Should I?

shack

IMO life is too short to dwell on stuff that happened in the past. I doubt seriously that any good will come of you opening this back up. Some say you need to do it for the good of others. If you want to be a martyr...have at it. I would move on.

mrbigbluelight

With the old adage in mind of "Revenge is a dish best served cold", I'd say that you should "let it go".

If you wrestle with pigs (no pun intended) you have to expect to get dirty.

Let it go.

There are some folks that are NOW willing to state that they were "forced" to write what was dictated to them, things that affected you and your wife and your unborn child.

How "nice" of them.
They didn't come forward when it might have affected them, so they kept quiet.
Which means that this scenario HAS to be taking place:
"Gee, fellow spineless pieces of crap, Chief Gargleballs is fugging with us the same way he did with David ! And it doesn't look like Chief G is going to let up on us anytime soon !! You know what, we could get rid of Chief G and make our lives easier if we could get David to come back long enough to file a lawsuit or something to get rid of Chief G !!".

My opinion: those spineless pieces of crap now should be allowed to fester and waste away in the cesspool THEY were instrumental in making. They want to escape from the crap that surely exists and has grown worse since you left. So if that's what THEY want to do, let THEM.
Don't do their dirty work for them.
In the meantime, you keep moving forward and don't look back. You have a very nice family, a nice life, so have some fun !
And be content in the knowledge that you'll be extracting the highest level of revenge by ..... doing nothing.

ESavinon

If it was me involved in this situation, I would file a complaint with the city,state and federal eeo office, retain a lawyer and sue to get back pay,lost wages and the removal of such person from the police force.

I would not tolerate any kind of abuse,misuse of authority from anyone anywhere. Your situation is not about revenge, it's about justice
and fairness.

What the hell has happened to us americans lately?
We've become too complacent,too spineless.
40 years ago we would had fought till bloody for employment rights.
These days i see people get belittled,bullied some even fired just for the heck of it and no one does anything.
It's time for you to protect and fight for the few remaining rights we have left in the workforce.
This is my .2 cents. Now go and make it a dollar.

danger boy

if it were me.. i'd post those pics of him with that hooker from last years party and send them to his wife too. LOL


JK!


move on. You're in a better place.. and you seem to enjoy the less stress this new position has brought you. You'll gain very little by giving your input 10 months after the fact. It may make you feel good, but that wouldn't be much to be proud of.

Then go get hammered at your local watering hole.. (but have a designated driver of course).

MrNightly

The wife thinks that it would be very bad to have my fellow ex-employee's sign on board, because most likely they'd end up losing their jobs. That was her take on this deal. She would love to have the LT brought down (Heard yesterday that he made Captain already... he went from PO less than 2 years ago to Cap. today. PO, SGT, LT and now CAP. Amazing)

I wanted to touch on a couple of the points made from both sides. I can see the entire picture, and there are aspects of both that I agree with. First off, I have moved on. Life sucked when all that shite was happening, but what's the point in rehashing what will probably amount to nothing? My family is the best, I'm super happy and the career field looks wide open at this point in time. If it ain't broke, don't fix it eh?

On the other hand, this isn't about revenge. I see it about Justice, Liberty and the rights that our forefathers fought so hard to give us. I will be bullied by no one and it runs in my blood to stand for what's right. What happened was unjust, unethical and straight down wrong. If I don't take a stand, who will? If men and women just allow themselves to be run over in this world, where will our new leaders come from? We don't grow through the easy times, it's only when the going gets rough, do we actually mature and our true identites begin to take mold. Freedom must be defended!!

Having said that, I believe I need to think smarter here, not harder. I usually listen to the wife, and she really wasn't behind me 100% in my endeavor. Since it would involve her as well, as Cathy stated, I have to consider what she will go through. At this time in life, it just isn't what's best for the family. As much as it goes against my nature to walk away from the path of truth and justice, I feel that I will be a bigger man by doing so.

