If you have an hour and a half

Mazeroth

You might want to check out this video on the collapse of the WTCs. Very interesting stuff. Really makes you question what really happened:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&pr=goog-sl

RuSsMaN

Watching now....

RuSsMaN

So far, something to think about - I need to finish.

Halfway or so into it, some interesting points, and some (what I see as) fallacies. Ie: Pyroclastic flows - if it was truly such, the ash would have been superheated (as in a volcanic eruption), and people for blocks would have been toast (for lack of a better term) in fairly short order, due to the intense heat associated with such a flow.

.....more later

mrbigbluelight

I've watched numerous videos of the WTC collapses. Some of the material contained in this video was covered by them, some wasn't.

This video goes into deeper depth on several items (sound signatures synced with appropriate compensation for distance, for instance) than I have previously seen.

A key element in questioning how the towers collapsed is this, IMHO: what happened to the cores ?
The PBS showed the "pancaking" OUTER segments. I can see where that could happen; I believe one would have to dismiss the issue of the melting point of steel to do so, but a resonable person could have the opinion that the outer segments had pancaked.
But one troubling issue as I see it is how in the world did the inner spine give way and come down ?

polkatese

Building 7 collapsed with NO casualty? SEC files and evidences on Enron and Worldcom shredded with it?

What if it were all true? Very interesting!

bobman1235

Yay conspiracy theories!!

Here's my question. If the government, or whoever you crazies think masterminded these things, could do all of this, which would involve keeping THOUSANDS of people silenced.... why can't they keep these videos from coming out? You're telling me that a HUGE conspiracy involving thousands of people, and not ONE person has come forward with direct experience or evidence.... but some schmoe with a MacBook figured it all out and popped a video on the internet under their noses?

Please.

PhantomOG

bobman1235 wrote:

Yay conspiracy theories!!

Here's my question. If the government, or whoever you crazies think masterminded these things, could do all of this, which would involve keeping THOUSANDS of people silenced.... why can't they keep these videos from coming out? You're telling me that a HUGE conspiracy involving thousands of people, and not ONE person has come forward with direct experience or evidence.... but some schmoe with a MacBook figured it all out and popped a video on the internet under their noses?

Please.

Shhhh.... just put your tin foil hat back on and be quiet or the black heliocopters will come and get you!!!

MrNightly

bobman1235 wrote:

Yay conspiracy theories!!

Here's my question. If the government, or whoever you crazies think masterminded these things, could do all of this, which would involve keeping THOUSANDS of people silenced.... why can't they keep these videos from coming out? You're telling me that a HUGE conspiracy involving thousands of people, and not ONE person has come forward with direct experience or evidence.... but some schmoe with a MacBook figured it all out and popped a video on the internet under their noses?

Please.

Did you watch the entire video? I highly suspect you didn't. And from the video, there are plenty of people that have come forward, but have been pushed aside, suppressed, fired from their jobs, etc.. Try from about 1hr into the video to 1hr 10mins in. Some very interesting things. How about Kevin Ryan at 1:13:07 into the video? How do you just disregard what he said and what happened when he questioned the official story?

Do you believe everything the "News" spoon feeds you? Please. If you do, one could call you, "A Crazie." Everyone know's that the media is owned by money, and only the topics that the money wants aired, get's aired.

Don't insult a point of view that has just as much standing and proof as the "Official Story."

The truth for 9/11 is growing, and it may not be in our lives we find out the real story, but it will come out eventually.

PolkThug

For a better understanding:

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

RuSsMaN

It's not about conspiracy theories, voodoo and doodoo, etc for me.

It's about being informed, and hearing / seeing multiple views on the subject, and then forming my own opinion on the information gathered.

PhantomOG

MrNightly wrote:

Do you believe everything the "News" spoon feeds you? Please. If you do, one could call you, "A Crazie." Everyone know's that the media is owned by money, and only the topics that the money wants aired, get's aired.

If we lived in China I'd be that weary of the "News", but here in the good ol' US of A digging up dirt on the government and airing it (sometimes without evidence or proof) is the way of life. Its not about who owns the money, its all about getting more money in the way of viewers and airing sensational stories. I'd call all of these unconventional theories on 9/11 pretty "sensational".

schwarcw

It's all Clinton's fault! I mean it's all Bush's fault! Err. . . I mean it's all the government!!! After all, look what happened at Ruby Ridge!!!:cool:

Now people are coming out with books saying how Guliani did everything wrong. People don't want to move on with life!

