United 93

ohskigod

tommyboy wrote:

I could give an example for every single race and religion if you want me to use a whole page.

oh god, please..NO

aaharvel

jdhdiggs wrote:

no way did you actually visit everyone of those sights, read the info and respond in that time

way. :rolleyes:

jdhdiggs wrote:

One of them did give you that info if you clicked just one link further than I provided.

Hey thanks! I just love easter-egg hunts!

jdhdiggs wrote:

Your done because you lost and can't prove your point.

I'm done b/c i'm tired of arguing with you JD. The only point i was trying to make is that thanks to your own personal biases, you throw around phony numbers that are disguised as "the truth." I succeeded in making that point.

jdhdiggs wrote:

What's the right number based on your data? Where is that data?

57% (THE NATIONAL COUNTERTERRORISM CENTER)
http://www.nctc.gov/

"According to statistics of the National Counterterrorism Center, Islamic extremism was responsible for approximately 57% of terrorist fatalities and 61% of woundings in 2004 and early 2005, where a terrorist perpetrator type could be specified. Terrorist acts have included airline hijacking, kidnapping, assassination, and suicide bombing. Terrorist threats have included fatwas and death threats. Children have been used in the administration and perpetration of these attacks. Both Muslims and non-Muslims have been among the targets and victims."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamist_terrorism

jdhdiggs wrote:

Here, we'll comprimise: 95%+ of all terrorists are muslim. That make you happier?

No. What would make me happy is you knowing what the hell you're talking about in the first place JD.

jdhdiggs

Funny, you asked for the proof, you read it (Since you just claimed you downloaded and read the pdf's) and are still putting up a fight. Wow! Obviosuly you didn't read what was handed to you or you would have admitted that you were wrong.

My comprimise was a poke at your morinic stance and your response proved my point. Thank you for the confirmation of your faculties.

Personal biasis? How about yours? I gave supporting data to my view points, did you? My beliefs are based in fact. Please note, I never said all Muslims are terrorists or all Muslims support Terrorists. I then gave you the data.

So what is it:

a) your a liar and didn't read the info provided
b) have massive amounts of data on other, non-muslim terrorists but don't wish to share
c) Lack reading comprehension skills,
d) so stubborn and blinded by your own personal biases that even fact can't change your viewpoint.
e) think that Christians, Athiests, Jews, Wiccans, and Budhists are bombing Isreal disguised as Muslims.

If you wanted to be clever, you could have pointed out that if every attack used 5 new terrorists to commit (Same terrorist can't be used twice to setup or execute the attack) and every attack was committed by a Muslim, that would mean only 0.015% of the Muslim Polpulation is commiting these acts. I realize this. Doesn't change the inverse on terrorists being Muslim.

dorokusai

I sacrificed myself to get this link...they are here to arrest me now.

http://www.terrorism.com/

aaharvel

"99%+ of all terrorists are muslim." ~JDHDIGGShimselfahole

Too bad the National Counterterrorism Center, AKA the US Government says otherwise.

The truth hurts JD.

Anyone that can understand the english language has no choice but to accept the fact that I totally ripped your mentally-challenged argument to absolute shreds. Good night and good luck.

jdhdiggs

Too bad you have to register to read anything. The warrenty on my tin-foil hat is expiring....

jdhdiggs

aaharvel wrote:

The truth hurts JD.

Anyone that can understand the english language has no choice but to accept the fact that I totally ripped your mentally-challenged argument to absolute shreds. Good night and good luck.

When did this happen? In this thread? Could someone else confirm this as I just don't see it!?!?

Lou, Demi, Doro, anyone?

Or is the whole basis of your argument based solely in symantics and not fact? Is that it?

BIZILL

better they make a documentary vs. hollywood profiting. oh well.

MacLeod

This is just insane. It never ceases to amaze me how much contorting and back bending people will do to defend terrorists.

OK, maybe this will satisfy the PC Police:

Not all terrorists are muslims BUT all the terrorists that we are fighting, that are sworn to destroy western civilization, are constantly waging war against Israel, is funded and supported by several countries and governments, are responsible for killing over 3000 innocent American civilians, are responsible for cutting off the heads of school girls on video tape, have sworn to annihilate Israel and wipe out the Jews, have shown no outrage at all the atrocities commited by terrorists yet march in the streets over a stupid cartoon, that are blowing up trains in Europe, that are kidnapping and killing school kids in Russia, all of those are muslim.

jdhdiggs

MacLeod wrote:

This is just insane. It never ceases to amaze me how much contorting and back bending people will do to defend terrorists.

OK, maybe this will satisfy the PC Police:

Not all terrorists are muslims BUT all the terrorists that we are fighting, that are sworn to destroy western civilization, are constantly waging war against Israel, is funded and supported by several countries and governments, are responsible for killing over 3000 innocent American civilians, are responsible for cutting off the heads of school girls on video tape, have sworn to annihilate Israel and wipe out the Jews, have shown no outrage at all the atrocities commited by terrorists yet march in the streets over a stupid cartoon, that are blowing up trains in Europe, that are kidnapping and killing school kids in Russia, all of those are muslim.