Those are my thoughts today. Who knows, a letter may be send to the City, and the PD next week

halo

ESAVINON wrote:

What the hell has happened to us americans lately?
We've become too complacent,too spineless.
40 years ago we would had fought till bloody for employment rights.
These days i see people get belittled,bullied some even fired just for the heck of it and no one does anything.
It's time for you to protect and fight for the few remaining rights we have left in the workforce.
This is my .2 cents. Now go and make it a dollar.

I agree with you but times have changed. Companies are no longer taking care of their employees. Our parents had pension plans. We've got 401K's that don't mean dick (think Enron). The companies used to believe that a happy worker made a better product. Now all they care about is the bottom line. Now they want you to be thankfull that you even have a job. People are scared to step out of line because they know there is a long line of people waiting to step in and take it away from them. Senoirity used to be a good thing. Now you have to worry that they'll find some kid to do your job for a lot le$$ or, even worse, you're job position will be outsourced to another counrty. Constantly cutting healthcare benefits and, thanks to cell phones, you're on call like a fricken doctor. That's my $.02.

cfrizz

And this folks is the sad unadulterated truth of todays workplace! If there weren't federally mandated work laws in place it would be even worse!:(

Halo wrote:

I agree with you but times have changed. Companies are no longer taking care of their employees. Our parents had pension plans. We've got 401K's that don't mean dick (think Enron). The companies used to believe that a happy worker made a better product. Now all they care about is the bottom line. Now they want you to be thankfull that you even have a job. People are scared to step out of line because they know there is a long line of people waiting to step in and take it away from them. Senoirity used to be a good thing. Now you have to worry that they'll find some kid to do your job for a lot le$$ or, even worse, you're job position will be outsourced to another counrty. Constantly cutting healthcare benefits and, thanks to cell phones, you're on call like a fricken doctor. That's my $.02.

cfrizz

I think you have made the smartest decision!

It gets my goat as well, but trust me he WILL end up being taken down! I have been with my job for 25 yrs & I have lost count off all the people who thought they were the be all to end all & they are now history & have been for years!!! And when they were brought down they landed so hard the building shook!

So just live & enjoy your good life & keep half an ear peeled & one day you will hear the crash & enjoy the last laugh! BTW nice family you've got there!:)

MrNightly wrote:

The wife thinks that it would be very bad to have my fellow ex-employee's sign on board, because most likely they'd end up losing their jobs. That was her take on this deal. She would love to have the LT brought down (Heard yesterday that he made Captain already... he went from PO less than 2 years ago to Cap. today. PO, SGT, LT and now CAP. Amazing)

I wanted to touch on a couple of the points made from both sides. I can see the entire picture, and there are aspects of both that I agree with. First off, I have moved on. Life sucked when all that shite was happening, but what's the point in rehashing what will probably amount to nothing? My family is the best, I'm super happy and the career field looks wide open at this point in time. If it ain't broke, don't fix it eh?

On the other hand, this isn't about revenge. I see it about Justice, Liberty and the rights that our forefathers fought so hard to give us. I will be bullied by no one and it runs in my blood to stand for what's right. What happened was unjust, unethical and straight down wrong. If I don't take a stand, who will? If men and women just allow themselves to be run over in this world, where will our new leaders come from? We don't grow through the easy times, it's only when the going gets rough, do we actually mature and our true identites begin to take mold. Freedom must be defended!!

Having said that, I believe I need to think smarter here, not harder. I usually listen to the wife, and she really wasn't behind me 100% in my endeavor. Since it would involve her as well, as Cathy stated, I have to consider what she will go through. At this time in life, it just isn't what's best for the family. As much as it goes against my nature to walk away from the path of truth and justice, I feel that I will be a bigger man by doing so.

Those are my thoughts today. Who knows, a letter may be send to the City, and the PD next week

Demiurge

Halo wrote:

I agree with you but times have changed. Companies are no longer taking care of their employees. Our parents had pension plans. We've got 401K's that don't mean dick (think Enron). The companies used to believe that a happy worker made a better product. Now all they care about is the bottom line. Now they want you to be thankfull that you even have a job. People are scared to step out of line because they know there is a long line of people waiting to step in and take it away from them. Senoirity used to be a good thing. Now you have to worry that they'll find some kid to do your job for a lot le$$ or, even worse, you're job position will be outsourced to another counrty. Constantly cutting healthcare benefits and, thanks to cell phones, you're on call like a fricken doctor. That's my $.02.

