SACD vs. CD Question?
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F1nut wrote:Danny,
Any news on PF's Wish You Were Here?
All I know is that actual work is being done on it. Much like Genesis' catalog. -
Thanks Danny, I'm holding my breath.
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From superaudio-cd.com comes this piece of news. Superaudio-cd.com is a site run by Sony Europe and it features the 2nd most comprehensive online SACD listing. While those Japan-only SACDs can be expensive, the titles available....such as Santana's "Caravanserai" and Herbie Hancock's "Future Shock"....are remastered with extreme care. Try to look for them on ebay for the best prices.
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Thats it for me guys. I'm officially hooked on SACD. Listened to Ray Charles: Genius Loves Company, and introduced myself to Diana Krall last night. I was totally immersed in the sound, and glued to my seat. Now anything less than SACD is a bit of letdown. Danny Tse, you seem quite knowledgable about this format, I checked out your Blog, so thanks for all the info. Now I'm on a roll building my collection.Main theater: Paradigm Studio 100's v4 L/R, CC690 Center, ADP 590 x4 Surrounds. Dual Outlaw LFM-EX-1's, Yamaha Aventage RX-A1010 as Processor, Anthem PVA-7 Amp
Secondary System: Polk RTi 6 L/R, CSi3, Center, FXi3 x4 Surrounds, Def-Tech Supercube II, Pioneer Elite VSX-23 Receiver -
Just throwing this out.....for those looking to expand the old horizons just a tad, check out the RCA Living Stereo hybrid SACD's. They are all, that I've heard, FANTASTIC. Not only that, they are cheap, most can be had for 11.99 at most online retailers and brick and mortar stores. The Bartok Concerto for Orchestra is to die for and, as an added bonus, a superb SDA demo.
Most of the LS that I have on SACD I also have on vinyl and in most cases, find the SACD's as good if not better. This is not the case with the Mercury Living Presence series, I'm told.
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TroyD wrote:Just throwing this out.....for those looking to expand the old horizons just a tad, check out the RCA Living Stereo hybrid SACD's. They are all, that I've heard, FANTASTIC. Not only that, they are cheap, most can be had for 11.99 at most online retailers and brick and mortar stores. The Bartok Concerto for Orchestra is to die for and, as an added bonus, a superb SDA demo.
Some Living Stereo SACDs are available at yourmusic.com for $5.99 shipped + tax. -
Nelson57 wrote:Danny Tse, you seem quite knowledgable about this format, I checked out your Blog, so thanks for all the info. Now I'm on a roll building my collection.
Check out Ultimate Mancini...."The Pink Panther Theme" in hi-rez is to die for. -
Good luck trying to get them from yourmusic.com. Every one I tried to purchase was backordered and subsequently cancelled. Until that site actually HAS what it advertises, I'd say it's a sham.
BDTI plan for the future. - F1Nut -
TroyD wrote:Good luck trying to get them from yourmusic.com. Every one I tried to purchase was backordered and subsequently cancelled. Until that site actually HAS what it advertises, I'd say it's a sham.
BDT
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Troy,
Sorry to hear that yourmusic has not been good to you. I just got Elton John--Madman Across the Water from them as my Queue selection and have received/purchased almost all the SACD they have to offer. Well, maybe someone will get their butt in gear over their and get them in stock.
I will try and order one for you, see if you are an older member if you are able to get it or something like that. I already know some of the ones you want dude.
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there is a great site sa-cd.net that a fellow poster gave me, you can search thousands of titles and when you find one it tells you who has it and for how much. Im working on my collection whie awaiting for my sacd player to arrive Marantz sa8003.
I would have liked some SACDs made on the GRP label, they are jazz compliations but at sa-cd.net it lists also by label but under that label there is 0 listed as available, maybe they are working on it -
In searching various sacds I notice that where it says recording type, sometimes it says DSD and some say PCM and some say analog (like pink floyds dark side) although they are all SACDs is it just the original recording format converted to SACD or are some just the same old redbook on a SACD disk? what I mean is: is the original recording method change the SACD sound? does the DSD recording type mean its better then a PCM original recording?
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In order for an SACD to be an SACD it must be recorded and/or reformatted to DSD. Therefore, all SACD's are DSD and yes, they sound better than their redbook versions.Political Correctness'.........defined
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just to add to this older thread, SACD can also be played back via HDMI (ps3 comes to mind), though you'd need to run it through an avr with HDMI and most two channel setups don't incorperate an avr. mine does currently, but for how long is the question...
