Carver Amazing Platinum on Ebay in WA state

DiscoMike

heiney9 wrote:

FWIW,

Electrostatic
Literally electricity that is not in action, otherwise known as static electricity, which is technically an electrostatic charge. Anytime one surface or point has an electric charge relative to another you have electrostatic energy, which is a form of potential energy. Electrostatic is also a type of transducer design. Most widely employed in loudspeakers, electrostatics (as they are often called) are built somewhat like a large capacitor. There are two plates, one of which can move. A DC bias voltage is applied to them to create an electrostatic charge. Then the AC audio signal is applied, and the interaction between the resulting (alternating) magnetic field and the electrostatic field forces the movable plate to move back and forth. Some audiophiles consider this a more pure and better sounding method of reproducing audio than our typical moving coil dynamic loudspeaker designs. However most tend to be quite expensive and it is debated whether there is an overall improvement in sound - many electrostatic speakers are characterized as having little or no bass punch. In fact separate subs of standard moving coil design are often employed as a workaround for this.

Ribbon Speaker
The ribbon loudspeaker consists of a thin metal-film ribbon suspended between two magnets. The electrical signal is applied to the ribbon which vibrates creating the sound. The advantage of the ribbon loudspeaker is that the ribbon has very little mass; as such, it can accelerate very quickly, yielding good high-frequency response (although its shape is far from ideal). Ribbon loudspeakers can be very fragile but recently designed planar tweeters have the metal film printed on a strong lightweight material for reinforcement. Ribbon tweeters often emit sound that exits the speaker concentrated into a flat plane at the level of the listeners' ears; above and below the plane there is often less treble sound.

H9

Exactly what I was going to say. Word for word.

reeltrouble1

I know not what bags of wind blow through this space yet sense its howling misdirection.

RT1

heiney9

reeltrouble1 wrote:

I know not what bags of wind blow through this space yet sense its howling misdirection.

RT1

RT1 your quite the thespian. Had any Rum yet tonight?

audiobliss

Wow. That was interesting to read. Only took me three times to understand what he meant, too!

reeltrouble1

Yes H9, thank you, I just made my third. I am relaxing, tommorow I am spending the day alone in my little world, so I am getting sauced tonight, just a bit, a tad, not alot, bout a ha'penny, a taste, two fingers times six, Kleine, poco, Ok, maybe a medium amount. I need to eat a hens egg. Rum is a wonderful drink.

Speakers are cool.

Bliss--before you leave that wonderful world of education, knowledge and so on, drop by your library and pull out some old worn and tattered reference on Gestalt.

I no not what body may travel this road yet a bag of bones once did pass.


RT1

tonyb

heiney9 wrote:

Damn, this is the FM, I forgot if I don't have any interest in buying said item I can't post. Sorry please don't ban me I forgot where I was :eek:

H9

OFF WITH THE SCOUNDREL'S HEAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek: :eek:

heiney9

Enjoy RT1........nothing like a good alcoholic beverage to relax with.

Zen Dragon

reeltrouble1 wrote:

Yes H9, thank you, I just made my third. I am relaxing, tommorow I am spending the day alone in my little world, so I am getting sauced tonight, just a bit, a tad, not alot, bout a ha'penny, a taste, two fingers times six, Kleine, poco, Ok, maybe a medium amount. I need to eat a hens egg. Rum is a wonderful drink.

Speakers are cool.

Bliss--before you leave that wonderful world of education, knowledge and so on, drop by your library and pull out some old worn and tattered reference on Gestalt.

I no not what body may travel this road yet a bag of bones once did pass.


RT1

I dig what this Hep Cat is saying. It goes somewhere, but it's non-linear. It is the feeling arriving, finding the thought has moved on.

heiney9

Zen Dragon wrote:

I dig what this Hep Cat is saying. It goes somewhere, but it's non-linear. It is the feeling arriving, finding the thought has moved on.

Yeah, It's called stream of consciousness style writing. Or incessant babbling . Drug induced yammering is another description:D . Take me where you've been RT1.

H9

amulford

You don't wanna go there...

ohskigod

Zen Dragon wrote:

I dig what this Hep Cat .

dude, is that...like...a cat with hepatitus?

Zen Dragon

Dude it's way more sick than hepatitus. Cats were hep, long before they were hip. Gotta crawl way back into the 60's for that illness though.

Loud & Clear

Interestingly enough, daddios and squares, I recently purchased "The Wild One" and watched it last night.

"Now if you gonna stay cool, you got to wail. You got to put somethin' down. You got to make some jive." - Johnny (Marlon Brando), in an attempt to enlighten a square, who also happens to be a strikingly beautiful young woman.

reeltrouble1

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa........Alchohol can be a portal (See E. Hemingway).

Ant--you already know my good friend.

Our given condition has long been the body may be forcefully taken or easily given. However, as this momentary pleasure becomes unsatisfactory, leaving the mind, the soul and resultant total consuption. Wherein lies the key to the babbles disguise. I would suggest resisting, however, know many have been captured, especially the youngest generation now dubbed the "y's". You must do it for yourself I cannot take you there, its simply forbidden .

Some words of Mr. Loaf have insight.

Its mostly about money and the things it brings to them.