Me, I'm worried about the genocide in Darfur. But, who cares?????? It's not glamorous for the media.

Demiurge

You guys nailed it! You've exposed the world's biggest conspiracy -- between bong pulls, and Hot Pocket drippings on your exposed testicles, as you sit at the computer in your stained underwear -- you can now say you're the smartest people in the world. :rolleyes:

News flash -- there's a reason even the left wingers in the media are laughing at these morons. Do the world a favor and end yourselves. What, not compassionate? It's about the same amount of compassion you've shown the people who lost their lives on that day by peddling this ****.

bobman1235

MrNightly wrote:

Did you watch the entire video? I highly suspect you didn't. ....

I did watch it, and many others like it (Loose Change anyone), just to see what people were talking about, and so smartasses like yourself would be wrong when they accused me of ignoring things.

I dont' ignore what was in the video anymore than you ignored my points - how do folks with absolutely NO inside information, NONE AT ALL, just access to publicly available things and a few other conspiracy theorists, find out more than, say, the 911 commission? How can THOUSANDS of involved people be completely silenced, and this guy allowed to make this video and release it? It makes no sense at all.

MrNightly wrote:

Do you believe everything the "News" spoon feeds you? Please. If you do, one could call you, "A Crazie." Everyone know's that the media is owned by money, and only the topics that the money wants aired, get's aired.

Don't insult a point of view that has just as much standing and proof as the "Official Story."

I love how you accuse me of listening to everything the media tells me, when you're listening to everything one stupid independently produced WEB video is telling YOU. I don't inherently trust ANYTHING, I listen to what's out there and use my own LOGIC to make my point of view. And my logic on this tells me that there's "evidence" on both sides of the argument, most or all of it can be easily explained away, and what your'e left with is that there's no way that a conspiracy of that large a proportion could be kept secret. No. Possible. Way. The only conspiracy you could possibly entertain is that a few high-ranking people in our government funded terrorists to fly planes into buildings - I don't beleive that, but at least it would be SOMEWHAT feasible in a logistics sense - but all this stuff about "there were no planes" and the WTC was taken down by controlled demolition just doesn't make sense if you actually think about how it would have to have happened, and the ridiculous number of people who would have to be involved.

MrNightly

bobman1235 wrote:

I did watch it, and many others like it (Loose Change anyone), just to see what people were talking about, and so smartasses like yourself would be wrong when they accused me of ignoring things.

I dont' ignore what was in the video anymore than you ignored my points - how do folks with absolutely NO inside information, NONE AT ALL, just access to publicly available things and a few other conspiracy theorists, find out more than, say, the 911 commission? How can THOUSANDS of involved people be completely silenced, and this guy allowed to make this video and release it? It makes no sense at all.

Thanks for reacting to my comments, and calling me names. That's a great way to be thought of as a rational, composed individual.

I am surprised you watched all 1hr, 30 minutes of it. It took me until today to finish it, so with you responding within a few hours of the original post, I simply assumed you didn't watch the entire video. Pardon my assumption.

I'm not here to start a fight, because honestly, you're opinion on what happened is fine. I happen to believe otherwise. Does that make me a raging lunatic? I would think not. I prefer as Russman said,

RuSsMaN wrote:

It's not about conspiracy theories, voodoo and doodoo, etc for me.

It's about being informed, and hearing / seeing multiple views on the subject, and then forming my own opinion on the information gathered.

that I'm not here to start a conspiracy theory talk. I just don't believe the story that was originally told to us. If you think otherwise, as you so vehemently appear, good for you. There is no reason to attack a person's views, because it only shows weakness.

From PolkyThug, I find this interesting:

NIST wrote:

12. Did the NIST investigation look for evidence of the WTC towers being brought down by controlled demolition? Was the steel tested for explosives or thermite residues? The combination of thermite and sulfur (called thermate) "slices through steel like a hot knife through butter."

