What a jerkoff!

brettw22

There is middle ground between protecting ourselves and whatever you call all that's going on over there.........

mrbigbluelight

^^^Agreed with your thought, Brettw22.

One extreme end of the board is the position where we do nothing in response to 9/11.
Bury our heads in the sand, and hope terrorism goes away.

The other opposite extreme is where we nuke Iran, Syria, and Pakistan back into the stone age.

The question is, where on the board should our resonse lie ?

My opinion is that what this situation definitely calls for, and I'd dare say deperately needs, is a statesman and a master politiician.

Do we have that on our side ?
My opinion would be definitely not.

dholmes

Sorry everyone, I had way tooo many bud lites last night. I hardly ever rant & rave about anything!

MacLeod

Things over there arent as bad as theyre being portrayed. Is it a Utopia? Of course not, but its not total chaos either. Most of the violence is between waring factions and no longer as much against our boys. The death of Zarkowi seemed to be the death nail for al Qaeda over there. The government is up and running for the most part and their economy is taking its baby steps.

Also, the Iraqi police and military are taking charge more and more of security and a lot of the raids and enforcement measures have been carried out by Iraqi security forces.

You have to understand that by Bin Laden's own admission, Iraq is the site of WWIII and so they are totally focused on it, thats why its taking longer than Afghanistan did. Eventually we will win and I have no doubt that years from now, Iraq will be a stable country and an ally to the US and England.

Mistakes have been made and things could be a lot better in Iraq but things are getting better and not worse.

Drumingman

Can't we all just get along?

Here's how to fix this.

1. Go buy the latest Cat Stevens record, and wear a dirty Bedsheet.

2. Make your woman Wear a Burka.

3. Smoke one and daydream about 72 Virgins!

AH

hearingimpared

As I said earlier the war was not made with the best of plans (that is really the only thing I think the administration did wrong with it) so I think turning it over to the Iraqis when the time is right is going to take a hell of a lot better planning and making sure that he UN is heavily involved so that we don't have or feel full responsibility for the clean-up and maintenance.

See Brett I didn't quote you and now this reply is 6 posts down. I think I like quoting better.

hearingimpared

mrbigbluelight wrote:

^^^Agreed with your thought, Brettw22.

One extreme end of the board is the position where we do nothing in response to 9/11.
Bury our heads in the sand, and hope terrorism goes away.

The other opposite extreme is where we nuke Iran, Syria, and Pakistan back into the stone age.

The question is, where on the board should our resonse lie ?

My opinion is that what this situation definitely calls for, and I'd dare say deperately needs, is a statesman and a master politiician.

Do we have that on our side ?
My opinion would be definitely not.

Very good thoughts here however we are going to be dealing with that/those maniac(s) from Iran, their puppet Syria and Pakistan who has the bomb and in a very broad sense is harboring Ohasn't bin Ladin.

They definetly want to nuke us and Israel back to the stone age. How do we deal with that kind of hatred and fanaticism? How do you try to talk to a guy like Ahmadinejad whose sole function is to spread the message of hate toward Israel and the US. Every Friday after morning prayers since the Ayatollah took over in the late 70s, ALL of the Iranian people are required to chant "DEATH TO AMERICA, that is all of 30 years."

How is a kid who was born let's say in 1980 in Iran who is now 26 going to be able to know that he has been taught nothing but hatred and violence toward the US & Israel and that teaching is anything less than absolutely correct?

Systems

hearingimpared wrote:

. Every Friday after morning prayers since the Ayatollah took over in the late 70s, ALL of the Iranian people are required to chant "DEATH TO AMERICA, that is all of 30 years."

Do they really do this ?

exalted512

hearingimpared wrote:

As I said earlier the war was not made with the best of plans

the only thing with this is were not fighting a country, were fighting a bunch of wannabe guerilla rambos. Planning for an attack on terrorists is a lot harder than planning an attack as in WWII. In WWII, we knew the enemy and we knew what they were capable of, we knew where they were, etc etc.
-Cody

hearingimpared

GV#27 wrote:

Do they really do this ?

