We need a "High END" thread for audio nut heads.

P-Town Polk · February 2006

This may sound like jibberish but I think that if a high end thread was created for the high end audio owners who have took out a second mogtage to buy their sound system they would all get along better. I have a mid system so i would stay out but when looking for advice in the forum or reading threads for fun I find many of these people giving advice that dosent suit the question. example...." no, no dont get the R-series, get the LSI's you will be much more happy with them." Even if I had all the money in the world which would also mean that I would have to work more and not have time in the middle of the day to chat about speakers???.....I would not buy the LSi's. Maybe if I have been saving for the last ten years slowly building my sytem and not eating, then it may be ok. I think that the HIGH end owners have more in common (if you have not already notice they kind of have a club already) and a seperate thread in the sub-category listings would make them feel more at home. I respect many intellegent audio owners on this forum, but some are down right full of them selves with their HIGH end that they come off snoby with unrealistic advice. You dont see honda civic owners chatting on forums when they own a Bently GT, what do they have in common....130 HP to 500 HP!!

Just my two cents...VOTE FOR A SEPERATE HIGH END THREAD!!

steveinaz · February 2006

It's a problem with ALL forums. People will ask how to do something, and inevitably someone will chime in with "why do you want to do that? Why don't you do this?" instead of just answering the question...

Here's a common one:
"Hey guys, I want to bi-wire, what cable should I use?"
Reply:
"Why bi-wire?, it's a waste of time."

P-Town Polk · February 2006

you hit it on the nose, I hate that.

danger boy · February 2006

a high end thread might be a good idea. but where do you draw the line on what's average and what's high end? Price tag or soundwise, which would determine the cut off?

who determines what's high end? Esoteric components? or unfamiliar names of gear?

I'm not trying to kill your idea before it gets started.. i'm just trying to figure out what would be considered high end gear.

ok, bye

reeltrouble1 · February 2006

P-Town,

We allow for eating, other available funds should be used to buy audio gear and pay the electric bill unless you use batteries, you can waste whatever monies are left over from that on other sundries.;)

RT1

P-Town Polk · February 2006

low/mid level would be BB and CC gear, yes and even tweeter. In polk I suggest LSI-high end, rti's mid (some people think low now???) and monitor/r series mid to low. When looking at a set up you can kinda of tell...

The funny part would be when they do have the thread to mingle about them selves they probably will leave being so bored that a lot of their gear is equal and they will have no one to be motherly like to.

I think theres a huge line between High End and mid gear. I will admit though that i have seen some pictures of peoples set up and give them props. Some have a dedicated theater room which if you can afford that then you better have very HIGH end.. Theater room= padded walls, special lighting, theater seats...not your extra bedroom turned into a audio room.

nebborjk · February 2006

my 2 cents..

This is a forum for any and all Polk speaker owner's and enthusiast.

If you don't want LSi suggestions when seaking advice on the R series perhaps you could state your budget in the origainal post or state that you are only interested in the R series, and so on.

....FWIW

RuSsMaN · February 2006

We have high end threads all the time, check out the 2ch forum.

P-Town Polk · February 2006

for sho Real trouble. I think my point was that some high end owners are very biased towards newbies, and give unrealistic advice.

my favorite: " I'm looking for a good dvd player that wont break the bank?"
response..." Pioneer makes a good elite dvd player but its considered mid level, it cost around 1000 bucks, but if you want something a LITTLE better i would get....for 2000 bucks.

what the?

mldennison · February 2006

P-Town Polk wrote:

my favorite: " I'm looking for a good dvd player that wont break the bank?"
response..." Pioneer makes a good elite dvd player but its considered mid level, it cost around 1000 bucks, but if you want something a LITTLE better i would get....for 2000 bucks.

well the problem with that is that "break the bank" is not specific at all. to some, $2000 is more than they will spend on audio in their lives while to others it is perfectly reasonable for a dvd player. someone responding to your post has no idea which one of those people you are unless you post your budget in your post. since there are people in both of these categories on this board i think your best bet is to post a budget to guide people on what to recommend for you. do that and i think you will find the advice you get is perfectly resonable for you. at least that has been my experience.

