
That was long winded.
Anyhow, point is that there are a lot of conservatives out there that aren't Christians, and despite that fact we still support most of our Christian firends to have their voice as well.
Very well said!!! Very well thought out for a gentleman your age too, I mean the spiritual parts of course. I know at your age I thought I was God. I found out five years ago that I am not and am very glad that I did. -
daniel_paul_ wrote: »I give it a negative conotation because to often the hard-core strong right-wing are breaking the the same rules the srongly preach against. The minister who (I forgot his name) was was using meth and a **** escort. But another famous miniser saw that it was only a faze and there was no sin in his heart. Sound like the same pennence (sp?) that Newt bought.
I think the majority is still moral, we just do not have a strong voice.
Why is it okay to put a "negative conotation" on a Christian but it's not okay to do that with let's say black people or **** people or any other group in this county. I'm not looking for a fight here but it is very easy to bash Christians or "hard-core strong right-wingers breaking the same rules". It seems to me that it has become fashionable to slam or belittle Christians in this day and age. If the same things were said or thought out loud about other groups of people in this country all hell would break loose. No? -
No, some priests molests some kids and it's an epidemic. Those men are all wrong, and should rot in prison. How does that damage the Christian message? If anything it enforces the idea that we're all imperfect and we all make mistakes. I damn well know I have. I'm just trying to be a better person. If being a Christian helps you in that there's no shame in that.
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Yes we all make mistakes and we are not perfect and yes these men should rot in prison. The problem I have with this christion religion is that for the past 40years (and maybe much longer) the bishops and cardinals in charge PROTECTED these rapists.
They get off free.
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daniel_paul_ wrote: »You are the one that keeps making it partisan. My point was one hipocritical guy going after another. Your point was a Democrate going after a Republican.
Politics can't be anything but partisan, it's because there are two opposing sides each arguing their own positions. If we had a non-partisan system, everyone would be in complete agreement on every issue. How well would that work?David -
Actually the Diocese here in my city is still investigating charges from as far back as 30 yrs. ago. They arn't getting off scott free anymore.2-channelBelles 22A Pre, Emotiva XPA-2 Gen 2, Marantz SA8005, Pro-Ject RPM-10 Turntable, Pro-Ject Phono Box DS3B, Polk Audio Legend L800's, AudioQuest Cable throughout.
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If you compare rudy to dinkins, then yes i agree that rudy was the best out of both mayors. I would like for you to list at least ONE acomplishment he made in the 8 years he was mayor. All he did was polarize the city.
If you want a real mayor who has acomplished much without oppression then look no further than the current mayor bloomberg.
Rudy is a megalomaniac who favors those who share his point of view and tries to destroy those who don't.
One accomplishment? Dude, are we talking about the same city here?!?!?!
did crime go down a skosh?, did he clean up the city a tad?!?!?!
Times square went from a seedy sh*thole to.....well.....a place I can walk in without nearly as much fear for my life.
and yes, bloomberg is doing a good job, I'll give you that, but bloomberg could not lead the way he leads now if the city was as bad as when Rudy took it. bloomberg's stle works for a post Rudy NY, not a post Dinkins NY
I think people take for granted how bad Dinkins was, the city in terms of quality of life in every borough dropped like a stone, and in a deeper way than just the crime stats will tell.
Rudy changed it. I might not live in the city, but I'm there enough to see the huge difference Rudy made. A true leader can not make everyone happy, a true leader knows it, and still gets the job done.
did he piss off a few Unions, oh god yeah. But the Unions at the time needed to get d*ckslapped a little. I dont think the Unions were going to work with a nice Rudy. Rudy knew he couldnt do 10% a year raises for every public employee and change the city. The Unions were demanding everything but a City provided mimosa for every employee during lunch hour. Rudy stood up to the Unions, and is called a "Polarizing figure"
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Yes we all make mistakes and we are not perfect and yes these men should rot in prison. The problem I have with this christion religion is that for the past 40years (and maybe much longer) the bishops and cardinals in charge PROTECTED these rapists.
