Women's Rights

Demiurge

Sweet, a prize.

cfrizz

Cheddar, while there might be a clear delineation of roles in the bible, One that I don't necessarily have a problem with since that's pretty much how I was raised. The problem today is that most familes today consist of divorced one parent homes.

And it is usually the mothers who are doing the child raising without any support emotionally or financially from the father. Meanwhile he is out their getting more women pregnant!

This is how the vast majority of my girl friends are living & the results & affects on the children are decidedly bad!

My best friend has gone through 2 losers for husbands. The 1st one constantly dragged her through court trying to get the child support reduced going so far as to tell the judge that because he had remarried he should pay less to his 1st set of children! The judge laughed in his face!

The 2nd one was in the Army, got sent off to Panama & never came back. He has never seen his daughter, & remarried & then sued for divorce cause his new wife needed his benefits!

The state of matrimony is I think irrevocably broken these days & so to is the state of the family & I don't see any signs of it getting better!

audiobliss

Speaking my mind here...and against my better judgement...which, of course, never prevails...

cfrizz wrote:

I don't want or need any one of the umpteen million versions of the bible to know that for the most part all of them are discriminatory against women.

So, you're willing to dismiss the whole book based on your conjecturing without even looking at the book? Sounds like a great game plan to me.

cfrizz wrote:

I made up my own mind as I matured that I wanted nothing to do with something so negative against me.

Just because something is negative toward a person, or because it condemns that person's actions, doesn't mean it's wrong. Of course, I'm not saying that's applicable to you. I'm just making that statement in general. Also, you've matured? I certainly would have expected better behavior during a debate from a mature person than what has been displayed in this thread. Mind you, I'm making *no* claims to being mature.

cfrizz wrote:

I don't blame the priests, I have nothing against anybody who believes in the bible or who chooses to practice their faith however they see fit.

Your attitude thus far certainly hasn't reflected that...in the least...

cfrizz wrote:

I thank every single participant in this thread for exchanging meaningful dialog in a fairly polite & respectful manner.

Yes, I'm glad everyone has been kind and polite. Well, almost everyone. I can't truthfully say I think you have been. I mean, caps lock and foul language? That ain't too kind or polite. And that's the least of it. The attitude all your posts are saturated with clearly says it doesn't matter what kind of argument is made against your beliefs. They're wrong before you even know what they are, and the presenter of those arguments is a chauvinist pig for presenting them.

cfrizz wrote:

The state of matrimony is I think irrevocably broken these days & so to is the state of the family & I don't see any signs of it getting better!

Finally, we agree 100% on something.


Now, what in the world am I doing spouting off like this? I don't know...I don't know. I'm sure most of what I said was pretty inappropriate, and I'll probably end up wishing I hadn't posted it after I cool off. But the thing that gets me in this thread is attitude. I don't care what you believe or what you think of me. However, you should have a decent attitude. I don't think anything in life grates against my skin the wrong way like a bad attitude. (Which is rather ironic, considering Mom always says I have a bad one myself...:p)

I think I'm done in this thread. At least, I should be. My patience isn't up to making nice replies, and no other reply should be made. Perhaps you'll say I'm ducking out because I can't hold up my own. Well, that's true, I can't. And so I won't try to. Even if I could...nothing good ever comes from these threads, and this one is a perfect example. It's just been a waste of my time, and I suppose I should have just stayed out of it. But, I'm just not that strong.

Now, I need someone praying for me!

audiobliss

unc2701 wrote:

No, you wouldn't.

Oooh, thanks. I like the way that stings.

unc2701 wrote:

Your remark that I needed forgiving for being a Roman catholic implys that god let a whole lot slide for 1500 years OR he was ok with the other non-RC christian churchs available until that point.

Not at all. The only thing my remark implied is that I disagree with the teachings of the Roman Catholic church. I think you missed my smiley face. So, again...:)

unc2701 wrote:

Anyho, you keep telling us to read the bible... maybe you should read a little of its history?

I think you're probably right.

At any rate, thanks for all the extra information. I did actually learn something there.

hearingimpared

cfrizz wrote:

The state of matrimony is I think irrevocably broken these days & so to is the state of the family & I don't see any signs of it getting better!

Do you think the state of matrimony would be better if people had stronger morals and good character, both the women & the men? I do.

The thing that I see that is very disturbing and way more than it should be in this city is the inordinate amount of unwed mothers who have children with several different men. The ratios here are incredibly high. . . it is literally children having children in this city. You should see the way these young girls walk around. If you didn't know any better you would swear they were hookers. . . It is very scary.

cfrizz

Yes I do, but since no one is around to teach these morals or the ones who are responsible for bringing the children into the world haven't been taught any morals or have had any mothers or fathers of good character around themselves they wouldn't know how to teach it to their children!

