The people over in Audioholics are a bunch of quacks!

cfrizz

Check out this thread!

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27799

I tried to talk sense to them but they are more interested in splitting hairs!:rolleyes:

dkg999

You didn't already know that all the good people are on this forum

VR3

Those people arnt quacks..

Try going to HTSpot...

They redefine "Quacks" - hypersenstive **** is more suitable...

schwarcw

Some people like to debate, just to debate. We see that behavior here sometimes too. All in all, Polk Forum has some really good people. I check out a lot of the other Forums too, but this one is where I have learned the most and got a lot of good advice from nice people, many of whom I call friends.

dorokusai

There are some cool folks in that forum, but they are typically active and sane members of other forums as well. There are crazier places in this hobby but if you don't branch out to at least vulture the other joints, you're not going to learn anything. I encourage anyone to participate but I personally don't have the brain power to handle too many forums so I fly around.

Just because its said here doesn't mean it's the truth.

I vulture all the time....learn to love it and you may find a nugget every now and then.

DarqueKnight

I found Dumbo's comments to be quite amusing.

Cathy, that's what you get for visiting other audio forums.:)

MacLeod

What a dumbass. Cathy was dead on right.

More power DOES make things louder BUT a 100 watt speaker wont be any louder with 400 watts than it would be with 100 watts. Eventually youll reach a point where the speaker just cant be pushed any further to move any more air. However the greater headroom on tap will improve sound quality by increasing dynamics.

And if that guy thinks more power wont be louder, tell him to come to a good SPL competition and hang out around the guys with 50,000 watt systems hitting 170 db and tell them more power doesnt mean louder.

More power is always a good thing for sound quality as long as youre not overdriving your speakers. One of the top guys in MECA SQ comps is running over 300 watts to each tweeter, 300 watts to each mid and 1000 to each sub. Its one of the best sounding systems Ive ever heard!

MSALLA

Looks like they need to spend some time at club polk. I thought I was an amature, damn.

F1nut

Of course, one can be so caught up in vulturing and flying around that one misses those nuggets.

Did someone mention splitting hairs?

TroyD

Splitting one of F1's hairs would require apparatus along the lines of a centrifuge they use to split an atom.

BDT

F1nut

You're just jealous.

dorokusai

F1nut wrote:

Of course, one can be so caught up in vulturing and flying around that one misses those nuggets.

Am I the reference to that post? in regards to vulturing and flying?

reeltrouble1

Sans the vulture, I'd rather swoop like an eagle.

RT1

cfrizz

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

I just love you guys!!! And believe me, I have learned my lesson. No more straying from CP! :eek:

You guys are a bunch of nuts, but you're MY bunch of nuts!:D

Thanks! Have a terrific week before Christmas.:)

ninerbj

he he he..*snicker*
She said nuts

cfrizz

Yup, I've grown use to you guys garden variety nutness. The out & out psychos scares the bejesus outta me:eek: :eek: :eek:

I much prefer the nuts that I know to the psychos I don't!:D

ninerbj wrote:

he he he..*snicker*
She said nuts

heiney9

I almost never engage those "nuts" over there in any meaningful dialoge. Most have a very different view of audio/hi-fi than we do here. For most (not all) of them over there the term

"Those that don't know, don't know they don't know" should be the slogan.

Agreed with the rest here that there are some great folks over there, but most are stuck in the '70's and can't/won't let go of the hi-fi mentality of that era.

Different strokes for different folks.

cfrizz

ROFLMAO!!!:D H9 I was thinking that all of yesterday as I watched each post more ludicrous then the next pop up!:D

I could hear you guys saying it over & over again.:D

heiney9 wrote:

"Those that don't know, don't know they don't know" should be the slogan.

schwarcw

reeltrouble1 wrote:

Sans the vulture, I'd rather swoop like an eagle.

RT1

You're running with Turkeys:D

markmarc

It was pretty amusing, but as always more power is not quality power.

reeltrouble1

schwarcw wrote:

You're running with Turkeys:D

Thats cool as long as their not Turkey Vultures!!!!:D :eek:

RT1

Ferres

I always wondered when people start taking out their spl meters if 'clarity' is measurable compared to 'loudness'.

VXR8

cfrizz wrote:

Check out this thread!

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27799

I tried to talk sense to them but they are more interested in splitting hairs!:rolleyes:

Hi cfrizz,

Love your posts (and everybodies within CP) and cannot believe "Dumbo" wasn't getting it . I am no expert as they claim to be, but as you rightly stated more power will benefit. I am looking at getting a Rotel RMB1095 just so I have all 5 channels amped - giving power in reserve. Your comparison to cars etc. was also valid. If you're driving a 4 cylinder and driving up a hill, you're going to be pushing that vehicle a lot harder to get to the top as opposed if you were Cruising up that same hill in a V8.

Anyway, I won't stray to other forums - CP for me!!:D

snow

cfrizz wrote:

Check out this thread!

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27799

I tried to talk sense to them but they are more interested in splitting hairs!:rolleyes:

LMAOOOOO:D


Sorry cathy i couldndt help myself after reading about 8 pages of that thread. mtrycrafts for example I wonder how many of those 6k + posts he had were giving out the wrong info to people?

I read the almost identical thread on the AVS forum the other day with of course different players involved. Some of the fellows there had 10k plus posts and were saying the same things. I really would like to know how can you spend enough time to have posted this much and know so little?

