Tube Amp or Solid State
jhermance
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Ok starting this over for a set of bookshelf speakers which would be better. for something along the lines of Lsi9's.
Samsung UN46C7000
Cambridge Audio 640R
Sony BDP-S570
Magnepan MMG's
Totem Dreamcatcher Center
Eleganza Bella 1200 High Performance Subwoofer
Polk R15 Surrounds
Audioquest Cables
Panamax 5510-PRO AC Regenerator
Monster Cable HTS 2500 MKII power cleaner
Nordost Blue Heaven Interconnects
Cambridge Audio 640R
Sony BDP-S570
Magnepan MMG's
Totem Dreamcatcher Center
Eleganza Bella 1200 High Performance Subwoofer
Polk R15 Surrounds
Audioquest Cables
Panamax 5510-PRO AC Regenerator
Monster Cable HTS 2500 MKII power cleaner
Nordost Blue Heaven Interconnects
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Raise shields Mr. Sulu.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country!
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Ok did i say something wrong in that post. Just looking for help. Trying to understand the difference between the 2 types of amps.Samsung UN46C7000
Cambridge Audio 640R
Sony BDP-S570
Magnepan MMG's
Totem Dreamcatcher Center
Eleganza Bella 1200 High Performance Subwoofer
Polk R15 Surrounds
Audioquest Cables
Panamax 5510-PRO AC Regenerator
Monster Cable HTS 2500 MKII power cleaner
Nordost Blue Heaven Interconnects -
Let the battle begin... this should be fun and hopefully educating to watch!
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why is it a big deal to ask this question? Simple, solid state amps to power these type speakers.. to get a tube amp to properly power those speakers is gonna cost you alot.
if you want to dabble in tubes.. get a tube pre and/or cdp
common amps to think about is Parasound, Nad, adcom.. to name a few..MY HT RIG:
Sherwood p-965
Sherwood sd871 dvd
Rotel 1075 amp x5
LSI15 mains
LsiC center
LSIfx surround backs
Lsi7 side surrounds
SVS pb12/plus2
2 Channel Rig:
nad 1020 Pre-amp
Rotel 1080 stereo amp
Polk sda 2B
kenwood grunt Tuner
realistic lab 450 TT
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jhermance wrote:Ok did i say something wrong in that post. Just looking for help. Trying to understand the quality difference between the 2 types of amps.
No, you didn't say anything wrong. The tube amp vs. solid state amp is a huge topic of debate in audio. There are tons of info on the web and lots of enthusiasts of both persuasions here on the forum. I like them both, for different reasons and musical applications.
Set aside a couple of weeks for reading and then Google "tube amp vs. solid state amp". Enjoy.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
Ok thanks. any suggestions for a tube cdp within a reasonable price range around $500 if possible.Samsung UN46C7000
Cambridge Audio 640R
Sony BDP-S570
Magnepan MMG's
Totem Dreamcatcher Center
Eleganza Bella 1200 High Performance Subwoofer
Polk R15 Surrounds
Audioquest Cables
Panamax 5510-PRO AC Regenerator
Monster Cable HTS 2500 MKII power cleaner
Nordost Blue Heaven Interconnects -
Faster is right. No fight here if you're gonna use Lsi9's. The only thing I'll add is that if you plan to play those speakers only at low to moderate levels, then consider a tube amp or tube int. amp. Otherwise, go SS for your amp.HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50 LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub
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Solid State.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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faster100 wrote:Simple, solid state amps to power these type speakers.. to get a tube amp to properly power those speakers is gonna cost you alot.Audio: Polk S15 * Polk S35 * Polk S10 * SVS SB-1000 Pro
HT: Samsung QN90B * Marantz NR1510 * Panasonic DMP-BDT220 * Roku Ultra LT * APC H10 -
Halo wrote:Not true. I have two different tube amps that will drive LSi's with ease.Audio: Polk S15 * Polk S35 * Polk S10 * SVS SB-1000 Pro
HT: Samsung QN90B * Marantz NR1510 * Panasonic DMP-BDT220 * Roku Ultra LT * APC H10 -
jhermance wrote:Ok thanks. any suggestions for a tube cdp within a reasonable price range around $500 if possible.Audio: Polk S15 * Polk S35 * Polk S10 * SVS SB-1000 Pro
HT: Samsung QN90B * Marantz NR1510 * Panasonic DMP-BDT220 * Roku Ultra LT * APC H10 -
I will keep my eye's open for a used one.Samsung UN46C7000
Cambridge Audio 640R
Sony BDP-S570
Magnepan MMG's
Totem Dreamcatcher Center
Eleganza Bella 1200 High Performance Subwoofer
Polk R15 Surrounds
Audioquest Cables
Panamax 5510-PRO AC Regenerator
Monster Cable HTS 2500 MKII power cleaner
Nordost Blue Heaven Interconnects -
keep the Jolida JD100 on the list for tubed cd players, I love mine, and its possible to score one for 500 used if you look hard enough.Living Room 2 Channel -
Schiit SYS Passive Pre. Jolida CD player. Songbird streamer. California Audio Labs Sigma II DAC, DIY 300as1/a1 Ice modules Class D amp. LSi15 with MM842 woofer upgrade, Nordost Blue Heaven and Unity interconnects.
