Flag burning...

krabby5

What good can come out of burning a flag inside the very country you reside?

steveinaz

It's a sad commentary that this issue even exists. Where were the flag burners shortly after 9/11? Their chicken **** asses were laying low because they new they'd probably get beat down---see what I mean, no real passion for their cause---just the fashionable thing to do. And how quick we American's forget things....a shame really.

The problem is some immigrants want to come to America, but they don't want to be "American" they want to be a chinese, japanese, german, italian, Iraqi, etc, guy living in America. Problem is, they bring their politics with them.

ohskigod

steveinaz wrote:

If you denounce your "allegiance to the flag" you should lose your citizenship. Plain & simple. Have the courage of your convictions, take the consequences of your actions.

I agree. while they should not be forcibly removed, I cant figure out why they stay. if you hate the country, then go to another country. I dont get what the big whoop is. people in this country have the freedom to degrade it and talk smack about it. thats just the way it is, like it or not

my favorite was the dixie chicks. they smack the president on foreign soil and complain about the backlash (which a country fanbase...go figure) Then they say the backlash infringes on there first ammendment rights. that was a hoot

freedom of speach is a 2 edged sword, you have the right to say what you want, but also have to suffer the consequences, especially in public opinion

PhantomOG

ohskigod wrote:

freedom of speach is a 2 edged sword, you have the right to say what you want, but also have to suffer the consequences, especially in public opinion

the question is, should the consequences be from the government or just from the general public.

limashaynut

If falg burning is in fact protected free speech, then my kicking the **** out of those who burn them is also free speech!

steveinaz

RuSsMaN wrote:

I burn NRA and PETA flags.

Speaking of the NRA, I need to renew my membership. That's how I win. 4.3 million strong, and over 300 million American gun owners.

Isn't that like borderline blasphemy in Texas?

Skynut

steveinaz wrote:

Speaking of the NRA, I need to renew my membership. That's how I win. 4.3 million strong, and over 300 million American gun owners.

Isn't that like borderline blasphemy in Texas?

Lifetime membership is cheaper in the long run (if you are young enough) and only hurts once.

unc2701

steveinaz wrote:

Speaking of the NRA, I need to renew my membership. That's how I win. 4.3 million strong, and over 300 million American gun owners.

??? Do you mean 300 million american owned guns??? I think the US population is at like 290-295 million.

steveinaz

Guns yes, my bad.

Sky, I'm gonna do a lifetime membership this time.

Skynut

I did the year by year thing and realized it was just easier to go lifetime and forget about it.

limashaynut

Lifetime NRA member here as well.

Demiurge

Here too.

Just bought the new SA XD .45 ACP 5" Stainless Tactical model and picked it up yesterday.

steveinaz

Rock! Nice pistol.

MacLeod

Free speech doesnt mean you can do anything.

You cant burn down the Washington Monument in protest of this country.

Far too many people have given their lives in defense of this flag. Letting some **** burn it. You wanna protest? Fine, paint you up some signs that say "Nuclear Arms Cant Hug A Child" and run around chanting your slogans like "What do we want?", "World Peace", When do we want it?", "Now" but stay away from the flag.

I would go this far, lets keep it legal to burn a flag but if you do then it also become legal to WHIP YOUR ****!

kingkip

steveinaz wrote:

Hundreds of thousands of REAL Americans have died in defense of what that flag symbolizes. If for no other reason, leave our flag alone as a tribute to them. If your country has no loyalty, it has nothing.

Don't you see that being able to burn the flag is exactly the kind of stuff they died for? Do you think Hitler would have let you burn a swastika?

Do I agree with it? Absolutely not, and would never do it myself, but I feel it would be my duty to defend the right to do it. If we outlaw flag-burning where do we stop? How about if I say that Bush is a crappy president? Should I be deported for that?

[QOUTE=MacLeod]You cant burn down the Washington Monument in protest of this country.

Don't you think that statement is a little extreme. You also can't legally burn down my house as a protest or kick someone's **** who burns a flag. But if someone buys a flag and burns it, it is their property to do with as they please. You are comparing apples to oranges and expecting them to taste like bananas with statements like that.

Think with your brains and not your balls on this one. If you start banning free speech now you can't stop later. By the way has any of you ever had a tattered flag flying or known someone who has? (Be honest) That is also an insult to the flag and maybe they should be deported.

steveinaz

Big difference between free speech and destroying your nations flag, I know all about why soldiers die, I was one. I can guarantee you not one of them will say they did, so you could burn the US Flag. To soldiers, marines, airmen and seamen that flag represents those who died defending her; it encompasses the ideals of what America should be, that's why I take it so personally.

Now people can put whatever spin they want on that....

MacLeod

kingkip wrote:

Don't you see that being able to burn the flag is exactly the kind of stuff they died for? Do you think Hitler would have let you burn a swastika?

Do I agree with it? Absolutely not, and would never do it myself, but I feel it would be my duty to defend the right to do it. If we outlaw flag-burning where do we stop? How about if I say that Bush is a crappy president? Should I be deported for that?

Don't you think that statement is a little extreme. You also can't legally burn down my house as a protest or kick someone's **** who burns a flag. But if someone buys a flag and burns it, it is their property to do with as they please. You are comparing apples to oranges and expecting them to taste like bananas with statements like that.

