We need a "High END" thread for audio nut heads.
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unc2701 wrote:As for tweeter, I walked in and asked if they had a phono stage. Blank stares all around. Phono preamp? You know how a turntable needs a special input on a receiver? Blank stares.
This I expect at Best Buy, Circuit City, etc. At a High end shop, on the other hand, you'd have a dozen choices. Tweeter's not high end. They might be able to get the good gear, but so what?
Good point... I suppose the store itself isnt hifi.Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R -
I think that this isnt neccesarily a hi-fi versus mid/low-fi issue. I think it is a matter of how a lot of questions or issues are addressed on this forum.
It seems that the #1 response you are going to get with most posts is "Throw money at it". This can be seen in many forms as "Upgrade..." "More power..." "Seperates..." "Bigger sub..." etc. etc. A less common answer that I see here is to deal with issues in the listening room which are cheaper to fix (usually) and have the most impact (usually).
So in general I think we should strive to answer questions directly and tell people how to work with the equipment they have if that is what they are asking. IMHO, telling people to upgrade to this or that is kind of a copout answer because of course that will always make an improvement. It takes a little more thought and effort to think out some more creative solutions.
Thats my two cents-Stopher
Tempe, AZ
Setup:
Polk RTi8 Mains
Polk CSi5 Center
Polk FXi3's Surround
Cerwin Vega HTS10 Subwoofer
Yamaha HTR-5740 AVR
Upstairs R50/R15/CS1 5.1 setup w Pioneer AVR -
Oh and my two cents on Tweeter (or Showcase as its called by me)...
It's range-y... Some mid... Some hi... It is what it is. Some people need to be a little less sensitive about their precious "HiFi" label. It comes off as snobby when you become elitist and offended when someone says something is high quality and you vehemently disagree.-Stopher
Tempe, AZ
Setup:
Polk RTi8 Mains
Polk CSi5 Center
Polk FXi3's Surround
Cerwin Vega HTS10 Subwoofer
Yamaha HTR-5740 AVR
Upstairs R50/R15/CS1 5.1 setup w Pioneer AVR -
While I would agree that room treatments will have at least an equally profound effect on sound, for a myriad of reasons (spouses and major construction among them), it's also one of the more difficult areas to tackle.
In general though, I think mosts questions are answered thoughtfully....
BDTI plan for the future. - F1Nut -
RuSsMaN wrote:Steve, you of all people should know not to get wrapped up in specs. It's all about the sound broham.
Cheers,
Russ
Absolutely, I was just trying to make a point...Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2 -
There are several members who have what is considered high-end gear, they dont really talk about it in terms of the dollars they spent, they have tried their best to help people get their own learn on providing advice, lending specific knowledge and so on. They will invite you to come listen if you show the inclination.
How about we have a no whining forum.
RT1 -
Ughh!!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes:"SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE" -
For not knowing what something that has been working on becoming obsolete since the invention of the CD?
I have a turntable. It is 25 yrs old:eek: It has only seen sporadic use for the last 20 yrs!
They probably wouldn't have a clue what 8 track tape decks were either.:D Anyone here got one of those? I have personally never seen one, so I don't even know what it looks like!:Dunc2701 wrote:As for tweeter, I walked in and asked if they had a phono stage. Blank stares all around. Phono preamp? You know how a turntable needs a special input on a receiver? Blank stares.
This I expect at Best Buy, Circuit City, etc. At a High end shop, on the other hand, you'd have a dozen choices. Tweeter's not high end. They might be able to get the good gear, but so what?Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2 -
Cathy,
When I was 10, I got a Lloyds 8 track player w/speakers for Christmas. That was my first "stereo." I thought it was really cool because it had a tone control...LOL!!!Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2 -
reeltrouble1 wrote:How about we have a no whining forum.
RT1
Now there's a concept!"Just because youre offended doesnt mean youre right." - Ricky Gervais
"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase
"Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson -
WAAAA!!!:D Heck until I went to PF 2005 I had never seen a Reel to Reel player either! Thanks Ken!!! LOL:Dsteveinaz wrote:Cathy,
When I was 10, I got a Lloyds 8 track player w/speakers for Christmas. That was my first "stereo." I thought it was really cool because it had a tone control...LOL!!!Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2 -
I wonder how many people on this forum really have what they say.......Im still trying to correlate chating online in the middle of the day and owning a 30,000 system or even more. messed up priorites or really lucky. I have seen some pics of system set ups so im sure it is a very small amount....but i know your out there.
My 2 cent..... -
P-Town Polk wrote:I wonder how many people on this forum really have what they say.......Im still trying to correlate chating online in the middle of the day and owning a 30,000 system or even more. messed up priorites or really lucky. I have seen some pics of system set ups so im sure it is a very small amount....but i know your out there.