Upstairs 2 Channel Rig -
Prometheus Ref. TVC passive pre, SAE A-205 Amp, Wiim pro streamer and Topping E50 DAC, California Audio Labs DX1 CD player, Von Schweikert VR3.5 speakers.
Studio Rig - Scarlett 18i20(Gen3) DAW, Mac Mini, Aiyma A07 Max (BridgedX2), Totem Mites -
jhermance wrote:Ok starting this over for a set of bookshelf speakers which would be better. for something along the lines of Lsi9's.
eeeesh, thats a tough question to answer definitivly. for music I lean toward tube amplification, but for movies, and when I like to shake my house with music or movies, I go with solid state. Luckily I have access to both.
ss in the theater, tubes in the 2 channel.
ultimatly, your going to have to experience both and develope your own opinion. start saving the shecklesLiving Room 2 Channel -
Schiit SYS Passive Pre. Jolida CD player. Songbird streamer. California Audio Labs Sigma II DAC, DIY 300as1/a1 Ice modules Class D amp. LSi15 with MM842 woofer upgrade, Nordost Blue Heaven and Unity interconnects.
Upstairs 2 Channel Rig -
Prometheus Ref. TVC passive pre, SAE A-205 Amp, Wiim pro streamer and Topping E50 DAC, California Audio Labs DX1 CD player, Von Schweikert VR3.5 speakers.
Studio Rig - Scarlett 18i20(Gen3) DAW, Mac Mini, Aiyma A07 Max (BridgedX2), Totem Mites -
I've run a set of LSi7's on a couple 20wpc tube amps...for less than <$400.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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well the difference between listening to lsi's on small tubes and getting the most of is subjective..
I used my 5 watt sonic impact on a set of sda 1B's and they sounded good, optimal ? NOMY HT RIG:
Sherwood p-965
Sherwood sd871 dvd
Rotel 1075 amp x5
LSI15 mains
LsiC center
LSIfx surround backs
Lsi7 side surrounds
SVS pb12/plus2
2 Channel Rig:
nad 1020 Pre-amp
Rotel 1080 stereo amp
Polk sda 2B
kenwood grunt Tuner
realistic lab 450 TT
Signal cable IC -
It was near-field and it was plenty, sorry you're gear didn't cut it.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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I have looked into these amps any thoughts on them
Mcintosh mc7100
Rotel 1080, 1075
outlaw audio 220m
any other's i should look into?Samsung UN46C7000
Cambridge Audio 640R
Sony BDP-S570
Magnepan MMG's
Totem Dreamcatcher Center
Eleganza Bella 1200 High Performance Subwoofer
Polk R15 Surrounds
Audioquest Cables
Panamax 5510-PRO AC Regenerator
Monster Cable HTS 2500 MKII power cleaner
Nordost Blue Heaven Interconnects -
Parasound Halo or Classic.Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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I powered my Lsi9's with a 50WPC tube amp and it sounded fantastic.
