The Most Incredible Sound Rig You Ever.....

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  • Posts: 46
    edited February 2006
    What's a fair market value for a good condition pair? What were they offering you for them?
  • Posts: 9,312
    edited February 2006
    Well, its ambitous for sure, of course he could of went for the Sunfire 9.1 instead of the Pioneer, I mean 9 sets would probably be enough!

    RT1
  • Posts: 13,093
    edited February 2006
    RuSsMaN wrote:
    Yeah, if you could lick your own privates you would too, so what.

    I'd never leave the house.

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
  • Posts: 6,502
    edited February 2006
    TroyD wrote:
    I'd never leave the house.

    BDT


    had to see THAT comin :D
    Living Room 2 Channel -
    Schiit SYS Passive Pre. Jolida CD player. Songbird streamer. California Audio Labs Sigma II DAC, DIY 300as1/a1 Ice modules Class D amp. LSi15 with MM842 woofer upgrade, Nordost Blue Heaven and Unity interconnects.

    Upstairs 2 Channel Rig -
    Prometheus Ref. TVC passive pre, SAE A-205 Amp, Wiim pro streamer and Topping E50 DAC, California Audio Labs DX1 CD player, Von Schweikert VR3.5 speakers.

    Studio Rig - Scarlett 18i20(Gen3) DAW, Mac Mini, Aiyma A07 Max (BridgedX2), Totem Mites
  • Posts: 12,434
    edited February 2006
    I contracted to buy something from a guy in Vermont.

    So what did you buy?
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
  • Posts: 28,800
    edited February 2006
    Troy...

    Unless you going to sit here and prove to me that an out of phase signal of the inphase signal running together dosnt cause a cancelation, you're talking out of your rear.

    When you're messing with that many in and out of phase signals, something is going to cancel out - some where, some how...

    I wouldnt touch George's daughter with a ten foot pole, Im sure shes great - but I dont want to even meet George, much less see him more than once. So you have no worries.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • Posts: 6,502
    edited February 2006
    and heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere we gooooooo!

    pulls up chair, with bowl of freshly popped popcorn
    Living Room 2 Channel -
    Schiit SYS Passive Pre. Jolida CD player. Songbird streamer. California Audio Labs Sigma II DAC, DIY 300as1/a1 Ice modules Class D amp. LSi15 with MM842 woofer upgrade, Nordost Blue Heaven and Unity interconnects.

    Upstairs 2 Channel Rig -
    Prometheus Ref. TVC passive pre, SAE A-205 Amp, Wiim pro streamer and Topping E50 DAC, California Audio Labs DX1 CD player, Von Schweikert VR3.5 speakers.

    Studio Rig - Scarlett 18i20(Gen3) DAW, Mac Mini, Aiyma A07 Max (BridgedX2), Totem Mites
  • Posts: 28,800
    edited February 2006
    *Pulls up the soap box and interuption buzzer*

    Lets get ready to rumble!

    If you guys havnt figured out by now that I am only posting in this thread to do a hook, line, sinker - then I dont know what to tell you. This is like the 4th post where Ive posted the same exact thing and all you guys can say is the same exact thing. NOTHING.

    All you can say is Im a moron for saying a dipolar speaker can cause cancelations... yet its a true fact by design...

    Yeah anyways.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • Posts: 13,093
    edited February 2006
    Sid, I'm not going to argue with you because, one, I don't give a ****.

    Two, phasing isn't the only 'issue' involved. Three, Magnepan is doing a BOOMING business selling ribbon HT speakers (that, I may add, operate with the same basic principle) and they seem to work QUITE well. I'm not saying it's a gimmie but it CAN work.

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
  • Posts: 28,800
    edited February 2006
    First off...

    Who said it COULDNT work? Eh?

    I tried itd be a PAIN TO SETUP *right* - as in, it has a chance to be setup correctly and effectively...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • Posts: 13,093
    edited February 2006
    Apparently the guys George are describing think they have the room and are willing to exert the effort, so who are YOU to tell them different?

    Two, you STILL have not addressed my point about Maggies.

    Three, reflections are an issue with any multi-channel setup.