There was a show on the History channel about Iran and Ayatollah Khomeini. I believe it was called "Declassified." They showed how every Friday after prayers they literally take to the streets with signs, burning American flags, hung Americans in effegy, etc chanting "Death to America." This is throughout the whole country.

This is not the only program where I have seen this practice on Fridays in Iran.

Systems

hearingimpared wrote:

There was a show on the History channel about Iran and Ayatollah Khomeini. I believe it was called "Declassified." They showed how every Friday after prayers they literally take to the streets with signs, burning American flags, hung Americans in effegy, etc chanting "Death to America." This is throughout the whole country.

This is not the only program where I have seen this practice on Fridays in Iran.

Wow, they are just so consumed and blinded with hatred.

This sick SOB Ahmadinejad fella has got to be the most dangerous man alive including Binladen.He is going to be a huge problem in the years to come.

ND13

hearingimpared wrote:

There was a show on the History channel about Iran and Ayatollah Khomeini. I believe it was called "Declassified." They showed how every Friday after prayers they literally take to the streets with signs, burning American flags, hung Americans in effegy, etc chanting "Death to America." This is throughout the whole country.

This is not the only program where I have seen this practice on Fridays in Iran.

Very true. The Iranis have been practicing this tradition for close to 30 years now and some people think that we can talk our way out of the inevitable....an all out war with Iran and it's puppets.:rolleyes:

We could only dream of there being a peaceful solution to this problem.

SKsolutions

hearingimpared wrote:

NEWS FLASH . . .the KKK and Black Panthers are/were AMERICAN CITIZENS as were the people they were trying to hold down. The terrorists want to take our way of life away from us, civil rights and all.

How can you equate the Civil Rights movement in this country to what foreign facists are trying to impose on the free world. Who is being asinine?

Civil Rights? In America? There are few left unaltered or completely intact after 9-11. Even Constitutional rights haven't survived. The government is now in your closet, and is leveraging terrorist fear to separate you from your rights. It's blatently breaking the written law that founded this country. I know I'll take slack for it, but I am ashamed at how far from America, America is. No one has any balls anymore. If this happened a generation ago, there would strikes and riots. Instead we're learning new words like "vertically challenged" to describe a midget.

I think it's time to read some Orwell while having some Coffee. Stone is a nitwit, but he's closer to the truth than many on one key point.

exalted512

SKsolutions wrote:

Civil Rights? In America? There are few left unaltered or completely intact after 9-11. Even Constitutional rights haven't survived. The government is now in your closet, and is leveraging terrorist fear to separate you from your rights. It's blatently breaking the written law that founded this country. I know I'll take slack for it, but I am ashamed at how far from America, America is. No one has any balls anymore. If this happened a generation ago, there would strikes and riots. Instead we're learning new words like "vertically challenged" to describe a midget.

I think it's time to read some Orwell while having some Coffee. Stone is a nitwit, but he's closer to the truth than many on one key point.

what has affected you after 9/11? What laws have passed that have made a difference in your day to day life?

Freedom isnt free
-Cody

MacLeod

SKsolutions wrote:

Civil Rights? In America? There are few left unaltered or completely intact after 9-11. Even Constitutional rights haven't survived. The government is now in your closet, and is leveraging terrorist fear to separate you from your rights. It's blatently breaking the written law that founded this country. I know I'll take slack for it, but I am ashamed at how far from America, America is. No one has any balls anymore. If this happened a generation ago, there would strikes and riots. Instead we're learning new words like "vertically challenged" to describe a midget.

I think it's time to read some Orwell while having some Coffee. Stone is a nitwit, but he's closer to the truth than many on one key point.

While I agree with the lack of balls this generation has, I dont agree that theyre no civil rights left.

Name me some that have been taken away.

And dont give me the wire tapping crap either. If the government is monitoring some terrorist in Iran and he makes a phone call to Gross Pointe Michigan, I want that phone call monitored. Nobody is listening in on your 1-900 calls.

SKsolutions

MacLeod wrote:

While I agree with the lack of balls this generation has, I dont agree that theyre no civil rights left.