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http://polkarmy.com/forums/index.phpbobman1235 wrote:I have no facts to back that up, but I never let facts get in the way of my arguments. -
I was wondering about that (HDMI). Does this still mean that the bass management and crossover settings etc. would still be handled by the player, not the receiver or pre/pro? Does it yield any difference over using multi-channel analog connections?just to add to this older thread, SACD can also be played back via HDMI (ps3 comes to mind), though you'd need to run it through an avr with HDMI and most two channel setups don't incorperate an avr. mine does currently, but for how long is the question...Alea jacta est! -
Via HDMI, the processor/receiver/prepro does the processing."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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I was wondering about that (HDMI). Does this still mean that the bass management and crossover settings etc. would still be handled by the player, not the receiver or pre/pro? Does it yield any difference over using multi-channel analog connections?
i unfortunately have not tried this. i have no sacd's. if i did, my ps3 is in my ht room. i'd have to go HDMI out from ps3 to my onkyo receiver which accepts hdmi, then from there i'd have to get the signal to my two channel in the next room over to my h/k receiver via analog and from that receiver to the amps and so on and so forth. so basically for now, sacd will not be "my bag, baby".:(
POLK SDA-SRS 1.2TL -- ADCOM GFA-5802
PANASONIC PT-AE4000U -- DIY WILSONART DW 135" 2.35:1 SCREEN
ONKYO TX-SR805
CENTER: CSI5
MAINS: RTI8'S
SURROUNDS: RTI8'S
7.1 SURROUNDS: RTI6'S
SUB: SVS PB12-PLUS/2 (12.3 series)
XBOX 360WiiPS3/blu-rayTOSHIBA HD-A35 hd dvd
http://polkarmy.com/forums/index.phpbobman1235 wrote:I have no facts to back that up, but I never let facts get in the way of my arguments. -
Are you sure about this Face? If so, it would be a big benefit, since receivers have much more flexible settings than entry level SACD players (namely Oppo, and I know they may not be very good, but I have not considered the more expensive stuff).Via HDMI, the processor/receiver/prepro does the processing.Alea jacta est! -
Now is that actually the DSD signal that is being sent, or is it down converted into PCM, Last I knew the SACD player did not pass a DSD signal, and even if it did I believe the receiver or / pre/pro would see the signal and say wtf???????
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dudeinaroom wrote: »Now is that actually the DSD signal that is being sent, or is it down converted into PCM, Last I knew the SACD player did not pass a DSD signal, and even if it did I believe the receiver or / pre/pro would see the signal and say wtf???????
It depends on the player. I think it takes HDMI 1.3 to pass the DSD signal and the AVR receiver must also be able to convert it. I have a Pioneer Elite DV-48 which will pass the pure DSD to my Onkyo 705. The default settings are to convert it to PCM. -
It depends on the player. I think it takes HDMI 1.3 to pass the DSD signal and the AVR receiver must also be able to convert it. I have a Pioneer Elite DV-48 which will pass the pure DSD to my Onkyo 705. The default settings are to convert it to PCM.
Actually, starting with HDMI 1.2, you will be able to send the native DSD bitstream out....unprocessed. The Pioneer Elite DV-48 is one player that can do that, and the Oppo 980 is another. No conversion if using the HDMI output. On the Oppo, if you are using the analog outputs, then the player converts DSD >>> PCM 88.2 before going to the analog jacks. -
If so, it would be a big benefit, since receivers have much more flexible settings than entry level SACD players (namely Oppo, and I know they may not be very good, but I have not considered the more expensive stuff).
At that point, your Oppo would merely function as a transport. Stereophile's Kal Rubinson uses a (modded) Oppo 980, output thru the Oppo's HDMI output, to a way-more-expensive Onkyo/Integra pre/pro for processing.dudeinaroom wrote: »Now is that actually the DSD signal that is being sent, or is it down converted into PCM, Last I knew the SACD player did not pass a DSD signal, and even if it did I believe the receiver or / pre/pro would see the signal and say wtf???????
You will need to have a receiver or pre/pro that can decode DSD. At the low end, Yamaha's 663 HT receiver can do that at a street price of about $400.00 -
The 980H is what I have at the moment. I got it with the intention of trying DVD-A and SACD but have not yet bought the analog cables.At that point, your Oppo would merely function as a transport. Stereophile's Kal Rubinson uses a (modded) Oppo 980, output thru the Oppo's HDMI output, to a way-more-expensive Onkyo/Integra pre/pro for processing. ...
Considering what you said about the analog output:
I am assuming that this is not such a great idea, HDMI would be preferable?On the Oppo, if you are using the analog outputs, then the player converts DSD >>> PCM 88.2 before going to the analog jacks...Alea jacta est! -
I am assuming that this is not such a great idea, HDMI would be preferable?
The best, of course, is to have only DSD >>> analog conversion. However, from what I can tell, the conversion of the Oppo when using the analog outputs is transparent enough that it doesn't hinder the enjoyment of SACD. I'd advise you to read the reviews on the Oppo, many of which have comparisons of analog vs. the HDMI outputs.
I think it's also good to mention that even megabuck SACD players, such as those from Accuphase, do a DSD >>> PCM >>> analog conversion when the analog outputs are used. -
Not mine.Political Correctness'.........defined
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