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
  • Posts: 28,800
    edited February 2006
    Reflections are an issue in ANY setup... The difference between any other setup and the proposed one in the top of this thread is your looking at an out of phase signal to every in phase signal. Thats a much different animal.

    Who said I was saying it wasnt worth it to them. I think its a horrible idea and putting those speakers on the surround channel (two pair at that) is a waste of a (obviously) great speaker. I dont see the point in that. But whatever.

    Maggies? While the Maggies and Amazings share the ribbon design (since you keep mentioning it), the Amazings also use Woofers. Most of the time bass and midbass is the most noticeable when it comes to the nulls caused by cancelations, where as Maggies produce next to no bass - atleast not to the extent a pair of Amazings will...

    But any signal, produced in phase and out of phase will have the threat of having cancelations, I dont care if Definitive Technology, Bose or JM Lab is stamped on the front of it, its all one in the same. Its a design, DIPOLAR = inphase and out of phase... which = CANCELATION.

    You can call me a moron or whatever you want, dosnt matter - but you arnt going to change the whole design by doing it.

    Also dosnt change my original post, its going to be a PITA to setup if they want to do it right and with a flat response.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • Posts: 13,093
    edited February 2006
    Sid, regardless of the FR, the premise is still the same. Dipolar is dipolar, regardless of the type of driver involved.

    You seem to be hung up on the reflection, if I remember correctly, the information coming from the backside of the speaker IS out of phase, however, once it reflects off the rear wall, it reverses phase again, no?

    I NEVER called you a moron, I just take issue with your know it all attitude.

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
  • Posts: 28,800
    edited February 2006
    How is it a know it all attitude? Dipolar technology is a common technology with a simple idea. And once it reflects off the wall and becomes inphase, then an inphase signal reflecting off the wall would become out of phase. So its still an opposite signal, so whats your point? And you cant tell me a inphase signal is impervious to change or some non-sense, I dont think the wall is judgemental.

    I post what I post to throw a hook and see what it gets. If you reply back calling me a moron or trying to say Im some kind of jackass because Im sitting here stating the absolute obvious because yalls head is stuck so far up George's rear its sickening - if I had posted ANYTHING *REMOTELY* close to what George posted, Id be so flamed "Oh thats a waste of speaker, thats stupid, thatll never work" - Yeah ok, whatever folks. Im gonna go put TWO PAIRS OF SDA 1.2TL for my surrounds... dont even tell me thats not a waste of speaker...

    Its all double standard BS. The only person around here with a know it all attitude is you two clowns. All you keep arguing is an extention of my argument AGAINST my argument - which is exactly what I keep saying.

    All you keep doing is adding on to what I am saying to try to make your point.

    Its not a know it all anything, Im only arguing from one side of the wall and thats an out of phase signal combined with an in phase signal will cause a cancelation... and you havnt been able to tell me otherwise...

    Is that wrong?
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • Posts: 28,800
    edited February 2006
    And considering most sounds are based in the midrange to midbass frequencies, my argument is also a valid argument. If there is a null in the high end the chances of you noticing unless its really extreme is unlikely. But if there is a null in the midrange to midbass, the chances of you noticing it are very likely.

    Yes, I know Maggies play a midrange signal, and Im going to sit here and tell you that they would be just as painful to set up as the Amazings. So what?

    If thats what you want, thats what you want. But not many people are going to be buying an all out Maggie HT for sound, although Im sure it sounds REALLY good - I think the big premise there is they take up NO room AT ALL.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • Posts: 13,093
    edited February 2006
    Sid, I'm not going to argue with you because what you are saying makes no sense to me. Maybe I'm not getting it, but, I'm not getting it.

    Actually, Sid, the Maggie HT setup IS selling well and is well very well reviewed.



    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
  • Posts: 12,258
    edited February 2006
    "Edgar, Henry. What you guys are trying to do is impossible." Rudy Bozak

    "Edgar, Henry. We have a lot of really talented guys right here at Altec-Lansing. If there was anything to your idea these guys would've known about it." Another guy who would eat his words.



    Thank you Zero, you zero, for that valuable contribution to what looks like either the worst or best Holiday Inn Express commercial I've ever seen.