NIST did not test for the residue of these compounds in the steel

They clearly state they didn't look into the testing of thermite, so how can they state that they know fully it didn't exist? I'm sorry, just too many holes in their responses to make me believe them.

bobman1235 wrote:

I love how you accuse me of listening to everything the media tells me, when you're listening to everything one stupid independently produced WEB video is telling YOU. I don't inherently trust ANYTHING, I listen to what's out there and use my own LOGIC to make my point of view. And my logic on this tells me that there's "evidence" on both sides of the argument, most or all of it can be easily explained away, and what your'e left with is that there's no way that a conspiracy of that large a proportion could be kept secret. No. Possible. Way. The only conspiracy you could possibly entertain is that a few high-ranking people in our government funded terrorists to fly planes into buildings - I don't beleive that, but at least it would be SOMEWHAT feasible in a logistics sense - but all this stuff about "there were no planes" and the WTC was taken down by controlled demolition just doesn't make sense if you actually think about how it would have to have happened, and the ridiculous number of people who would have to be involved.

You are really showing ignorance here, by telling me that I'm only listening to everything one stupid WEB video is telling me. Do you have any idea how much research I've conducted on 9/11? Who I've spoken with, interviewed, read regarding 9/11 and the aftermath? Please limit your comments about my lack of knowledge on this topic, or any topic, until you know what you are talking about. Thank you.

MrNightly

Demiurge wrote:

You guys nailed it! You've exposed the world's biggest conspiracy -- between bong pulls, and Hot Pocket drippings on your exposed testicles, as you sit at the computer in your stained underwear -- you can now say you're the smartest people in the world. :rolleyes:

News flash -- there's a reason even the left wingers in the media are laughing at these morons. Do the world a favor and end yourselves. What, not compassionate? It's about the same amount of compassion you've shown the people who lost their lives on that day by peddling this ****.

I don't know who's claiming to be the smartest people in the world. I know, I for one, am not. What's eating you today?

Once again, why the attack on people, just because of different views? If you do the research, and can't see the other side of the story, than more power to you. If, on the other hand, you start out to prove them wrong, watch out, you might have your eyes opened and see the world in a different light.

Regarding compassion for those that lost their lives, my heart goes out to them. You claim that by, "peddling this ****" people have no compassion, that's the craziest argument I've ever heard. The victims of the crime,(act of terrorism, what have you) have nothing to do with seeking the truth. How does, if the buildings were brought down by controlled explosives or by a structural fire, have anything to do with compassion? I simply want the truth on what happened, and those responsible bought to justice!!!

Demiurge

MrNightly wrote:

I don't know who's claiming to be the smartest people in the world. I know, I for one, am not. What's eating you today?

Once again, why the attack on people, just because of different views? If you do the research, and can't see the other side of the story, than more power to you. If, on the other hand, you start out to prove them wrong, watch out, you might have your eyes opened and see the world in a different light.

Regarding compassion for those that lost their lives, my heart goes out to them. You claim that by, "peddling this ****" people have no compassion, that's the craziest argument I've ever heard. The victims of the crime,(act of terrorism, what have you) have nothing to do with seeking the truth. How does, if the buildings were brought down by controlled explosives or by a structural fire, have anything to do with compassion? I simply want the truth on what happened, and those responsible bought to justice!!!

What's eating me? I'm dumbfounded that there are really people out there that will believe anything that's fed to them, no matter who is feeding it. You claim the rest of the world of being blinded by the news media. Me? I like to call it common sense. You're the only one trying to convince yourself that reality didn't occur.

It's impossible to argue with folks such as yourself, because with conspiracy nuts anything is possible if they want to believe it. There's always an excuse, even when dealing with fact. There's absolutely nothing that would satisfy you -- nothing. There's no truth in the world you're living in, so why would anyone bother? For those that want to waste their time trying to rationalize with the irrational there are a whole bunch of sites out there dedicated to debunking those videos. Why not believe them? Is it maybe because you want to believe something is amiss? I think that's truly what it has to be.

As far as the people who lost their lives. You're claiming the goverment was involved. That's called treason. You're a frickin' dope if you believe that, I'm sorry. There's no Democrat or Republican in elected office that would devise such a plan, and there's no military body or otherwise that would implement and go along with it. There would be too many people involved, as bobman has already pointed out.

You do realize that Osama bin Laden attacked the World Trade Center before, and bombed the U.S.S. Cole, right? How do you explain that one? Conspiracy too? That's why there's no point in arguing with you. You'll deny anything and everything.

Have fun with this thread.

VR3

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

Probally totally off topic, but its great stuff none the less.