F1nut · February 2006

It's a subjective hobby and as such all shared info should be welcome whether it applies to you or not.

cfrizz · February 2006

I couldn't agree more!!

I don't believe in segregation.

F1nut wrote:

It's a subjective hobby and as such all shared info should be welcome whether it applies to you or not.

shack · February 2006

Bad idea!

Shizelbs · February 2006

Not necessary. If someone doesn't want high end options, then either specify so, or politely ignore them.

A forum is no fun if the ideas and suggestions are limited and not free to grow.

TroyD · February 2006

Applaud the effort but bad idea.

Stratification is one of the main reasons that the high end is having the woes that it does. For audio to survive and thrive, it's got to embrace the masses. If this means answering rudimentary (to some) questions/post for the nth time, so be it.

BDT

heiney9 · February 2006

F1nut wrote:

It's a subjective hobby and as such all shared info should be welcome whether it applies to you or not.

I agree here.

The problem with most posters, which most times happen to be noob's, is they are not specific enough in asking the question. The key with any communication, wether it be here or face to face, is to be specific about what you want to know. Also, far too many times people should do bit of research ahead of time, like using the search function. That way maybe they can formulate specific questions rather than general questions. How many which receiver should I choose? threads have we had lately? All pretty much covering the same receivers and the same questions. Interaction is great but when it gets repetative, it becomes mundane. There is no need for a hi-end forum as only a few of us could really participate, IMO.

H9

Nelson57 · February 2006

My RTis are HIGH end compared to the HTIB I used to have.

Shizelbs · February 2006

Beauty post Troy

ohskigod · February 2006

Its Odd, I dont think there is too much of a price difference between the LSi and RTi. I mean yeah, of course there is a difference, but isnt MSRP on a pair of LSi15's just a little more than MSRP on a pair of RTi12's?

You can do all new gear with a reciever and all RTi, or go with a reciever with preouts, used seperate amplification and some LSi's and possible spend the same or a skosh more (especially if you go LSi9 instead of 15). If its out of the budget, so be it. I'm all about budget, I've been there. and since I bought a house, I'm still there!

anyway, I dont think the difference constitutes snobbery, perhaps looking into whether you can piece something together with LSi for a little more if the budget can be eeked. If not, RTi all day, its a great line in my eyes.

my .02

jayman_1975 · February 2006

i somewhat agree with this idea of having a high-end thread. I'm a new polk owner and in my small town and surrounding area, the only polk line i saw for sale was the monitors. I bought a set up and was totally thrilled with the crispness and clarity of them. Before i bought them i didn't know anything about Polk. Since then i have come on here and have gotten the idea that my new speakers are bottom line junk and i honestly feel like i'm driving a winter beater instead of the hotrod that i thought i was...hehe. I did upgrade my panasonic reciever to a Denon 3805 and i really hope no-one is going to dump on it too much.

mantis · February 2006

P-Town Polk wrote:

low/mid level would be BB and CC gear, yes and even tweeter. In polk I suggest LSI-high end, rti's mid (some people think low now???) and monitor/r series mid to low. When looking at a set up you can kinda of tell...

The funny part would be when they do have the thread to mingle about them selves they probably will leave being so bored that a lot of their gear is equal and they will have no one to be motherly like to.

I think theres a huge line between High End and mid gear. I will admit though that i have seen some pictures of peoples set up and give them props. Some have a dedicated theater room which if you can afford that then you better have very HIGH end.. Theater room= padded walls, special lighting, theater seats...not your extra bedroom turned into a audio room.

Just to chime in on this point, Tweeter isn't low end, actually they carry Martin Logan, Krell, Audioquest, Focal and even Lsi. these are not Low end .