My 2 cent.....
?????:rolleyes: :rolleyes:"SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE" -
P-Town Polk wrote:I wonder how many people on this forum really have what they say.......Im still trying to correlate chating online in the middle of the day and owning a 30,000 system or even more. messed up priorites or really lucky. I have seen some pics of system set ups so im sure it is a very small amount....but i know your out there.
My 2 cent.....
I joined to lie about all I have and to rub it in everyone's face !;) :eek: -
P-Town, there is NO need to call anyone on here a liar! Unless we all start posting our W2's we have no way of knowing who can afford what. You also have no way of know how much was paid for anything by anybody. Nor should it matter.
We are all decent, hardworking people who are into audio. Yes sometimes egos get a little big & it seems like people are being uppity. However for the most part we simply are sharing our opinions and information with each other so that we can all learn & continue to grow in this crazy hobby of ours!P-Town Polk wrote:I wonder how many people on this forum really have what they say.......Im still trying to correlate chating online in the middle of the day and owning a 30,000 system or even more. messed up priorites or really lucky. I have seen some pics of system set ups so im sure it is a very small amount....but i know your out there.
My 2 cent.....Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2 -
cfrizz wrote:They probably wouldn't have a clue what 8 track tape decks were either.:D Anyone here got one of those? I have personally never seen one, so I don't even know what it looks like!:D
My first car, a 1969 Cadillac Eldorado, had a built-in stock 8-Track player with the Cadillac symbol on the door and everything. Did I ever use it? No. My parents did have some 8-tracks, but I never really listened to them.
I wish I still had my parents vinyl collection. Unfortunately, most of them got warped in their attic and are ruined. Anyway, I don't have a platter to play them on anyway right now.
-Lou -
I think my problem is with forums in general. I have surfed many forums in my time and curious look at posts to gain info. It always seem that there are a bunch of say 20 memebrs that are on everyday all day, and i dont get it. Also the way people talk to each other, its like a electronic gang. Some body gets a buddy on this forum and when comments are made about a topic they hold hands till death do them part. we have all seen it. I really enjoy this forum for info on speakers and general audio set ups.....but sometimes the regulars chime in and act as if they need red carpet.....you guys should really see some of the bashing that goes on here on this forum. I have only made 30 posts in my lifetime on this forum but before i joined I browsed a lot on this forum to help me set up my system. My downfall was asking a question.......Think about what kind of posts get the most attention on this forum. Im sure the vets will not agree, but i know for sure that there is a lot of newbies that feel the sameway. I've seen newbies pushed off because of "SOME" rude vets harrassing them.
check at the first part of the thread about the conversation on tweeter being hi fi or not.
In general people have the right to disagree, but also that person needs to respect the others opinon. I thougt profanity was not allowed on this forum?
thanks for all your help, or atleast the ones that were truthful...NAD,RT1,russ(not russman), and a few others.
A lot of vets will probably laughat this and say ....how stupid, but we have all thought about it once or twice. -
JUST MY 2 CENTS...., forums really are not my style, people act ALOT DIFFERENT when on the computer than in person to person. IM out, sent a message to the moderator to disable my account!
yes and good bye to you also.
I'm already seeing sarcastic remarks to this post. -
ND13 wrote:?????:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Ed Zachry.Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service. -
I wonder how many people on this forum really have what they say.......Im still trying to correlate chating online in the middle of the day and owning a 30,000 system or even more. messed up priorites or really lucky. I have seen some pics of system set ups so im sure it is a very small amount....but i know your out there.
OK you caught me red handed. This is my real system. I am so ashamed:oSharp Elite 70
Anthem D2V 3D
Parasound 5250
Parasound HCA 1000 A
Parasound HCA 1000
Oppo BDP 95
Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
Totem Mask Surrounds X4
Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
Sony PS3
Squeezebox Touch
Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door. -
P-Town Polk wrote:JUST MY 2 CENTS...., forums really are not my style, people act ALOT DIFFERENT when on the computer than in person to person. IM out, sent a message to the moderator to disable my account!
yes and good bye to you also.
I'm already seeing sarcastic remarks to this post.
Don't stay so long next time -
P-Town, I understand where you are coming from and I agree that it does happen. However, that has nothing whatsoever to do with you questioning/doubting what gear anyone has.
Believe it or not, it used to be alot worse!:D The board however, is changing & growing & people are adapting to those changes INCLUDING the VETS!
Those vets have a lot of knowledge, and the majority are more than willing to share it politely. It is pretty easy to spot those that don't, & then you make a decision whether or not you choose to read their posts.