I agree 100%

Wait, maybe just 99% since I don't have all the data in front of me right now.

BIZILL

expect that 'winning' post to be quickly deleted.:rolleyes:

MacLeod

Its a conspiracy I tell you!

I dont blame them, its not fair for me to win all the debates!

BIZILL

justin's a democrat!:eek: :rolleyes:

Skynut

72.3875% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

ohskigod

aaharvel wrote:

way. :rolleyes:






57% (THE NATIONAL COUNTERTERRORISM CENTER)
http://www.nctc.gov/

"According to statistics of the National Counterterrorism Center, Islamic extremism was responsible for approximately 57% of terrorist fatalities and 61% of woundings in 2004 and early 2005, where a terrorist perpetrator type could be specified. Terrorist acts have included airline hijacking, kidnapping, assassination, and suicide bombing. Terrorist threats have included fatwas and death threats. Children have been used in the administration and perpetration of these attacks. Both Muslims and non-Muslims have been among the targets and victims."




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genuinly couldnt find this statement, though i didnt look long.

taking it at face value, one religion/group = vast majority of terrorist attacks.

and the quote uses the word Fatwa, which is what, an old Yiddish word meaning puppy hugs and kisses?...LOL ......no, its definitly a Muslim word meaning "time to wreck your **** because our religion says so"

noimposse

This thread is doomed to be deleted....



Maybe I should have kept my thoughts on the movie to myself....but then again I thought this was a thread about THE MOVIE

jdhdiggs

That's the first post I saw with that Lou, thanks. I couldn't find that on the sight either. I notice how it only includes the casualty numbers though and not number of attempts which was what I looked at. And it defined "terrorist activities" differently than the Isrealy defence sight did. I intentionally left out the African nations issues. One could argue that those are either terrorist attacks (As NCTC does) or civil war / strife / ethnic cleansing group which falls into another bucket of scumbags and not in the terrorist scumbag bucket as the isreali sights did (and I agree-its different but just as cowardly).

And thanks for proving that Andrew's entire argument was, beyond any doubt, based on semantics and not fact.

He has even proved to himself that most terrorists are Muslims. Someone's world view is growing!!!

unc2701

MacLeod wrote:

... that are kidnapping and killing school kids in Russia, all of those are muslim.

The Beslan massacre had nothing to do with muslims. Russia tried to pull that off draw attention away from the Chechnyan conflict, but no one bought it.

More to the point, you guys are forgetting that there's a lot of terrorism that's not in the middle east. All that **** that goes down in South America? NOT MUSLIM. IRA? Definitely not muslim. Africa? 40% Christian, 40% muslim, 20% other. We mostly hear about the middle east since it's where our interests currently lie, but globally, by incident count, it's far short of 99% Muslim.

Now, I can't comment on the breakdown by death toll. I suspect that Muslim terrorists probably have a predominant proportion on that.

jdhdiggs

IRA has been pretty inactive since '98 IIRC. South America is drugs lords and Muslims. Africa killing is probably closer to 60% other 10% Christian and 30% Muslim.

The 99% as everybody but one person understood as hyperbole and was then used to show how PC our perspective has become and how we need to be careful with the feelings of people who wouldn't mind if iwe were dead.

Additionally, it depends on your definition of terrorism. Bush is the biggest terrorist in the world by some people's definitions. Does the attack have to targer civilians only? Target civilians as the primary target? If Does it have to be accomplished or is planning the attack counted? What about motivation? Is civil war terrorism? Is Ethnic cleansing? Are drug wars? How about riots? Do you include incidents or number of people involved or sponsoring? Was the US supporting terrorists when the USSR invaded Afghanistan?

People should open their eyes and quite being so anal retentive and PC. Draw a line in the sand and sack up.

Demiurge

Terrorism has always been defined as political, religiously, or ideological in nature. It's an attack against a nation designed to intimidate the governments by striking the innocent (see civilian population). It wasn't hard for most to figure out what your point was.

aaharvel

unc2701 wrote:

More to the point, you guys are forgetting that there's a lot of terrorism that's not in the middle east. All that **** that goes down in South America? NOT MUSLIM. IRA? Definitely not muslim. Africa? 40% Christian, 40% muslim, 20% other. We mostly hear about the middle east since it's where our interests currently lie, but globally, by incident count, it's far short of 99% Muslim.

Exactly. The US government's NCTC report on Incidents of Terrorism, 2005: http://wits.nctc.gov/Reports.do

For those too lazy to read all 80 pages of the report, the graphs and chart equivalants of the text are on pages 15-30. See p.18 and "Deaths in 2005 by Perpetrator" category.

So according to what's-his-face, semantics aren't fact... yet self-admitted "hyperbole" is? That's a new one on me. God forbid one does actual research in this joint. :rolleyes:

Drumingman

Thanks for the Movie Review

BIZILL

I think that's why he placed this thread in the clubhouse instead...