Dan

zombie boy 2000 · February 2006

as for yours truly, i always enjoy hearing what the elders of hi-fi have to say regarding their rigs -- even if their's and mine are in two different leagues
the reason for this is plain and simple, there are certain universals that seem to run through most audio discussions, so if so-so Joe b. Audiophile gained something from keeping his/her Athenas away from an open flame, this same concept and/or course of action might benefit my two folger cans attached to a piece of a string:D
i've made a slew of improvements on my modest set-up reading the LSi threads (arguably moreso than reading those with similar set-ups)
.... and not once has anyone taken the proverbial axe to my gear
keep on talkin' and when i up there with 'ya (one piece at a time mindya), i'll start chimin':)
until then....

TroyD · February 2006

Tweeter is midfi. One step above CC and BB.

Deal with it.

BDT

Dennis Gardner · February 2006

Now thats the attitude! ZB 2000..........all of us here have been at different levels of understanding of audio and budget constraints (5 kids in da' house)and snobbery only comes from forgetting where you came from.

My only advice is never give up on the gear you want and buy wise. Great audio doesn't go out of style.

mantis · February 2006

when building a system, you must consider your budget.You also gotta consider the gear you already own and want to play nice with other gear you seek advise in buying.

Like the comment about the Pioneer Elite DVD player. This DVD play maybe in someones opnion the right choice for the system you already own. If you have a really nice tv, then this DVD player will do it justice. If you have a not so good tv, buying the Pioneer Elite will be for now a waste of money. Synergy is key.

Owning Lsi speakers requires matching gear. You need the correct gear to power them. Higher fidelity is the goal of most when seeking a product like the Lsi so why not have the gear around it to support what they can do.

If the R series is what you own, there is no difference here. Just like the Lsi speakers, the R series speakers require gear thats going to match them. Using something not as good will yield poor performance. Using something out of it's class is a waste of money.

My advise to you is when you ask a question, be specific. People need alot of info in order to help. If you ask a general question about a dvd player, your going to get a general answer. Pioneer Elite isn't the highest of high end, to alot there a mid fi product. Even 2000.00 dollar players are not expensive to alot of people. it's about what the value of that product is to them. To some a 99.99 dollar player is breaking the bank, and then some 20,000.00 is.

Do you understand?

Dan

amulford · February 2006

Have to agree. Some of us have a different perspective now. If you are specific with your question, you'll get an answer more in line.

danger boy · February 2006

my 2 ch SRS rig is not high end. it's all older stuff, but with the right marriage of components and cables, it sounds close to high end. I just re-added the tube DAC, and the bass is so much better now.

High end? To most people it isn't.. to me. it's the highest i can afford right now.

George Grand · February 2006

High-end is in the ear of the beholder. You want high-end? Buy the best you can afford. That is your high-end. If you want it to REMAIN your high-end, don't post on audio forums, cause somebody is going to come along and call your stuff mid-fi. This is all very simple.

Joey_V · February 2006

Troy,

I dont know why/how you think Tweeter is midfi... but I dont believe so.

They can put in an order for ANY krell set and ANY Focal set and ANY Martin Logan set (even the Statements @ $130K). Sure they dont display much (other than the entry Krells, ML Vantage, Summits, and 918Be).... but I think that Tweeter as a whole is way more than midfi. Unless you consider spending more than a car for a speaker pair the minimum for hifi.

Anyway, regarding the HiFi thread, I wouldnt mind it.... although I see how it could segregate and add stratification when none is needed. I will just wait and see how this turns out.

My thoughts are that there will be no "hifi" forum....

SKsolutions · February 2006

Some great posts.

If this thread provides no other benefit, it certainly reafirms 'The Forum's" reason for being here. The resultant discussion and education stimulates interest.

Drumingman · February 2006

And I didn't even have to use the "Search" to find this.

We need a "High END" thread for audio nut heads.

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