One thing I have learned is that you can't be TOO sensitive, & that the ignore feature is the best thing on the board!P-Town Polk wrote:I think my problem is with forums in general. I have surfed many forums in my time and curious look at posts to gain info. It always seem that there are a bunch of say 20 memebrs that are on everyday all day, and i dont get it. Also the way people talk to each other, its like a electronic gang. Some body gets a buddy on this forum and when comments are made about a topic they hold hands till death do them part. we have all seen it. I really enjoy this forum for info on speakers and general audio set ups.....but sometimes the regulars chime in and act as if they need red carpet.....you guys should really see some of the bashing that goes on here on this forum. I have only made 30 posts in my lifetime on this forum but before i joined I browsed a lot on this forum to help me set up my system. My downfall was asking a question.......Think about what kind of posts get the most attention on this forum. Im sure the vets will not agree, but i know for sure that there is a lot of newbies that feel the sameway. I've seen newbies pushed off because of "SOME" rude vets harrassing them.
check at the first part of the thread about the conversation on tweeter being hi fi or not.
In general people have the right to disagree, but also that person needs to respect the others opinon. I thougt profanity was not allowed on this forum?
thanks for all your help, or atleast the ones that were truthful...NAD,RT1,russ(not russman), and a few others.
A lot of vets will probably laughat this and say ....how stupid, but we have all thought about it once or twice.Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2 -
wingnut4772 wrote:OK you caught me red handed. This is my real system. I am so ashamed:o
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! LMAO!!"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
I'm already seeing sarcastic remarks to this post.
You are an idiot and a troll. Whether you leave or not does not matter to me since the ignore function works very well. Good-bye."Just because youre offended doesnt mean youre right." - Ricky Gervais
"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase
"Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson -
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Where do these lunatics come from?Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service. -
P-Town, Just as you are free to express yourself how you see fit, the same goes for the rest of us. It's very simple.....if you don't get any satisfaction being here and participating, just stop coming here. Your little diatribe isn't going to change a thing. Perhaps you are having a bad day (we all do) or you're just not in tune with how things run here. Nothing wrong with that, but you've had your say, now move along if this public forum doesn't work for you. No one is going to pat you on the back say "it's ok, we'll try to do it the way you want".
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
P-Town Polk wrote:I wonder how many people on this forum really have what they say.......Im still trying to correlate chating online in the middle of the day and owning a 30,000 system or even more. messed up priorites or really lucky. I have seen some pics of system set ups so im sure it is a very small amount....but i know your out there.
My 2 cent.....Rogue Audio stereo 100 tube amplifier - Lector Zoe preamplifier with 6H30 pi's
.Audience AU24SE speaker and ic cables- Chord Qutest DAC - Black Cat Silverstar II 75ohm digital cable-Tyler Acoustics Linbrook Signature system with large bass cabinets to accommodate 10" Seas magnesium woofers. -
I love my gear! At least it's better than Bose!!
There - I've said it; I got it out of my system. I feel so much better!_________________________
Main: Polk R50s
Center: Polk CSi3
Surround: Polk R30s
Rear: Polk R15s
Sub: Polk PSW12
Cherry Wood Edition
Whirlwind Cables/Connectors
Harman/Kardon AVR635
Harman/Kardon DVD 27
Sony RDR-GX300 DVDR
Sony Bravia 40" XBR1
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I think P-town needs to look at a recent post of someone dissing someone 's system modest or not we came to that persons defense, I have the means thank God to own some very nice gear but I also like and will always dig Polk, H-fi or not my Lsi' series speakers are very very Hi-fi in my opinion, and in the long run, that is the only one that should matter, to me at least.
CRj -
I dont get it, to me, interacting in a forum, your going to run into many different types of people with different views. Just like life.
I cant figure out why P-town snapped. of course people seem different in a forum then in real life. its because typing on a computer and talking in person are 2 completly different forms of communication.
eh, whatcha gonna do.
My friends look at my stuff and think its huge Hi-Fi. some here will call it midfi (at best ) I call it Lou-Fi, and its all that matters to me.
my generally worthless .02Living Room 2 Channel -
Schiit SYS Passive Pre. Jolida CD player. Songbird streamer. California Audio Labs Sigma II DAC, DIY 300as1/a1 Ice modules Class D amp. LSi15 with MM842 woofer upgrade, Nordost Blue Heaven and Unity interconnects.
Upstairs 2 Channel Rig -
Prometheus Ref. TVC passive pre, SAE A-205 Amp, Wiim pro streamer and Topping E50 DAC, California Audio Labs DX1 CD player, Von Schweikert VR3.5 speakers.
Studio Rig - Scarlett 18i20(Gen3) DAW, Mac Mini, Aiyma A07 Max (BridgedX2), Totem Mites