PolkThug

Maybe Larry Silverstein had all the buildings prewired for demo for use at a later date. The planes accidently triggered what was set up.

millerman 3732

Did I here right that the guy that got the lease to THE FREAKIN WORLD TRADE CENTER got them for 15 million bucks, hell sports teams and stadiums go for more than that, alot more, then turned around and made 7 billion off the insurance. sounds alittle strange.

disneyjoe7

PhantomOG wrote:

If we lived in China I'd be that weary of the "News"

Heck I live in America and I'm weary of the news.

bobman1235

MrNightly wrote:

I am surprised you watched all 1hr, 30 minutes of it. It took me until today to finish it, so with you responding within a few hours of the original post, I simply assumed you didn't watch the entire video. Pardon my assumption.

.....

that I'm not here to start a conspiracy theory talk. I just don't believe the story that was originally told to us. If you think otherwise, as you so vehemently appear, good for you. There is no reason to attack a person's views, because it only shows weakness.

.....

You are really showing ignorance here, by telling me that I'm only listening to everything one stupid WEB video is telling me. Do you have any idea how much research I've conducted on 9/11? Who I've spoken with, interviewed, read regarding 9/11 and the aftermath? Please limit your comments about my lack of knowledge on this topic, or any topic, until you know what you are talking about. Thank you.

I don't know why I'm still responding, because as Demi said, you will keep debating until we tell you what you want to hear. But regardless, some quick points in my own defense -
1. I watched the video before you had posted it, that's why I knew it so quickly. These videos disgust me, because they pray on the weak-minded who are just looking for any excuse to blame America and Americans for everything wrong with the world, including attacks on our own soil. But I watch teh video anwyays, just to see how truly far we've fallen.

2. There actually is a reason to attack a person's personal views, and that's when they are flawed, and silly. I'm sorry that you don't see that, but if I ran around claiming that the government is reading my thoughts via satellite unless I wore an aluminum foil helmet, I would expect to be made fun of. You're claiming there are thousands of Americans in positions of power who have no problem KILLING thousands of other Americans in cold blood for some secret nefarious plot, AND that this vast conspiracy has gone completely unnoticed by anyone but a few bloggers. I find that ridiculous enough to mock.

3. Regarding you listening to what one stupid web video told you, you made the EXACT SAME assumption about me, with absolutely no backing. YOu said I believed "everything the news media spoon fed me", based on the fact that I think this video and those of its ilk are ridiculous. Hypocrite much?

I have a feeling this thread is not long for this world, but it's been fun anyways.

MrNightly

bobman1235 wrote:

I don't know why I'm still responding, because as Demi said, you will keep debating until we tell you what you want to hear. But regardless, some quick points in my own defense -
1. I watched the video before you had posted it, that's why I knew it so quickly. These videos disgust me, because they pray on the weak-minded who are just looking for any excuse to blame America and Americans for everything wrong with the world, including attacks on our own soil. But I watch teh video anwyays, just to see how truly far we've fallen.

First off, I didn't post it. Maz did. I never said what I believed, if it was the government or what. But you and Demi seem extremely eager to label me a, "Conspiracy Nut." Whatever. Call me whatever you wish, I just am trying to keep an open mind about things.

bobman1235 wrote:

2. There actually is a reason to attack a person's personal views, and that's when they are flawed, and silly. I'm sorry that you don't see that, but if I ran around claiming that the government is reading my thoughts via satellite unless I wore an aluminum foil helmet, I would expect to be made fun of. You're claiming there are thousands of Americans in positions of power who have no problem KILLING thousands of other Americans in cold blood for some secret nefarious plot, AND that this vast conspiracy has gone completely unnoticed by anyone but a few bloggers. I find that ridiculous enough to mock.

Anyone but a few bloggers? Again, you should really know what you are saying before you type things. I'm not trying to be an **** by saying that, but there are Engineers, Physicists, Doctors, and more that agree with, to a certain extent, the theory of controlled explosives in the three towers that fell. Hardly your hard-core group of Bloggers. Trust me, I've seen plenty of those shaddy sights, with non-sense pouring forth. Who I take interest in, are those that have nothing to gain, and everything to lose by their stances.