401(k)s don't mean dick? Are you nuts? The stock in Enrons 401(k)s was ENRON stock. It wasn't divirsified, and you'd be an idiot to not be divirsified. Granted Enron employees didn't have a choice, and it they were dicked over by Lay and Skilling. 99.9% of all companies offering a 401(k) plan are involved in well divirsified money markets. Agressive for the young, and conservative for the near retired.

As far as pension plans -- those were the real joke. Good for the government that has an endless pit of money to pull from. Bad for companies like GM who are threatened with bankruptcy as the baby boom generation begins retirement. They gave out benefits they can't afford.

Between a pension and a 401(k) with company match I'll take the free money any day from the 401(k) and compounding interest.

A company doesn't have to give you ****, and it's nauseating listening to people talk like they're entitled to all of these benefits. :rolleyes:

People love to **** about how bad they're getting one rubbed off in their rearend, but they never question how much it all costs, and who is paying for it. Not everyone is backed by millions of dollars, in fact most of us aren't.

PolkThug

David,

Put your sunglasses on, Walk into the police station, lean over the counter, look around, then say "I'll be back" with a thick accent. Then walk out.

halo

Demiurge wrote:

A company doesn't have to give you ****, and it's nauseating listening to people talk like they're entitled to all of these benefits. :rolleyes:

People love to **** about how bad they're getting one rubbed off in their rearend, but they never question how much it all costs, and who is paying for it. Not everyone is backed by millions of dollars, in fact most of us aren't.

Are you nuts???I suppose coroporations over inflated "golden parachute" executive salaries and the bottom line have nothing to do with all the things you think employees aren't entitled too. So do you feel the American worker should just go to work, collect the check and that's it? Insuance should come out of your own pocket 100% right? Same for Dental? What, exactly, isn't the American worker entitled to other than a paycheck Demi? Are they entitled to that iyo? Maybe everyone should take a paycut to help out corporate America. Good luck with that one Demi.

PhantomOG

There are plenty of jobs which have awesome benefits--matching (diversified) 401k's, paid health and dental, vacation, etc etc. I as well as most people I associate with have jobs with similar benefits. I'm assuming most people who frequent here also fall into that category.

Can you find a job like this if you drop out of high school and have squat for a skillset? Probably not. Sure, 50 years ago someone like that might be better off, but its not because corporate America is **** them now. Its because we now live in a global economy where most jobs that this dumb@**** could do, can be done by someone else overseas who is willing to work 10 times harder for 1/10 the pay.

If you think its so bad here, take that useless skillset to almost any other country in the world and see how much worse off you would actually be. Pass all the stupid government mandated corporate laws (welfare for the masses) you want -- that will only send even more jobs overseas.

shack

The American worker is entitled to what an employeer is willing to pay, brought about by negotiation either individually or collectively. (By pay I am referring to salary and benefits) It IS the capitalist system. Anything else is socialism.

PhantomOG

shack wrote:

Anything else is socialism.

Unfortunately, it seems like that's what alot of people want. :mad:

Demiurge

Halo wrote:

Are you nuts???I suppose coroporations over inflated "golden parachute" executive salaries and the bottom line have nothing to do with all the things you think employees aren't entitled too. So do you feel the American worker should just go to work, collect the check and that's it? Insuance should come out of your own pocket 100% right? Same for Dental? What, exactly, isn't the American worker entitled to other than a paycheck Demi? Are they entitled to that iyo? Maybe everyone should take a paycut to help out corporate America. Good luck with that one Demi.

No, I run a business, and no, it's not funded by millions of dollars. It's funded by money out of my own pocket. If I was so rich it wouldn't me take me a year and a half to put together a set of LSi speakers to enjoy. Other priorities, just like the employees I have.

If ya'll keep viewing the business world is some gigantic corporate entity you're going to run this country right into the ground. If you want socialism you're already half way there. The little guy is the majority of business in this country, and they were ALL started by someone who took a risk.