They get off free.
They are still running the catholic church.
Well first off, if they're guilty they'll likely go to jail if/when they get caught. The court system doesn't heed to the will of any church.
Secondly, do you believe that if 5 men out of a 1000 men commit unrelated crimes, that all 1000 men are guilty? Maybe your problem isn't with the Catholic church so much as it is with rapists. It's not as if the Catholic church is preaching rape. Protecting their image? Most definitely.
Perspective is everything. My qualms with the Catholic church have absolutely nothing to do with some members who are sick perverts. Rape isn't exclusive to the Catholic church, not that you were arguing that, but I have seen such rash inferences before... -
Well first off, if they're guilty they'll likely go to jail if/when they get caught. The court system doesn't heed to the will of any church.
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If you lived in Boston you would understand the political power of the catholic church.
First the catholic church denounced the first Boston Globe articles about the priests raping kids.
There was a brave man that stood up in a Boston church and called Bishop? McCormick to stop the priests from raping children. He was arrested in 5 minutes. He was raped by a priest.
McCormick who worked for Calindal Law moved the child rapists around the area for 20 years and ignored the many pleas from parents. He was never held accountable for these crimes.
How do you explain the fact that these child rapists were successfully raping children in many places with the blessing of the church for up to 20 years? The church helped these rapists hid and never addressed the issue until the Boston Globe continued to publish the stories from the people that were raped as children. After the initial story in the Globe they recieved many letters from many people telling of their rapes as children. These people were from the same ares that the priets were moved to. The Boston Globe just connected the dots while the catholic church tried to discredit the reporters.
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One accomplishment? Dude, are we talking about the same city here?!?!?!
did crime go down a skosh?, did he clean up the city a tad?!?!?!
Times square went from a seedy sh*thole to.....well.....a place I can walk in without nearly as much fear for my life.
and yes, bloomberg is doing a good job, I'll give you that, but bloomberg could not lead the way he leads now if the city was as bad as when Rudy took it. bloomberg's stle works for a post Rudy NY, not a post Dinkins NY
I think people take for granted how bad Dinkins was, the city in terms of quality of life in every borough dropped like a stone, and in a deeper way than just the crime stats will tell.
Rudy changed it. I might not live in the city, but I'm there enough to see the huge difference Rudy made. A true leader can not make everyone happy, a true leader knows it, and still gets the job done.
did he piss off a few Unions, oh god yeah. But the Unions at the time needed to get d*ckslapped a little. I dont think the Unions were going to work with a nice Rudy. Rudy knew he couldnt do 10% a year raises for every public employee and change the city. The Unions were demanding everything but a City provided mimosa for every employee during lunch hour. Rudy stood up to the Unions, and is called a "Polarizing figure"
this coming from a public employee by the way (not of the City though)
How can you as a tourist gauge the condition of a city?
Regardless of how much you visit a given city, the success of a rezoned/redeveloped 42st does not mean that crime in the whole city was down.
You had to live in ny during his tenure to see all he did. You had to work under him as a public employee to see how he treated his subordinates.
I am a new yorker, i live in ny.I worked in the worst parts of the city in during his tenure.
I am a public employee a member of the service for the last 14 years.
I can say that i've been involved in 1 degree or another with many of the major events that plagued the city in the last 18 years.
When rudy took over crime was already heading down. It was dinkins with the help of the federal govt that instituted change within the nypd.
Rudy took credit for it all because it was during his reignship that the stats became available. Dinkins made alot of positive changes mainly to the public hospitals, the fire dept and nypd. Rudy polarized the city.
Remember the washignton heights riots? or diallo? how about the crown heights riots? Ask any minority within nyc about rudy giuliani.
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If you lived in Boston you would understand the political power of the catholic church.
First the catholic church denounced the first Boston Globe articles about the priests raping kids.