Please, explain to me why the Major of NYC didn't run to his air-tight safe house in WTC 7 where by protocol he was to be in the event of a disaster? And why did WTC 7 fall? Because of a small fire in the building? In all honesty, WTC 7 was what started my search for anything behind 9/11. Explain to me about WTC 7 and why it took 3+ years for the "Professionals" to reach a verdict on what caused it to fall.

bobman1235 wrote:

3. Regarding you listening to what one stupid web video told you, you made the EXACT SAME assumption about me, with absolutely no backing. You said I believed "everything the news media spoon fed me", based on the fact that I think this video and those of its ilk are ridiculous. Hypocrite much?

I have a feeling this thread is not long for this world, but it's been fun anyways.

Actually, I asked a question regarding the "Media." I never said you DID believe everything they said, I said, DO you believe everything they say? Big difference than the hypocrisy you are accusing me of.

Regardless, I'm not here to pick a fight. I didn't start this thread. I just know from all the time and energy I've put into studying the events, it's an area of extreme interest for me.

Dennis Gardner

As interesting as they are, I find grand conspiracies about 9/11, Katrina levies, etc. by our government laughable considering how totally inept the government has been on intelligence prior to 9/11, how little the CIA, FBI, NSA, Secret Service, and all armed forces communicated the intelligence they had. Even the local NYPD and FDNY egos kept them seperated and still do. The Clinton white house was more interested in taking all the Ws off the White House computers than they were about terrorist attacks.

Governments local, state or national, that change power as quickly as ours will never be able put together such elaborate, cohesive, secret, successful missions. Now give a couple dozens religious zealots the crazy beliefs that they possess and a system as flawed in intelligence and creativity as ours and you have a nation prime for occasional attacks. Even Hollywood movies get it right more often than the feds.

mrbigbluelight

Demiurge wrote:

As far as the people who lost their lives. You're claiming the goverment was involved. That's called treason. You're a frickin' dope if you believe that, I'm sorry. There's no Democrat or Republican in elected office that would devise such a plan, and there's no military body or otherwise that would implement and go along with it. There would be too many people involved, as bobman has already pointed out.

Demiurge, prior to the end of the Cold War, do you believe that the CIA really had such masive lapses in intelligence that they weren't WELL aware that the Soviet Union was NOT the threat that we were led to believe by our media and our government ?
Of course there was no such lapse in intelligence; the Soviet Union had DIRT ROADS that were called highways. Yet I, for one, did not correctly identify the Soviet Union for what it was: barely above a 3d World country.

Recall the uproar when Ted Turner went to the USSR as a private citizen and returning, saying "The Soviet Union is not a threat" ?
At the time, he was called, among other things, a "traitor" and an "idiot".

As to the question of would our government plan such an event as the collapse of the WTC's ?
Perhaps. Perhaps not.
More importantly, would our government STAND BY while such an event was planned and carried out ?
A stronger perhaps. A weaker perhaps not.

"Outrageous !", a reasonable person may feel.
Yet, I say, why ?
Refer to the documentation on our government's possible "turn a blind eye" policy to the Japancese attack on Pearl Harbor.
It is not just idiots, fools, and the weak-minded who have some justification for feeling that is what our government did.

And you say that there is no military body that would implement or go along with such a plan ?

I'll let you, or others, do the research but the military is capable and HAS DONE such planning in the past. Specifically, with using planes loaded with American passengers crashing into skyscrapers to sway American public opinion.

That is, without ANY fear of being incorrect, the ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

Believe it ?

Do a little googling.

As Dorothy did in the Wizard of Oz, dare to look behind the curtain.

opus

Mr Blue,

I am not real good posting pictures so could you post a picture of a cat holding a cuckoo clock for me. I will edit and add in the caption later.;)

Demiurge

mrbigbluelight wrote:

Demiurge, prior to the end of the Cold War, do you believe that the CIA really had such masive lapses in intelligence that they weren't WELL aware that the Soviet Union was NOT the threat that we were led to believe by our media and our government ?
Of course there was no such lapse in intelligence; the Soviet Union had DIRT ROADS that were called highways. Yet I, for one, did not correctly identify the Soviet Union for what it was: barely above a 3d World country.

Recall the uproar when Ted Turner went to the USSR as a private citizen and returning, saying "The Soviet Union is not a threat" ?
At the time, he was called, among other things, a "traitor" and an "idiot".