I personally don't begrudge the man or woman at the top of a fortune 500 company that makes millions in salary. Why do you? While it's harder to take down a large corporation, they can and do fail. They have huge operating expenses, but all we hear about are the salaries of the execs, and the profits (..but not profit margins, of which Exxon-Mobils is smaller than mine).

Insurance should in no way shape or form be mandated by any government entity. The market corrects itself for those who don't offer it. If we have a societal standard the businees world needs to play by the rules the marketplace is currently running under.

If Company A offers the same salary as Company B, but Company B is the only one that offers health insurance Company A will go out of business if health insurance is an important motivating factor for the marketplace.

The same goes for every other type of benefit. Businesses compete with eachother for employees in a dry market of unemployment. Those who don't meet demands will fail. You don't need the government involved to make the market work.

Sounds like you don't understand how businesses work, and sadly that's most of the country. Corporations are evil, and all get viewed under the same notion that they're huge entities funded by fat cat millionaires who's only interest is to line their own pockets.

opus

Halo wrote:

So do you feel the American worker should just go to work, collect the check and that's it? Insuance should come out of your own pocket 100% right? Same for Dental? What, exactly, isn't the American worker entitled to other than a paycheck Demi? Are they entitled to that iyo? Maybe everyone should take a paycut to help out corporate America. Good luck with that one Demi.

They owe you a Paycheck and a safe work enviroment. (period)

When did it become someone else's problem to fix my teeth? They call them benefits for a reason. Make yourself valuable and they will be given to you so you won't go elsewhere. If your boss is an evil **** or worse yet belongs to corporate America, quit. Still a free country.

For Christ's sakes people go watch a John Wayne movie and grow a pair.:D

bvette94

I say you expose him. There is no room for a crooked cop in this day and age. I say expose him and then sue for wrongful termination. At least go for your lost wages. your whole family suffered while you were unemployed. Consult with an attorney. Maybe you can get him to admit his wrong doing so you can rest knowing you were wronged even if there is no impact on the lt. I say go for it. Consult with the former employees and get their thoughts and Let them know about the hardship their wrongful statements had an impact on you and your family. Learn how this might affect them. use the emotional impact that unemployment had on you and your family as your motivation. just my opinion. good luck with what ever you decide to do.

halo

Demiurge wrote:

it's not funded by millions of dollars.

Never said it was.

Demiurge wrote:

It's funded by money out of my own pocket.

:cool:

Demiurge wrote:

If I was so rich it wouldn't me take me a year and a half to put together a set of LSi speakers to enjoy.

No argument there.

Demiurge wrote:

Other priorities, just like the employees I have.

Incomplete

Demiurge wrote:

If ya'll keep viewing the business world is some gigantic corporate entity you're going to run this country right into the ground.

I think it'll take more than that to do it.

Demiurge wrote:

If you want socialism you're already half way there.

Canada seems to be doing pretty good with it. Maybe we should give it a try.

Demiurge wrote:

The little guy is the majority of business in this country, and they were ALL started by someone who took a risk.

I don't have a problem with the small business owners (unless they get big and forget where they came from).

Demiurge wrote:

I personally don't begrudge the man or woman at the top of a fortune 500 company that makes millions in salary. Why do you?

I don't. It's the 250 vice presidents under him who don't do jack and get paid waaaaaaay too much I have the problem(s) with.

Demiurge wrote:

While it's harder to take down a large corporation, they can and do fail.

The employees get screwed here. Not the golden parachute VP's I referred to.

Demiurge wrote:

They have huge operating expenses, but all we hear about are the salaries of the execs, and the profits

That is all part of running and doing business, no?

Demiurge wrote:

Insurance should in no way shape or form be mandated by any government entity.

When did I say it should (before I suggested giving socialism a try in this post)?

Demiurge wrote:

The market corrects itself for those who don't offer it. If we have a societal standard the businees world needs to play by the rules the marketplace is currently running under.

Sadly, I don't know about business so I'll have to take you're word on that.

Demiurge wrote:

If Company A offers the same salary as Company B, but Company B is the only one that offers health insurance Company A will go out of business if health insurance is an important motivating factor for the marketplace.