Think with your brains and not your balls on this one. If you start banning free speech now you can't stop later. By the way has any of you ever had a tattered flag flying or known someone who has? (Be honest) That is also an insult to the flag and maybe they should be deported.

Free speech was NEVER intended to cover burning the flag. I fully believe that if you were to go back in time and burn a flag in front of the founders right as they were in the middle of writing the 1st ammendmant that they would be the first ones to shoot you down!

There is absolutely ZERO comparison between somebody with an old tattered flag and some **** stain that takes one out and burns it in "protest".

Drumingman

While I would not burn our flag, some think it is OK. If our country is taken over by Tyrant's, or other undesirables then we have the right and the responsibility to then abolish the government, I've know this since I was a child and still believe it today. Our government might try to take us to hell but as a free people we have the right to take control back, if we have to, never disarm yourself.

unc2701

MacLeod wrote:

Free speech was NEVER intended to cover burning the flag. I fully believe that if you were to go back in time and burn a flag in front of the founders in the middle of the Constitutional Congress that they would be the first ones to shoot you down!

"Give me liberty or give me death" Yep, that totally sounds like someone who'd take issue with flag burning...

Dammit Macleod, think with your head!!! The founders were terrified of a strong federal government, which is why we even have a constitution. They barely even wanted to create a country, and were going out of their way to protect ALL freedoms of its citizens and you REALLY think they'd give a rat's **** about the FLAG? The idea of being an American didn't truely take hold for years after the revolutionary war.

Drumingman

steveinaz wrote:

If you denounce your "allegiance to the flag" you should lose your citizenship. Plain & simple. Have the courage of your convictions, take the consequences of your actions.

You have educators teaching Un-American ideas to children all over this country everyday. That is one reason a lot of young people have screwed up ideas about America. There are a lot of people who will not pledge to the flag because of the phrase "one nation under God". What are you gonna do with those people? That is all walks of American Citizens who won't do that.

MacLeod

unc2701 wrote:

you REALLY think they'd give a rat's **** about the FLAG?

Abso-fuggin-lutely!

Dude, there is no measure to all the blood that was shed for that flag especially in the beginning days of the country!

Some of the founders, especially the ones that signed the Declaration of Independance had their children still in England and the Kind imprisoned them and threatened to kill them unless they renounced the Declaration. They ALL refused and their children were killed! To burn a flag is the ultimate insult to everything they worked and sacrificed for.

unc2701

MacLeod wrote:

Some of the founders, especially the ones that signed the Declaration of Independance had their children still in England and the Kind imprisoned them and threatened to kill them unless they renounced the Declaration. They ALL refused and their children were killed! To burn a flag is the ultimate insult to everything they worked and sacrificed for.

Please, go read a history book. It doesn't matter which, just pick one a random. Maybe you'll find something in there you can tell us about that's actually true. If you'd like to have something accurate to say about the thoughts of the founding fathers, I'd recomend the Federalist Papers. Boring as all hell, but an important read for any patriot.

Oh and I can't remember who the urban legend **** is, but please take care of that crap above.

steveinaz

Drumingman wrote:

You have educators teaching Un-American ideas to children all over this country everyday. That is one reason a lot of young people have screwed up ideas about America. There are a lot of people who will not pledge to the flag because of the phrase "one nation under God". What are you gonna do with those people? That is all walks of American Citizens who won't do that.

A good foundation at home. Unfortunately there are plenty of idiot teachers out there giving our children political advice, parenting advice, making sure they their "rights" as children. They peddle their personal agendas all the time, I had a long talk with my daughters teacher about what is acceptable discipline; then I told him to mind his own goddamn business. He got the message.

MacLeod

unc2701 wrote:

Please, go read a history book. It doesn't matter which, just pick one a random. Maybe you'll find something in there you can tell us about that's actually true. If you'd like to have something accurate to say about the thoughts of the founding fathers, I'd recomend the Federalist Papers. Boring as all hell, but an important read for any patriot.

Oh and I can't remember who the urban legend **** is, but please take care of that crap above.

Fair enough. My post is misleading. I was going off memory and its been a while since high school history class.

It was only one man that had 2 of his 3 sons imprisoned. Abraham Clark of New Jersey and signer of the Declaration was offered his sons life if he would recant. He said no.

Henry Laurens' son was also killed. Laurens was not a signer but was President of Congress. As far as I know tho he was not offered his son's lives.

PolkThug

We should never be allowed to protest our government or destroy any of its symbols!!! We should be the Western United Kingdom!!!

MacLeod

Who's saying you cant protest?

PolkThug

MacLeod wrote:

Who's saying you cant protest?

Did somebody say that?? Kick their **** for me!

unc2701

MacLeod wrote:

Fair enough. My post is misleading. I was going off memory and its been a while since high school history class.

It was only one man that had 2 of his 3 sons imprisoned. Abraham Clark of New Jersey and signer of the Declaration was offered his sons life if he would recant. He said no.

Henry Laurens' son was also killed. Laurens was not a signer but was President of Congress. As far as I know tho he was not offered his son's lives.

Wrong again! Please- you need to just stop posting on anything pre-1990.

MacLeod

unc2701 wrote:

Wrong again! Please- you need to just stop posting on anything pre-1990.

OK. Whatever. I suck. You win.

PolkThug

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