    You reknowned gentleman in the field of speaker research and psycho-acoustics won't have to worry about ever seeing a post like this from me again. I realize some of you have been in the field for almost 12 hours now. My mistake. I'm **** sorry I ever started this thread. I'll abandon it.
  • Posts: 5,647
    edited February 2006
    GG - don't be sorry! This thread was more entertaining than most of the worthless shows on all 200 cable channels I have available :)
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
  • Posts: 28,800
    edited February 2006
    I thought so too...

    I was also hoping for a more engaging reply than... "I dont have a clue what your trying to say..."

    But ya know, whatever.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • Posts: 28,800
    edited February 2006
    Troy,
    Whether you want to believe me or not - I try to put effort in replies when I am trying to explain something I have learned or have picked up along the way. The reason why I try to explain - particularly to people with much more experience is so they can read it and correct me if I am wrong...

    The reason why I get quick to the defensive is no one ever *tries* to correct me, they just try to take something and stick it out there that is either irrelevant or just dosnt make sense. Im not saying your replies are - that is not the case, but your giving me replies, and although they are saying something, it is not really arguing with me, its really just agreeing - but you're trying to say its ok. Im arguing it and Im saying I wouldnt want to deal with it and that the whole idea is a waste of speaker... (to me) - maybe not to others...

    Now I may come off as slightly forward in my approach, but this board has been full of wire and BS debates - so why not change the atmosphere a little bit, no? You may think discussing something beyond that with a 17 year old kid is stupid or I cant handle it, but I can take anything you got as long as you want to explain the reasoning and do it without the petty shots that requires me to jump on a defensive myself.

    This might be asking for to much, but I expect to get the same kind of reply I give. If I take the time to atleast *try* to thoroughly explain what I am trying to say, I expect something similar, whether it is to disagree or to totally discredit me.

    You may find Im not worth the time, and if thats the case - Id prefer you just not reply than make me have to explain constantly just so you can say the same thing.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • Posts: 12,518
    edited February 2006
    I thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread! :D:D:D:D

    But besides the side-show, the original idea is quite intriguing. I, too, can't imagine the cost and attention to detail such a setup would require to be done right, but it'd sure be amazing to hear it once it's finished.

    GG - If you hear anything more about how this is coming along, do share.
    Jstas wrote: »
    Simple question. If you had a cool million bucks, what would you do with it?
    Wonder WTF happened to the rest of my money.
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  • Posts: 12,096
    edited February 2006
    Damn, what happened, :confused: this was an interesting thread. I come back from work and now it's "INCOMING",,just when it was getting interesting, oh well :(
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
  • Posts: 13,093
    edited February 2006
    Sid, what you are saying about the cancellation makes no sense to me. The dipolar aspect, as far as I'm concerned is a non-issue given enough space. What you seem to be saying is that just because it's dipolar, there is cancellation which is just not true. That's how planar dipoles throw such a large soundstage, is the reflected backwave. It's in phase (after it's reflected) but with time delay to add spaciousness. At least that is what I've been led to believe and based on MY experience with the Amazings, found it to be so.

    Your talking about FR and so forth, really has nothing to do with cancellation from my understanding. To me, it sounds like you are talking out your ****.

    Again, you are WRONG about the Maggie HT speakers. One, the premise is EXACTLY the same. Frequency response has NOTHING to do with it. Two, they are, by all accounts VERY popular. Magnepan is selling a LOT of these speakers.

    Look, I've been civil but, you are talking out of your ****. YOU are the one whining and crying here.

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
  • Posts: 8,586
    edited February 2006
    Oh man... this started out as a good thread... now, its gone to the crapper.

    Ah well.... :(.
    Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R
  • Posts: 28,800
    edited February 2006
    Well now that you've completely misunderstood everything Ive said.

    Maybe you forget that I own speakers that do the same exact thing, just in-phase from the get go.

    I have never even heard of the phase changing as it hits the wall, that sounds like hogwash to me personally. I dont see how that would work - because if thats the case, everytime any signal hit the wall it would change phase... that just dosn't sound right to me. I will have to ask someone else about that one. Because my speakers throw out an in-phase signal in every direction, if what you're saying is true, my speakers which produce two inphase signals would cancel each other out. By design, it does not do that.

    You said it changes phase as it reflects off the wall, ok - well wouldnt the direct signal change phase once it reflects off a wall thus making it out of phase? It just dosn't make sense...