There was a brave man that stood up in a Boston church and called Bishop? McCormick to stop the priests from raping children. He was arrested in 5 minutes. He was raped by a priest.
McCormick who worked for Calindal Law moved the child rapists around the area for 20 years and ignored the many pleas from parents. He was never held accountable for these crimes.
How do you explain the fact that these child rapists were successfully raping children in many places with the blessing of the church for up to 20 years? The church helped these rapists hid and never addressed the issue until the Boston Globe continued to publish the stories from the people that were raped as children. After the initial story in the Globe they recieved many letters from many people telling of their rapes as children. These people were from the same ares that the priets were moved to. The Boston Globe just connected the dots while the catholic church tried to discredit the reporters.
I think you hate these preists that rape, why would you protect their bosses who knew what was going on?
There is no love lost between me and the catholic church, not Catholics, the dogma & doctrine. The cover-ups and the "reassignment" were/are despicable and anyone involved priest, bishop, cardinal, pope should be prosecuted and punished accordingly and severely. There is no doubt that the RC church was weilding power. Their catholic politicians would be held under their thumbs by pain of excomunication if they spoke out or did anything against the church. Those same politicians would be ostracized and voted out by their catholic constituency, I just hate the fact that anyone can call them Christians. It is so not Biblical that it is demonic. -
If you lived in Boston you would understand the political power of the catholic church.
I don't think we need to live somewhere to have a sembelence of understanding about what's going on.First the catholic church denounced the first Boston Globe articles about the priests raping kids.
Of course they would. They're doing damage control. What do you expect them to do?
What has your reaction been? You've denounced the entire church because some perverts raped kids. Is the problem the church (read: DO THEY TEACH PEOPLE TO RAPE?) or is it the people who raped children?
The answer is no, they don't profess raping children. Meanwhile, you've got a religion out there that openly supports children strapping bombs to themselves to kill other people as well as themselves.
Damn that Catholic church and their overly positive message. Hell, even the Catholic church has no spine when it comes to fighting back.There was a brave man that stood up in a Boston church and called Bishop? McCormick to stop the priests from raping children. He was arrested in 5 minutes. He was raped by a priest.
McCormick who worked for Calindal Law moved the child rapists around the area for 20 years and ignored the many pleas from parents. He was never held accountable for these crimes.
How do you explain the fact that these child rapists were successfully raping children in many places with the blessing of the church for up to 20 years? The church helped these rapists hid and never addressed the issue until the Boston Globe continued to publish the stories from the people that were raped as children. After the initial story in the Globe they recieved many letters from many people telling of their rapes as children. These people were from the same ares that the priets were moved to. The Boston Globe just connected the dots while the catholic church tried to discredit the reporters.
I think you hate these preists that rape, why would you protect their bosses who knew what was going on?
All of the bolded stuff shows your gross assumptions and not facts, as you cited. Could the entire church in Boston be corrupt? Sure, very well possible. I don't believe it for a second, but I'll go ahead with your assumption as to not beleaguer the point.
I noticed you didn't respond to the rest of the post, which pretty much tells me you've got a vendetta against the Catholic church and aren't interested in admitting that the problem isn't with the Catholic church so much as it is with perverts and other criminals who have cloaked themselves behind the Catholic faith. You know damn well those men and even some women aren't acting at all according to Christian doctrine. Why not admit that? -
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I'm pissed at the catholic church's organization because it has covered up these rapes for up for 40 years or so, maybe longer. Do you disagree with this?
Would you protect these rapists if you knew of them?
Would you send these rapists off to a new locations to rape again and again?
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What the hell happened to this thread?
It started out talking about Hillary, then it goes downhill by talking about religion.
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Isn't that what happens to most political threads?
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Actually, right now it sickens me that we, as tax payers, are going to be sending money to most of these bozo's soe they can run their slime campaigns. Ugh...There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin
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I'm pissed at the catholic church's organization because it has covered up these rapes for up for 40 years or so, maybe longer. Do you disagree with this?