As to the question of would our government plan such an event as the collapse of the WTC's ?
Perhaps. Perhaps not.
More importantly, would our government STAND BY while such an event was planned and carried out ?
A stronger perhaps. A weaker perhaps not.

"Outrageous !", a reasonable person may feel.
Yet, I say, why ?
Refer to the documentation on our government's possible "turn a blind eye" policy to the Japancese attack on Pearl Harbor.
It is not just idiots, fools, and the weak-minded who have some justification for feeling that is what our government did.

And you say that there is no military body that would implement or go along with such a plan ?

I'll let you, or others, do the research but the military is capable and HAS DONE such planning in the past. Specifically, with using planes loaded with American passengers crashing into skyscrapers to sway American public opinion.

That is, without ANY fear of being incorrect, the ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

Believe it ?

Do a little googling.

As Dorothy did in the Wizard of Oz, dare to look behind the curtain.

Did you even say anything in this post, or was it all hyperbole with no emphasis on fact, but rather pure emotional speculation? That's all conspiracy nuts have.

Your Monday morning quarterbacking is wonderful. There's a difference between a failure, and willfully allowing something bad to happen. Direct threats? Lets take Clinton for example, what reasoning did he have to take any of the threats and chatter 100% seriously in regards to attacks on U.S. soil? They never acted on their threats on U.S. soil in the past, and thus it's not as great of a concern if they have. Should they have implemented safeguards? Yes, because he had acted in the past around the globe on U.S. interests. That's where his big red mark is on his record. I don't for one second believe it was intentional. Either way I doubt we would have ever been elevated to the level of awareness we have today that would have prevented 9/11 save from actually going directly after AQ.

I'm sorry if you don't like the response, but you've gotta be off your meds to believe the stuff you're saying. You either have way too imaginative a mind, or you've read too many books of fiction, and watched too many Hollywood movies. Take a few hours each day to spend in reality or you're going to spin right off this effin' planet.

Demiurge

MrNightly wrote:

First off, I didn't post it. Maz did. I never said what I believed, if it was the government or what. But you and Demi seem extremely eager to label me a, "Conspiracy Nut." Whatever. Call me whatever you wish, I just am trying to keep an open mind about things.

For the record, you've made posts like this before. You definitely are into the conspiracies. If you want to deny it I'll be glad to post some links to some of your other posts.

jdhdiggs

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

'Nuff Said...

Edit: Dangit, Sid beat me to it...

Anyway, NIST didn't test for thermite because THEY KNOW MAN, THEY KNOW!!!!! (that it wasn't involved)

I think it was Batman!

I do find it interesting that I have not found one civil, structural, mechanical, or demolitions engineer say it was a controlled demolition. Gotta love the cool-aid...

What was the motive? Collect Insurance? BS, the developer knew he'd be fighting an uphill memorial battle. Go to war in Iraq? We had enough broken UN resolutions to do that at anytime before 9/11. To go after bin Laden? We had enough evidence already.

Where is the motive to do this? How about the complexity of the operation and to keep everyone silent? If it was a plot by conservatives or liberals, don't you think there would have been at least 1 high level leak? After all, the news broadcasts our battle plans the day before the attack and yet they can't find any dirt on a conspiracy? Yeah, right...

It's called common sense, look into it.

mrbigbluelight

Demiurge wrote:

Did you even say anything in this post, or was it all hyperbole with no emphasis on fact, but rather pure emotional speculation? That's all conspiracy nuts have.

Plenty of fact and just plain truth.

Our government/military willing to slaughter their own citizens (among others) to influence public opinion ?
I had to look through my "stuff" to find some sources for that statement that I made.

Oh, I could post this link to a very interesting video from Alex Jones.
"ALEX JONES !!! WHAT A KOOK ! HE'S OBVIOUSLY A NUT !!!!".
A resonable person may have that opinion.
For proof of his conspiracy kookiness, here's a link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5948263607579389947

See: what a nut !

One problem, though; everything he says is documented.

The same military plan to sacrifice civilians mentioned in the Alex Jones video was also "revealed" by ABC News:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=


N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001 In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban

PhantomOG

They should have tested for mentos and diet coke... I just know that had something do with it, or else they would have tested for it.

Seriously, can you prove to me that you DID NOT eat a dead unicorn for dinner on Jan 15, 1986??? I thought so. Damn unicorn eaters.