    I never said just because it is dipolar it will cause a cancelation. Placement is everything, I did say however that In phase and Out of phase in the same can* (can being the keyword) cause a cancelation. Are you trying to say that it somehow magically bounces off a wall that its a different signal?

    I personally want to see your source on that, and not from some person either... I guess I could just ask Cof on S&V...

    As for me talking about the frequency range, from what I understand we dont hear as good in the higher end spectrum - so having nulls in that range wouldnt effect the sound as much as having nulls in the midrange to midbass - but any null is a bad thing. I never said that has anything to do with cancelation. Your making it into something its not. Im talking about actual hearing and locating that of a null to the point of it compromising your sound. This is my way of seperating the maggies from the Amazings. They dont play low at all, therefore wouldnt cause the nulls that the Amazings possibly could. But - regardless, they send an inphase and out of phase signal, thus can cause a null at any point in the spectrum.

    Im not wrong about the Maggie HT speakers. I said Im sure they sound GOOD, but Im sure their biggest premise is their size, which would attract alot of listeners that arnt THAT concerned with sound. Im not saying people who care about sound dont own them. You can apply that to my statement all you want but thats putting words in MY mouth.

    Bose is very popular too by the way, they sell probally 70-80% of the market and they get all kinds of rave reviews. All that means squat. Im in no way comparing Maggies to Bose, dont even think that - Im just discrediting that whole "selling alot + good reviews = good" idea - Axiom is another brand that comes to mind with that statement. They're built like garbage but people still like them.

    I understand* the concept behind reflections, dipolar and bipolar. I OWN a pair of speakers that FEATURE similar technology, I KNOW how hard it is to set these speakers up and mine dont even present the possible problems dipolar speakers do.

    You have not been civil either, the first reply pertaining to me was an insult - hello?
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • Posts: 8,586
    edited February 2006
    BTW, Sid...

    Do you OWN a pair of the Grande Utopias??? I just saw it on your site....

    I was like.... WTH?!?!

    Anyway, carry on.
    Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R
  • Posts: 28,800
    edited February 2006
    My Dad does.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • Posts: 12,518
    edited February 2006
    ...nvm
    Jstas wrote: »
    Simple question. If you had a cool million bucks, what would you do with it?
    Wonder WTF happened to the rest of my money.
    In Use
    PS3, Yamaha CDR-HD1300, Plex, Amazon Fire TV Gen 2
    Pioneer Elite VSX-52, Parasound HCA-1000A
    Klipsch RF-82ii, RC-62ii, RS-42ii, RW-10d
    Epson 8700UB

    In Storage
    [Home Audio]
    Rotel RCD-02, Yamaha KX-W900U, Sony ST-S500ES, Denon DP-7F
    Pro-Ject Phono Box MKII, Parasound P/HP-850, ASL Wave 20 monoblocks
    Klipsch RF-35, RB-51ii

    [Car Audio]
    Pioneer Premier DEH-P860MP, Memphis 16-MCA3004, Boston Acoustic RC520
  • Posts: 5,020
    edited February 2006
    RuSsMaN wrote:
    Yeah, if you could lick your own privates you would too, so what.

    It gets boring...
  • Posts: 28,800
    edited February 2006
    Troy,
    I was doing a little reading. You are right, the phase does change.

    However, according to what I read, it changes *EVERYTIME* is hits a hard surface. (IE: A wall) - So, its not as simple as it hitting the wall and it now being out of phase or in phase. Dipolar or bipolar, the end result could be an out of phase signal and an in phase signal, thus causing a cancelation.

    Now, getting back to the original topic - you put 7 speakers, that radiate front and back... thats 14 sound radiation patterns, now you're looking at all the reflection points between here there and yonder and you can only wonder at what is about to happen in the end... Which is my original argument, it would be a pain to setup right.

    Back to our current argument, assuming everytime the waves hit the wall it changes phase - this means that the front wave could also change, this means that if they both changed - it would be moot and its really all the same. Which mean in a bipolar setup it wouldnt be any different either, thus no cancelation would occur. But in a dipolar the chances of a cancelation occuring are still just as high.

    So saying it hits the wall and its an in phase signal would be off as well...

    Hmmm
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.

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