We also can't discount outside influences like other kids. You can try to teach your kid all the right things in the world, but if he/she is constantly surrounded by bad influences & pressure from other kids it's going to have an impact.

A lot of these girls are having babies because "I want someone to love me unconditionally!" Which tells you they don't feel like they are getting any love, support, attention at home. How can they when daddy doesn't want the responsibility he's too busy running around trying to get into some other womans pants & mom just spends her life working usually at a low paying job just to keep food on the table. And they are too young to think about all of the consequences of having a baby until it's too late.

And this cycle repeats from one generation to the next.

As I've said before, the men aren't teaching their sons to respect women & the mothers aren't teaching their daughters to respect themselves!

hearingimpared wrote:

Do you think the state of matrimony would be better if people had stronger morals and good character, both the women & the men? I do.

The thing that I see that is very disturbing and way more than it should be in this city is the inordinate amount of unwed mothers who have children with several different men. The ratios here are incredibly high. . . it is literally children having children in this city. You should see the way these young girls walk around. If you didn't know any better you would swear they were hookers. . . It is very scary.

PolkThug

audiobliss wrote:

Now, what in the world am I doing spouting off like this? I don't know...I don't know.

brettw22

Audio, I think you need to rethink the way you talk to people. Joke or not, you've sarcastically said "why are we placating an emotional woman" and also made jokes about something that she's bothered with. Your 18 or 19 years are all yours, but I guarantee you that you have no idea what her life experiences are beyond what limited info she (or anyone) has posted on the forum, and I personally wouldn't be taking snide maturity comments from an 18yo.

F1nut

The state of matrimony is I think irrevocably broken these days & so to is the state of the family

I agree. Women need to get back in the kitchen and bake me some pie!

TroyD

Again, squarely with Brett on this one.

You know, there are a lot of Christians out there running around doing more harm than good. There is a LOT of things in the Bible but we seem to want to glom on to the passages that happen to coincide with our personal slant and ignore those that don't.

While there is a whole list of things that God objects too (and some of us pick up on that very easily) we forget that it ain't OUR place to cast judgement (we tend to forget that). Lest ye be judged. Yes, I think I've read that somewhere. Also, Jesus also made it a point to reach out to the great unwashed, the dregs of society. He also taught patience, toleration and servitude (sp). But, no, we don't want to hear that. We read that homosexuality is wrong. Yup, so we go on our personal crusades to preach how wrong that is. Well, I would say that the Bible teaches us that in God's eyes, sin is sin. He doesn't differentiate and we are ALL sinners who fall short of the glory of God. If that's the case than who the hell are we to sit as judge and jury over anyone else? If God can use people like David and Paul (go ahead and look up THIER litany of shortcomings)....maybe we shouldn't be so quick to write other folks off.

There is an old saying, before you judge, walk a mile in MY shoes. Well, Jesus we are taught did that very thing. Some of us think we can sit here and tell folks what they ought to do, think and feel without the first clue of what they have gone through and so forth. That's crap, folks. I consider myself Christian, but a long way from perfect and I sure don't think I have any business judging others, that's God's job.

Lastly, I really think that we need to steer away from these topics. This is an audio forum, primarily. I really think that there are more appropriate places for these discussions.

BDT

PhantomOG

so are all men evil mysogynistic philanderers or just most of them?

ohskigod

cfrizz wrote:

The state of matrimony is I think irrevocably broken these days & so to is the state of the family & I don't see any signs of it getting better!

Not broken, theres just alot of people that get married for the wrong reasons, as well as choosing the wrong partners for the wrong reasons. I walked into my marriage knowing the woman I was marrying was the one I wanted to tackle life's challenges with. Sure on rare occasion she ticks me off, and vice versa I'm sure, but I chose the right person for the right reasons, hence, my marriage so far is all good, dare I say enjoyable.

Is it undefeatable? no, and that knowlege alone means I am better equiped to spot problems in my marriage earlier than many others, and work with the wifey to get through them. Most marriages that fall in the crapper are caused by pure selfishness. one, or both, will wnat things a certain way only without considering the needs of there partner and coming to a compromise.

Maybe I'm just lucky as hell, but I'm married, and thank my lucky stars for being so. couldnt imagine my life any other way.