Name me some that have been taken away.

And dont give me the wire tapping crap either. If the government is monitoring some terrorist in Iran and he makes a phone call to Gross Pointe Michigan, I want that phone call monitored. Nobody is listening in on your 1-900 calls.

If you think that this post is not monitored, live in ignorance and be happy. If you think your Government serves you, you must live in those square states.

Demiurge

SKsolutions wrote:

If you think that this post is not monitored, live in ignorance and be happy. If you think your Government serves you, you must live in those square states.

I want to meet the man or woman government official whose job it is to monitor club polk. Good grief. :rolleyes:

SKsolutions

exalted512 wrote:

what has affected you after 9/11? What laws have passed that have made a difference in your day to day life?

Freedom isnt free
-Cody

Pithy maxim, that. I'm sure the Romans mouthed it while Nero sat and watched Rome burn.

I think what you were looking for was:

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -Ben Franklin

I'd call my privacy "an essential liberty".

SKsolutions

Demiurge wrote:

I want to meet the man or woman government official whose job it is to monitor club polk. Good grief. :rolleyes:

Actually there are whole agencies devoted to it.

Demiurge

SKsolutions wrote:

Actually there are whole agencies devoted to it.

Finished with my woman cause she couldnt help me with my mind
People think Im insane because I am browning all the time
All day long I think of things but nothing seems to satisfy
Think Ill lose my mind if I dont find something to pacify

Can you help me thought you were my friend
Whoah yeah

I need someone to show me the things in life that I cant find
I cant see the things that make true happiness, I must be blind

Make a joke and I will sigh and you will laugh and I will cry
Happiness I cannot feel and love to me is so unreal

And so as you hear these words telling you now of my state
I tell you to enjoy life I wish I could but its too late

hearingimpared

SKsolutions wrote:

Actually there are whole agencies devoted to it.

Let's deal in some facts there kemosabe. What rights of yours have been taken away since 9 11?

I sincerly doubt that anyone gives a rats **** what is being said on this forum except maybe Justin, and the only thing we have to fear from him is to delete threads like this or maybe be banned for breaking the rules . . . after all it is their (Polk's) forum. So who are these "whole agencies" devoted to monitoring us?

xsmi

ND13 wrote:

ED ZACHARY!!!!

If anyone believes that what our government has/is doing about terrorism isn't/hasn't worked is in denial and just want to bash the current administration and are grasping at straws because they don't like this administration. The facts are that we have deterred terrrorism(in our borders) 100% for over 5 years now. Noone wants to report that.:rolleyes:

Selective memory. We don't know where that anthrax was coming from, and so we assume it is not related? com'on. I don't blame Bush totally for what is wrong with the war on terror (although he should shoulder some blame) I blame the VP and Don Rumsfeld. We should have FINISHED what we started in Afganistan then went to Iraq. We are definitley in a mess today and all of us armchair Presidents can whine and moan all we want but it does not change the fact that mistakes were made no one within the administration has stood up and said point blank that the timing of thbis war was a mistake.

xsmi

hearingimpared wrote:

Let's deal in some facts there kemosabe. What rights of yours have been taken away since 9 11?

I sincerly doubt that anyone gives a rats **** what is being said on this forum except maybe Justin, and the only thing we have to fear from him is to delete threads like this or maybe be banned for breaking the rules . . . after all it is their (Polk's) forum. So who are these "whole agencies" devoted to monitoring us?

I am looking for the info that I saw on Screensavers in 2003 about software that the FBI developed to snoop on emails, BBS and forums. There was a group of liberals who organized a campaign against it and lost. Because TechTV was bought by G4 it seems that most of the old posts are gone. I am checking Leoville to see if I can find it. If you think the feds are leaving any rock unturned (except the one Osama is under:p) think again.

xsmi

Here we go. This is the organization that was started because of this.
http://www.eff.org/news/archives/2005_08.php

MacLeod

SKsolutions wrote:

If you think that this post is not monitored, live in ignorance and be happy. If you think your Government serves you, you must live in those square states.