You were relating your real life experiences with these people, things that you tried and the results of such. That obviously didnt account for much there.

My own experiences are almost identical to yours btw, I had a SONY DA5-ES receiver that i was using, then hooked up an adcom GFA-555. 200wpc amp the difference was noticeable at once. I then tried a pair of large amps bridged mono to produce 1225 wpc. 6x the power of the adcom for each channel. There was some difference but very very little. I have came to the conclusion that after a point in which you have enough power to drive your speakers to any level that you can listen to, anything after this goes under the heading of disminishing returns.

So i guess there are 2 of us sharing the same delusional thinking and experience across many thousands of miles and months if not years of time.:p REGARDS SNOW

josh_parsons626

You know what....you guys give me a hard time most of the time but CLUB POLK FOR LIFE!

cfrizz

Welcome to CP VXR8!!!:D And thank you for the kind words.

One of the owners of Audioholics is the Messiah of 'separate amplification doesn't make a difference' and as you can tell, he has many followers of that belief!:eek: When they do decide to try an amp, they go & buy a pro amp.:rolleyes:

You will love having the RMB1095 handling your speakers, Rotel is good stuff!:D

Again thank you for the kind words and have a Gday mate!:D

VXR8 wrote:

Hi cfrizz,

Love your posts (and everybodies within CP) and cannot believe "Dumbo" wasn't getting it . I am no expert as they claim to be, but as you rightly stated more power will benefit. I am looking at getting a Rotel RMB1095 just so I have all 5 channels amped - giving power in reserve. Your comparison to cars etc. was also valid. If you're driving a 4 cylinder and driving up a hill, you're going to be pushing that vehicle a lot harder to get to the top as opposed if you were Cruising up that same hill in a V8.

Anyway, I won't stray to other forums - CP for me!!:D

cfrizz

If the quacks over there could see all of us delusional people over here, they would have a mass stroke!!!:D

They obviously prefer the science of music rather than the joy & beauty that their ears hear.:rolleyes: :eek:

snow wrote:

LMAOOOOO:D


Sorry cathy i couldndt help myself after reading about 8 pages of that thread. mtrycrafts for example I wonder how many of those 6k + posts he had were giving out the wrong info to people?

I read the almost identical thread on the AVS forum the other day with of course different players involved. Some of the fellows there had 10k plus posts and were saying the same things. I really would like to know how can you spend enough time to have posted this much and know so little?

You were relating your real life experiences with these people, things that you tried and the results of such. That obviously didnt account for much there.

My own experiences are almost identical to yours btw, I had a SONY DA5-ES receiver that i was using, then hooked up an adcom GFA-555. 200wpc amp the difference was noticeable at once. I then tried a pair of large amps bridged mono to produce 1225 wpc. 6x the power of the adcom for each channel. There was some difference but very very little. I have came to the conclusion that after a point in which you have enough power to drive your speakers to any level that you can listen to, anything after this goes under the heading of disminishing returns.

So i guess there are 2 of us sharing the same delusional thinking and experience across many thousands of miles and months if not years of time.:p REGARDS SNOW

VXR8

cfrizz wrote:

Welcome to CP VXR8!!!:D And thank you for the kind words.

One of the owners of Audioholics is the Messiah of 'separate amplification doesn't make a difference' and as you can tell, he has many followers of that belief!:eek: When they do decide to try an amp, they go & buy a pro amp.:rolleyes:

You will love having the RMB1095 handling your speakers, Rotel is good stuff!:D

Again thank you for the kind words and have a Gday mate!:D

Thanks cfrizz:o

This stuff certainly becomes addictive. Although the RMB1095 is quite expensive ($3100 AUD), like many suggestions here, I am planning for the future so this will be one component I won't have to upgrade to in the future , with 200 wpc x 5. Also, from other threads here I belive my RTi10s will come to life with a wee bit of extra juice pumped into them?

I'd certainly also like to upgrade to the LSi range too in the future, hence the Rotel will cater for that too:) . Can you advise why more people prefer the LSi15s as opposed to the LSI25s? My first instinct was to go for the LSi25s but the 15s appear more popular.

Thanks again for making me feel so welcome, from so far away :cool:

Ciao for now.

nadams

I wonder what the fine folks over at Audioholics would say to this...

I went from a 100wpc receiver, to a 75wpc 2ch amp, and experienced both more headroom, and greater dynamics. From less wattage. Wrap your head around that one!

McLoki

nadams wrote:

I wonder what the fine folks over at Audioholics would say to this...

I went from a 100wpc receiver, to a 75wpc 2ch amp, and experienced both more headroom, and greater dynamics. From less wattage. Wrap your head around that one!

List the specs for current and dampening factor, as well as the overall quality of the amp. (i.e. - I bet the amp manufacturer did not take into consideration that if their amp was to powerful, it would screw up the reception of the tuner built into the same chassis.)

I am really not surprized at all. It was built to be the best amp that it can be at its pricepoint. (as opposed to the pre-amp/amp/tuner at a certain pricepoint) With an AVR the manufacturer is faced with the choice of spending more on dampening materials in the AVR or spending less by building a cheaper amp section that does not have the power to interfere with the AVR's other funtions. Unless it is pretty high end, they almost always choose on the side of lower cost.

Michael

nadams

I'm not saying that I'm surprised by it... but I'd have a heck of a time trying to explain it to a bunch of "all amps created equal" folk.