PhantomOG

ohskigod wrote:

Maybe I'm just lucky as hell, but I'm married, and thank my lucky stars for being so. couldnt imagine my life any other way.

You're not the only one. I couldn't be happier in my marriage and I know that my wife and I will be together for a long time, just like both sets of our parents who recently celebrated 30th year anniversaries (both sets!). So despite all this doom and gloom I know things are not that way for everyone and definitely not for me.

cheddar

Celebrated the fifth anniversary this year. I'm also part of a church home group with about a dozen young couples in it. We are all on our first marriages with one or two kids each.

ND13

Will have my 15th Anniversary in November and have been together, from the first night we met, for almost 17 years. We're both 39 yrs old, well I'll be in December, and we know several of our friends, co-workers, and family that are close to our age or younger that have been married several times. Marriage isn't supposed to be disposable or easy. We've worked our way through several extremely trying times and it just made our marriage stronger each time. My parents have been married for 40 years, but her mother is on her third husband, but in her defense, the first was abusive, the second was killed in a freak hunting accident(officially anyways, but that's a long story), and her third marriage is on it's 25th year or so.

I may, on occasion make an off-beat joke(which I usually do to show how ridiculous a comment or topic is), but that in no way means that I don't have the utmost respect for women. But as with all people, that respect can be lost as easily as it was earned. I live by the Golden Rule and treat people the way that I want me, my family, loved-ones and friends to be treated. Life really is that simple, if you choose it to be. But if you want life to be difficult, it surely can and will be.

I'm out on this, as I think I can hear the loud clanking of the COWBELL!!!

jdhdiggs

Cathy,

Man, you have it great in the US. It is so damn hot here and those black burka's, yikes!

Dang it PT, you stole Jesse's pic!

cfrizz

James, I have no idea what you are talking about, or where you are coming from.


Ohski, Phantom, Cheddar & Noel, congratulations on your commitments to your marriages & families. May you continue as my mother & father did for 40 yrs to love, honor, & cherish each other until the day you die!

You have my utmost admiration & respect.

cfrizz

Are all women the reason why men are evil mysogynistic philanderers?

Keep an eye on the attitudes of the guys towards women here on the club. I think it is fairly representive of what I see outside of it from guys.

If you all are just talking trash to be "one of the guys" so that you will fit in, maybe you need to rethink whether or not you really want to fit in. Are you so anxious to fit in you will go against what you know is right just to do so?

I've lost count of the number of times one of the guys has promoted a positive remark regarding women & worried at the same time that others of you would come out & slam & deride him as a wimp, p****, or tell him to grow a pair of brass ones. I've seen some guys put down for proclaiming how much they respect their wife. When comments like that have been made, that man should have stood up & told the offender to STFU!

Phantom, if you guys can't even respect each other & the commitments that you have made to your wives, how do you think we women feel?

I would love to see more respectful attitudes towards wives/women like the kind that are demonstrated by Troy, Noel, Henry, BMD, FrankZ, Doro, & George Grand.

PhantomOG wrote:

so are all men evil mysogynistic philanderers or just most of them?

PhantomOG

cfrizz wrote:

Are all women the reason why men are evil mysogynistic philanderers?

Nope... I believe in personal responsibility. Sure there are bad people (men and women) but I'm not going to prejudge anyone based on the bad actions of others.

cfrizz wrote:

Keep an eye on the attitudes of the guys towards women here on the club. I think it is fairly representive of what I see outside of it from guys.

If you all are just talking trash to be "one of the guys" so that you will fit in, maybe you need to rethink whether or not you really want to fit in. Are you so anxious to fit in you will go against what you know is right just to do so?

I've lost count of the number of times one of the guys has promoted a positive remark regarding women & worried at the same time that others of you would come out & slam & deride him as a wimp, p****, or tell him to grow a pair of brass ones. I've seen some guys put down for proclaiming how much they respect their wife. When comments like that have been made, that man should have stood up & told the offender to STFU!

Phantom, if you guys can't even respect each other & the commitments that you have made to your wives, how do you think we women feel?

I would love to see more respectful attitudes towards wives/women like the kind that are demonstrated by Troy, Noel, Henry, BMD, FrankZ, Doro.

I hope I'm correct in believing that you are not singling me out as someone who makes derogatory/demeaning comments regarding women here because I certainly don't remember doing so.

With that said, this is the Polk Audio Clubhouse forum (ie Off-Topic) and not the Sesame Street Politically Correct and Totally Non-Offensive forum. I hope you haven't turned on your television lately, because jokes and sitcoms abound making humor out of typical marriage/relationship/husband/wife stereotypes. There is such a thing as humor and as long as the audience is age appropriate, everyone is free to ignore what they personally don't like.