Makes sense to me but, sadly, I don't know anything about business.

Demiurge wrote:

The same goes for every other type of benefit. Businesses compete with eachother for employees in a dry market of unemployment. Those who don't meet demands will fail.

Again, sounds good to me but sadly I know nothing about business.

Demiurge wrote:

You don't need the government involved to make the market work.

Never said it until I suggested we try socialism in this post.

Demiurge wrote:

Sounds like you don't understand how businesses work, and sadly that's most of the country.

I didn't go to college and get a degree in business and I dont run a business (does eBay count? If so I'm up on the profit margin thingy) but I have worked for people, companies, and corporations.

Demiurge wrote:

Corporations are evil, and all get viewed under the same notion that they're huge entities funded by fat cat millionaires who's only interest is to line their own pockets.

Couldn't agree more.

Seriously though, do you read my posts all the way through before you respond? Sounds like, sadly, you just skim it and come at me out of nowhere with something I didn't have in my original post.

opus wrote:

They owe you a Paycheck and a safe work enviroment. (period) They call them benefits for a reason.

You're 100% correct.

opus wrote:

Make yourself valuable and they will be given to you so you won't go elsewhere. If your boss is an evil **** or worse yet belongs to corporate America, quit. Still a free country.

If you make yourself valuable they'll outsource you're job. If they wait long enough to do it you'll be too old to get the same job making the same pay and then you're screwed because they'll only be hiring kids (straight out of college) that'll do the same job for le$$.

PhantomOG - Are you talking to me?

PhantomOG wrote:

There are plenty of jobs which have awesome benefits--matching (diversified) 401k's, paid health and dental, vacation, etc etc. I as well as most people I associate with have jobs with similar benefits. I'm assuming most people who frequent here also fall into that category.

Have you been in the job market lately? I think it sucks but I'll agree with the first part about plenty of jobs if it makes you feel better. You know what they say about assumptions don't you?

PhantomOG wrote:

Can you find a job like this if you drop out of high school and have squat for a skillset? Probably not.

Maybe, maybe not.

PhantomOG wrote:

Sure, 50 years ago someone like that might be better off, but its not because corporate America is **** them now.

Did I say it was?

PhantomOG wrote:

Its because we now live in a global economy where most jobs that this dumb@**** could do, can be done by someone else overseas who is willing to work 10 times harder for 1/10 the pay.

Yes, I know. I thought I said that already

Halo wrote:

Now you have to worry that they'll find some kid to do your job for a lot le$$ or, even worse, you're job position will be outsourced to another counrty.

PhantomOG wrote:

If you think its so bad here, take that useless skillset to almost any other country in the world and see how much worse off you would actually be.

Who said I had a useless skill set?

PhantomOG wrote:

Pass all the stupid government mandated corporate laws (welfare for the masses) you want -- that will only send even more jobs overseas.

I'm sorry but that's not up to me bro.

cfrizz wrote:

And this folks is the sad unadulterated truth of todays workplace! If there weren't federally mandated work laws in place it would be even worse!

At least Cathy get's what I'm saying and that's good enough for me

Apologies for the de-rail MrNightly.

Demiurge

All I needed to hear was that you're all for socialism. No sense in arguing with you if you think that's a reasonable direction for the country to go to.

Why would you want to live in a country where the potential to provide for your family, and whatever charities you support isn't limitless?

Hate to use the phrase, but if you like Canada so much, move there. They're not socialist, however, so you wouldn't get the true taste of what that's like. They merely have socialized medicine (which isn't working good at all ).

opus

Halo wrote:

You're 100% correct.If you make yourself valuable they'll outsource you're job. If they wait long enough to do it you'll be too old to get the same job making the same pay and then you're screwed because they'll only be hiring kids (straight out of college) that'll do the same job for le$$.

Halo,

How can I disagree with you and be 100% percent correct?


And then "if you make yourself valuable they will outsource your job".

Uh?