Do you see black helicopters outside your house?

MacLeod

xsmi wrote:

Selective memory. We don't know where that anthrax was coming from, and so we assume it is not related? com'on. I don't blame Bush totally for what is wrong with the war on terror (although he should shoulder some blame) I blame the VP and Don Rumsfeld. We should have FINISHED what we started in Afganistan then went to Iraq. We are definitley in a mess today and all of us armchair Presidents can whine and moan all we want but it does not change the fact that mistakes were made no one within the administration has stood up and said point blank that the timing of thbis war was a mistake.

Anthrax? I remember a scare with white powder being sent to a bunch of politicians but nothing widespread. And besides, if the terrorists had done it, they wouldve claimed it. They love to take credit for these things.

Couldnt be more wrong. The timing of this war was perfect. Right after 9/11.

Actually it shouldve been a lot sooner like in the mid 90's. The war in Iraq was NOT a preeptive strike; it was a RESUMPTION of action.

When we took them on in 91, the conditions of us not going into Iraq and flattening the place was the Saddam disarm and allow UN inspections. Those were the terms. He snubbed his nose at that agreement for 12 years while the UN, drunk with oil bribes, refused to act. So after 9/11 proved to us we could no longer allow threats like this to remain, we resumed the action that was agreed upon in the first Gulf War.

Yeah, there have been mistakes. There were mistakes made in WWII as well. Nobody is perfect. However this war is going in the right direction overall and we are winning! As long as it continues to do so I say the current leadership is doing the job.

brettw22

To be declared a world war, wouldn't there have to be more going on than us just attacking everyone in the name of 'protecting ourselves?'

Just becuase we're not totally aware of what's being done in the background doesn't mean things that use to be still are......

xsmi

MacLeod wrote:

Couldnt be more wrong. The timing of this war was perfect. Right after 9/11.

Actually it shouldve been a lot sooner like in the mid 90's. The war in Iraq was NOT a preeptive strike; it was a RESUMPTION of action.

Even the current admin. called this a pre-emptive stike. And until you either go over and see for yourself or know people who taken at least 2 tours (my brother inlaw), you don't know if this is going in the right direction. Support the troops but not the ignorance. Everyone in the world except our admin. (not just the UN) said no WMD's. Why would Saddam posture as if he did for so many years? One word my friends, Iran!

MacLeod

xsmi wrote:

Even the current admin. called this a pre-emptive stike. And until you either go over and see for yourself or know people who taken at least 2 tours (my brother inlaw), you don't know if this is going in the right direction. Support the troops but not the ignorance. Everyone in the world except our admin. (not just the UN) said no WMD's. Why would Saddam posture as if he did for so many years? One word my friends, Iran!

I am listening to those that have been over there! I know a few myself plus you see a host of them on the news talking about how the bad is over reported while the good goes ignored. They had a couple wounded soldiers appear on a local left wing talk show here in town as they were promoting their charity for wounded or dead soldiers families. Their motto was "No politics, just soldiers". The scumbag left wing host kept on and on trying to get them to say how much they hated Bush and how screwed up things were in Iraq and after about 15 minutes of this they finally broke down and told him, albeit nicely, to eff off! They said it aint perfect over there but then again its war and that they believed in what they were doing otherwise they wouldnt have signed up!

And EVERYBODY was saying Iraq had WMD's! The UN said it, Bill Clinton said it thousands of times when he was President. John Kerry said "if you dont believe Saddam has WMD's and is a threat to us, then dont vote for me". Little Dick Gephardt, Tom Daschle, Dick Durbin, Joe Biden, even Ted Kennedy took time away from his cocktails and drunked driving to announce Saddam has em. Of course all these guys (except Kerry) were saying this back when Clinton was in office. Apparantly Saddam had them in the 90's but Jan 2001 he immediately got rid of them all.

PLUS we've already found enough Saren gas to kill 500,000 people! Not to mention the WMDS Saddam had already used on his own people!

tkn

dude's we should remember that anyone has the right to say whatever they think...

even if we don't agree...