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True mark, if you have **** Gear like me.. don't try tubes on lsi's.. :rolleyes:
If ya want it loud, and your rigs not in a crawl space.. Get SSMY HT RIG:
Sherwood p-965
Sherwood sd871 dvd
Rotel 1075 amp x5
LSI15 mains
LsiC center
LSIfx surround backs
Lsi7 side surrounds
SVS pb12/plus2
2 Channel Rig:
nad 1020 Pre-amp
Rotel 1080 stereo amp
Polk sda 2B
kenwood grunt Tuner
realistic lab 450 TT
Signal cable IC -
Get both. biamp the lsi's. tube for tweeters,ss for woofers. that way you can retain the warm sound of tubes and still get the dynamic slam of ss.SRT For Life; SDA Forever!
The SRT SEISMIC System:
Four main satellite speakers, six powered subs, two dedicated for LFE channel, two center speakers for over/under screen placement and three Control Centers. Amaze your friends, terrorize your neighbors, seize the audio bragging rights for your state. Go ahead, buy it; you only go around once. -
jhermance wrote:I have looked into these amps any thoughts on them
Mcintosh mc7100
Rotel 1080, 1075
outlaw audio 220m
any other's i should look into?
Parasound Halo A21 or A23. Probably wouldn't notice much of any difference between the two amps with the LSi9's. Used A21's are usually around somewhere for $1200 or less, but I think it's an overkill amp for the speakers. -
Are sophia electric baby amps any good?Samsung UN46C7000
Cambridge Audio 640R
Sony BDP-S570
Magnepan MMG's
Totem Dreamcatcher Center
Eleganza Bella 1200 High Performance Subwoofer
Polk R15 Surrounds
Audioquest Cables
Panamax 5510-PRO AC Regenerator
Monster Cable HTS 2500 MKII power cleaner
Nordost Blue Heaven Interconnects -
jhermance wrote:Are sophia electric baby amps any good?
Not for the LSi line. Tube amps in the 50-100 watt range will be nice with the LSi 7. The 9s deserve even more.
Personally, I like tube preamps with solid state amp for most Polks. You can crank until the wife or neighbors complain then.HT Optoma HD25 LV on 80" DIY Screen, Anthem MRX 300 Receiver, Pioneer Elite BDP 51FD Polk CS350LS, Polk SDA1C, Polk FX300, Polk RT55, Dual EBS Adire Shiva 320watt tuned to 17hz, ICs-DIY Twisted Prs, Speaker-Raymond Cable
2 Channel Thorens TD 318 Grado ZF1, SACD/CD Marantz 8260, Soundstream/Krell DAC1, Audio Mirror PP1, Odyssey Stratos, ADS L-1290, ICs-DIY Twisted , Speaker-Raymond Cable -
Dennis Gardner wrote:Personally, I like tube preamps with solid state amp for most Polks. You can crank until the wife or neighbors complain then.
6 months or so ago....
Neighbors never complain yet, my wife has left the house.... I then crank until a blow something up (Polk Crossover) lessen learned a tad lower from now on :rolleyes:
Speakers
Carver Amazing Fronts
CS400i Center
RT800i's Rears
Sub Paradigm Servo 15
Electronics
Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
Parasound Halo A23
Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
Pioneer 79Avi DVD
Sony CX400 CD changer
Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR -
jhermance wrote:I have looked into these amps any thoughts on them
Mcintosh mc7100
Rotel 1080, 1075
outlaw audio 220m
any other's i should look into?
Based on your other post, I assume you will be using the bookshelves for 2 channel. If so, the Rotel would probably be your best price-performance ratio of those 3. I have the Outlaw, very good for theater use but too neutral(sterile) for music imho. The Mac would be heads and shoulders above everything else, but at those prices I would get better speakers in the first place. The Rotel would work well and they can be had used at Agon or Ebay affordably.
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actualy i have found the mcintosh mc7100 for less than the rotel 1080Samsung UN46C7000
Cambridge Audio 640R
Sony BDP-S570
Magnepan MMG's
Totem Dreamcatcher Center
Eleganza Bella 1200 High Performance Subwoofer
Polk R15 Surrounds
Audioquest Cables
Panamax 5510-PRO AC Regenerator
Monster Cable HTS 2500 MKII power cleaner
Nordost Blue Heaven Interconnects -
Take a serious look at amps from Conrad-Johnson, BAT and Classe. They all make very nice gear.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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The LSi's need lots of SS power. I tried my LSi9's and 7's with a 50 wpc tube amp and wasn't very impressed. Even though my typical play level is much less than many here I was totally unsatisfied with the output level. The LSi's really respond nicely to megawatt power.
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Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want...