Oh btw I admire your editing/posting capabilities. I have no idea how to quote several people from different posts.:cool: At least you have that going for you.:D

fellow Illini Dittos.....kevin

halo

Demiurge wrote:

All I needed to hear was that you're all for socialism.

I never said I was all for it Demi. Once again you take what you want and twist it.

Demiurge wrote:

No sense in arguing with you if you think that's a reasonable direction for the country to go to.

What we have isn't exactly perfect is it (but what is)?

Demiurge wrote:

Why would you want to live in a country where the potential to provide for your family, and whatever charities you support isn't limitless?

Obviously I'm not an expert on Socialism if I thought Canada was a Socialist country now am I? And, FWIW, I wouldn't want to live that way + I didn't know that's how it is in a Socialist country. France is Socialist right? I have relatives there. They have no issues providing for their families so I don't see your point.

Demiurge wrote:

Hate to use the phrase, but if you like Canada so much, move there. They're not socialist, however, so you wouldn't get the true taste of what that's like.

I've heard that they won't take me because of my medical condition. That and I don't have the capital to just up and move.

Demiurge wrote:

They merely have socialized medicine (which isn't working good at all ).

And ours is? C'mon man.

opus wrote:

Halo,

How can I disagree with you and be 100% percent correct?

I meant you proved your point. You are right and I am wrong here. It would be great if all companies provided their employees with benefits but it isn't realistic. shack made the same point. So both of you are correct.

opus wrote:

And then "if you make yourself valuable they will outsource your job".

Uh?

Did you read my post? I'm saying that if you become a valuable (senior) member of a company, the way things are going today, they will fire you because you make too much money and either outsource your job to another country where it will cost them much le$$ to pay somene to do the same job or they'll hire a kid out of college to do the job for le$$ instead.

opus wrote:

Oh btw I admire your editing/posting capabilities. I have no idea how to quote several people from different posts. At least you have that going for you.

Thanks .

opus

Halo wrote:

.Did you read my post? I'm saying that if you become a valuable (senior) member of a company, the way things are going today, they will fire you because you make too much money and either outsource your job to another country where it will cost them much le$$ to pay somene to do the same job or they'll hire a kid out of college to do the job for le$$ instead. Thanks .

Yeah, ok. I agree with you there.:)

Have a good day everybody

PhantomOG

Halo wrote:

I'm saying that if you become a valuable (senior) member of a company, the way things are going today, they will fire you because you make too much money and either outsource your job to another country where it will cost them much le$$ to pay somene to do the same job or they'll hire a kid out of college to do the job for le$$ instead. Thanks .

If your job can be adequately done by some "kid out of college" you are neither valuable nor senior. :rolleyes:

I just don't understand how someone can live in and reap the benefits of a capitalistic society, and then turn around and expect a socialist job market.

AndyGwis

"To a dark place this line of thinking will take you."

If you just want to get it off your chest, write down your thoughts and then save, burn, throw it in the ocean, whatever. But, don't send it to the LT/Chief unless you want to stir up a hornet's nest for everyone, including yourself and your family.

You've moved on, and, after reading up on everything I understand your frustration and anger, you sound like you're much better off.

EDIT: Sounds like you've already decided. Pretend I posted this two days ago.

shack

The great thing about this country is if you don't like what you are doing...do something else. Don't like your employeer...find another job. Don't have the skills...get them. Don't like working for someone else...start your own business. In this country the options for making a living (and even becoming wealthy) are limitless...as long as you have an open mind and willing to adapt to the everchanging environment and willing to work hard and willing to take some risks you can succeed. Problems? Roadblocks? Setbacks? Difficulty? Discrimination? etc...etc... Sure. But they can be overcome.

If you do all you can and the cards just don't play out for whatever reason....Then there are lots of safety nets in this country....be it govenment, charitable, etc. to help when all else fails.

This IS the greatest country in the world and I don't care what anyone says...every citizen has the opportunity to succeed if they choose to do so.

MrNightly

AndyGwis wrote:

"To a dark place this line of thinking will take you."

Yoda! His wisdom, how could I have forgotten? Words of truth, these are.

To everyone else debating socialism, freedom of choice and the problems with this universe, I thank you for partaking.

Carry on!