My first question was a sarcastic (humor!) question. In no way do I honestly believe you think that all men are pigs and are to blame for every evil in the world. Do you never make a joke and not really mean what you say? If not, I'd hope you'd give others a little more slack in trying to keep the atmosphere here lighthearted and humorous.

jdhdiggs

cfrizz wrote:

James, I have no idea what you are talking about, or where you are coming from.

لا ووردلي جدا لنا؟

unc2701

معتوه

audiobliss

[something] very for us...and then crazy....

It's a shame just about all the Arabic translators on the web charge you.

brettw22

PhantomOG wrote:

My first question was a sarcastic (humor!) question. In no way do I honestly believe you think that all men are pigs and are to blame for every evil in the world. Do you never make a joke and not really mean what you say? If not, I'd hope you'd give others a little more slack in trying to keep the atmosphere here lighthearted and humorous.

Typically if you're going to make a joke, just put a smiley in there so they know you're joking, not asking a directed question.

cfrizz

No Phantom I was not singling you out for making derogatory comments. No I don't think all men are evil & I have stated that further up in the thread. So asking me that question didn't come across as funny to me. The funny thing about the internet is no one can easily pick up on humor, sarcastic or otherwise. That is why they made emoticons.

There is a huge difference between harmless stereotypical jokes which I do recognise & laugh right along with everyone else, and lumping people who are willing to stand up & protest when cruel, rude & disrespectful comments are made like these... wimp, p****, or telling him to grow a pair of brass ones as people being politcally correct by wishing everyone happy holidays rather than Merry Christmas or calling a garbage collector a sanitation engineer.

If women ignored the fact that they didn't have the right to vote, we still wouldn't have the right to vote.

If something is wrong, unjust, unfair, discriminatory etc. it is only right for those who do object to stand up & say so, that is the only way to affect change. That is how this country came to be, and how it continues to evolve!

This board is a microcosm of the greater world outside, it has men & women, adults & minors. It is not your neighborhood bar or your own personal playground.

Think twice before you speak once, because others will form opinions about who they think you are based on how you came across on here.

If you wouldn't say rude or disrespectful things to someone face to face because of the possible consequences of being punched in the mouth, then it probably shouldn't be said here either.

All of us should treat others as we ourselves wish to be treated. Hopefully that is with curtesy & respect & tolerance.

mrbigbluelight

For every guy I know who cheats on his wife, there is a woman who cheats on her husband.

Actually the woman cheating number is higher.

Now, the comments in this thread telling the women to get in the kitchen to fix a pot pie are obviously made with humor, with or without a smiley face.
If they're not recognized as such, than I'd have to suggest that reader needs to get a humor tuneup.

Cfrizz, I have no understanding of how men can fool around on their wives, That doesn't make me better than other men, it's just that I really can't understand how they can do it.
I like ***** as much as the next guy, but as fine as ***** is, how does one fool around, come home and face your kids ?
That's not meant to be judgemental, it's merely my expression of my total lack of understanding of the mechanics of it

While there is male on female abuse, to be sure, the opposite is true. While the physical abuse may not rival that of the male, I'd say wanton and reckless spending can be just as abusive.

Too often one of both spouses aren't willing to do what it takes to make a marriage work.

cfrizz

I lump the get in the kitchen & make me a pie in with the harmless jokes as well BBL, that's why it wasn't included in the comments I find offensive!

As to everything else you mentioned, I am in complete agreement with you!

PhantomOG

brettw22 wrote:

Typically if you're going to make a joke, just put a smiley in there so they know you're joking, not asking a directed question.

Well gee Officer Barbrady, I'm sure sorry about that. I'm glad you're here to catch these heinous criminal acts. You better get busy, because I'm sure there are a few thousand other posts here at the Club Polk Forums that need your attention, so get to work. Someone out there might read someone else's old post and think their joke is serious and before you know it the world will come to an end!!

Oh wait, before I forget. I sure hope this post fits within the guidelines for "U.S. Internet Forum Smiley Etiquette" because I know I can't afford another ticket this month! I better put in a few more just in case... :cool:

This entire post was meant as a sarcastic joke and in no way intended to offend anyone, minorities, majorities, small animals and insects included. Thank for you taking the time to read my disclaimer.

ND13

Screw the insects

zombie boy 2000

ND13 wrote:

Screw the insects

yup.... bugger them (pun most certainly intended...)

brettw22

Jokes are boring when they're overdrawn.........;)