Brando, man had not thought of him for a time, that dude resisted I wonder if he beat them, he may have, yea I dig him Daddio. I wonder who took from him, I doubt he freely gave whatever it was.

The Low Men---King knows them.

Tina Turner--Private Dancer

So I am interested in the speaks.

RT1

Tour2ma

Now this is "old-style" FM material... Sale over so sail on...

Odd thing is that Ted's grammar and spelling remain independent of his blood alcohol level.

On the CA's... Best full symphony speaker I've heard.

And if you miss the wide, SDA soundstage, just apply a little Sonic Halography. Sweetspot is tiny compared to SDA's, but impact is the same.

George Grand

If you want that big sound, you need a big pair of speakers. The industry standard.

amulford

Can't touch 'em for less than ten grand....

danger boy

what did a pair of these Carver Amazings go for when new? Do they still build em? How recent are these would you say?

Shizelbs

~$4000
No.
~1990ish

I believe my answers are correct.

danger boy

that's cool. ok. thanks.

whitetruk

i believe shizelbs is close,i could look for an old brochure,but i must say sumpin first. i have only expeirence with the early platinums i think maybe series mk 2??? i never thought they played loud enough.
even with tons of amp(silver 7 or 9t`s)
but i dunno thats my opinion.
p.s. still have the amps,(9t`s) and if a pair of speakers were local i would be all over them.probably for the cool factor(and i have no waf factor)
later scott

reeltrouble1

The CA originals are 85db effecient, so not the most effecient but not as low as others, I use the silver 9t and have more than enough power, the gain the pre puts on the source signal can make a large difference along with room size. Cant recall the efficiency rating of the Platinums, seem to recall its was like 91? not sure but higher in any event. Anyway, its one of the big differences along with the single 60" ribbon per speaker instead of the two 30".

I am not planning on moving this speaker out of the Shed anytime soon, its a Classic with great sound and deep deep powerful bass.

RT1

dorokusai

The Carver Amazing is a really neat speaker to experience, regardless of actual model, and certainly worth the time and trouble.

Shizelbs

Anyone care to suggest a reason why I am not getting the typical deep deep powerful bass? My bass is thin and far from powerful. Its there, but not that much. Unless the particular track is mixed with tons of bass, you really wouldn't be all that impressed.

dorokusai

The "...deep deep powerful bass" comment was from RT1. He may have a better enviroment for re-enforcement of low end.

I think they have alot of bass, but it's more ethereal than obvious slam....it's an open baffle type, so it's nothing suprising to me.

Shizelbs

Is that the same sort of bass you get out of your maggies?

dorokusai

No, it's not room filling in the <40hz region, although the CA can provide that duty easily, as it has woofers. We're comparing two different types of speakers.

There is bass in Magnepan, but the cutoff is sharp @ 40hz.

ohskigod

Shizelbs wrote:

Anyone care to suggest a reason why I am not getting the typical deep deep powerful bass? My bass is thin and far from powerful. Its there, but not that much. Unless the particular track is mixed with tons of bass, you really wouldn't be all that impressed.

positioning dude, plain and simple, I recently moved mine to a completly different part of the bassment and improved the situation. you can walk to 2 different places and hear 2 very distinct levels of bass. the open baffle thing is a **** for palcement, but when you get it right, its perfect.

reeltrouble1

Check your surrounds, its possible they have deteriorated over time. Use two people when you remove the grill screws. The speaker has a frq. rating down to 17hz. -3db. so the potential for deep bass is there, however, what deep is to one may not be to another, I call it deep and solid. Of course the media matters, however, I have found from classical, bluegrass, jazz and rock deep tones are solid, certainly not a weakness.

The Shed is open if your in the area.

Room
Positioning
Pre-amp
Source
Power
and WIRE

If you have not yet grasped how standing waves can cancel your bass its time to get your learn on and research a bit. The speaker has the potential.

RT1

DiscoMike

Shizelbs wrote:

Anyone care to suggest a reason why I am not getting the typical deep deep powerful bass? My bass is thin and far from powerful. Its there, but not that much. Unless the particular track is mixed with tons of bass, you really wouldn't be all that impressed.

Also check your wires and wire connections. If you are using cheap $30 speakerwire from BB, CC, Rat Shack, etc, you will not be impressed with the sound. Use a good or a high quality interconnect or sub interconnect (assuming we are talking subwoofers), or high quality speakerwire (assuming we are talking speakers, are we talking the CAs ?). Perhaps your speakerwire might have erroded over time if oxidation got to it, or if you are not using really good wires, you will not be impressed with the sound of your bass. You dont need to go crazy and spend hundreds of $$$$, but you should make a substantial investment with your wires. You can get some good speaker/interconnect wires on interenet only sites at bettercables.com or mr-cable.com, or you can use the M series Monsters, either the m950/1000i's or the M1.2s or 1.4s bi-wire, or if you have the big $$$, you can use the m2.2s, or the M2.4s bi-wires. I have had good experience with monster as I upgraded my speaks and speaker wire to 2.4s which I purchased used to save some $$$, but I do feel that their retail prices are overpriced.

Also check your speaker placement and crossover frequencies as others have mentioned in this post.

Hope this helps, and good luck restoring the bass.