Yes, because I don't accept the premise of your argument. You're way off the mark. You're letting 5 men taint 1000. Perspective is everything. If you think the Catholic church as a whole, or even in a significant part, supports rapists, you're wrong.Would you protect these rapists if you knew of them?
I wouldn't protect any rapist. They deserve to be sent up and everything else they have coming to them. You've associated Rape with the Catholic church, that's wrong.Would you send these rapists off to a new locations to rape again and again?
No. Why aren't they in jail?The powers that control the catholic church did the above.
Yet you have no facts to support your claim. I actually agree with your last point. They were redistricted. The rest is crap. Who are the powers that control the Catholic church? The Pope? Bishops? Cardinals? Jesus H. Christ?
Was the janitor at Enron responsible for the actions of Ken Lay & Co? No? How about just as bad? See the problem with your blanket condemnation yet...?
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That is the implication isn't it? I'll bet some people here think I'm a big church goer as well.
Didn't you say you believed bible was the word of god at some point or do I remember incorrectly?My big hang up with the Catholic church is that it's a lot of judgement and punishment. I believe that if you're right with God and your heart is right and you've truly asked for forgiveness that it will be done. That doesn't excuse you from societal punishment, so I'm not sure why it matters why some conservatives happen to be religious.
That's how I feel as well, organized religions are not my type of thing and I rarely go to church. Funny since I did go to Lutheran mass a few weeks ago with a MC club, and I took my catholic wife with me. She's a spanish speaker and the mass was in Finnish.
Anyway, because I don't care for the religious groups and I am strongly against preaching it to those who don't want to hear about it, some people think I'm against faith and beliefs.
Where I grew up, religion was not big part of the average persons life but moral rights and wrongs always have been. Being a non-believer doesn't mean your moral views are any worse than the churc-goers. Even my wife jokes about the catholic "way of life" of doing sin during the week and then getting a pardon on Sunday.
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Didn't you say you believed bible was the word of god at some point or do I remember incorrectly?
I believe in God and I believe the Bible is the written word of God. 1,500 years of history in 66 books written by 40 very different people who all had interaction with God.
Yes, I have faith in that and realize others don't.
So, what's this have to do with being a church goer?Where I grew up, religion was not big part of the average persons life but moral rights and wrongs always have been. Being a non-believer doesn't mean your moral views are any worse than the churc-goers. Even my wife jokes about the catholic "way of life" of doing sin during the week and then getting a pardon on Sunday.
I agree, being a non-believer doesn't make you less moral. Only you can ruin your own morality by your actions. Slapping yourself with the Catholic, Muslim, Shintoist, or Buddhist tag doesn't make automatically make you a better person.
We do have to ask ourselves who defines morality, though, and that's always an interesting question. Everyone draws there line in different places, and why a lot of us try to preserve morality so that it doesn't deviate into absolute archaic depravity. -
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I think there were many more than 5 men raped by priests in just the Boston area. The catholic church just a few years ago settled with more than 20 people in the Boston area.
I also think there were many people involved who moved the rapests all around the area for 40 years. In Boston the head of the church cardinal Law had to resign because he was responsible with moving the rapests from location to location. The person who did the moving around was McCormik who worked directly for Law who is still working at the cathilic church.
Is he guilty?
Let me try to explain it another way. Suppose there was a universal organization of gym teachers for our gramma schools. And suppose you as a father found out that your son was raped by the gym teacher. You go to the school to complain and they deny any rapes took place, but the gym teacher goes away. You later find out many years later that the same gym teacher has raped children in 5 other schools and he was moved every time. Also that this gym teacher has been sent to thearapy by the schools and that he gets moved to schools that deal with only young children not to high school where the stundents aren't children. Also that this same moving game has happened to other gym teachers in other parts of the country.
What would you think about the people that ran the gym or school?
