most expensive cables

Skynut

I think diminishing returns is the key.
If I like the sound of my $500.00 silver plated ofc wires will I like the $10,000.00 solid gold wires any better? Will they be worth the extra $9500.00?
If I have a budget like billy gates I might wire my whole house on 14k gold wires with some kind of titanium sheild and kevlar outer covering color matched to the paint applied to the inside of all my walls. However, most of us wouldn't spend that kind of money to save a loved one from the electric chair.

So to sum it up I have said nothing at all.

F1nut

BjornB17 wrote:

I think anyone who buys cables like these needs to go and take some classes at the local university to learn how they are just wasting their money by buying sutff like this. Lets say you spend $1000 to take a couple physics or EE courses at the university, you will still save thousands by knowing not to buy these cables!

Measure this, I think you're crackpot! I also know that there is ALWAYS a scientific explanation as to why you are a crackpot, but that doesn't excuse you.







I also think you should repeat English 101.

shack

Every few months or so we get a new group of "experts" who want to tell everyone all about cables and how anyone who buys into the "snake oil" or "placebo" is an idiot.

I know I've said it before...but I would like to reinterate....

I DON'T F***ING CARE ANYMORE!

So please feel free not to waste your effort on me....

W WALDECKER

I have tried various cables and now i am done searching as if feel that there is no need to look any further. my speaker and ic cables are giving me what i believe is a clean, open and uncolored pathway into the sound. were they cheap ? no . were they worth it ? hell yeah! i look at cables as another audio component that will either enhance or detract from the overall quality of the sound.system synergy is key and my current cables make a huge difference in my system. thanks....WCW III

TroyD

Here is the thing that kills me, why is the onus of proof on us to prove our point of view?

The majority of audio enthusiasts agree that there is a difference, so why is it up to the majority to prove thier position?

BDT

gregure

I believe in cables, but would not spend more than the speaker is worth on cables, unless I could get them for free. If I had my druthers, I get a pair of Volcano from Audioquest, and be happy for life! $3500 for a 10' pair. Of course, that would be to connect my Sonus Faber Stradivari!
Actually, it's kind of funny-in the Sonus Faber catalog they have a pair of Guarneri pictured with Monster XP coming out of their tail ends. That's ridiculous.

BobMcG

shack wrote:

Every few months or so we get a new group of "experts" who want to tell everyone all about cables and how anyone who buys into the "snake oil" or "placebo" is an idiot.

I know I've said it before...but I would like to reinterate....

I DON'T F***ING CARE ANYMORE!

So please feel free not to waste your effort on me....

Well put. Thank you.

Perhaps the only difference between you (shack) and me is I stopped caring one heck of a long F***ING time ago.

madmax

I REALLY wish cables didn't make a difference. I would be more than happy to cash out on mine. I can't see them, what the eff do I care. I could buy a REALLY nice CD setup for what I have in cables. Unfortunately, I would never realize any benifit without them. At this point I'm up against another $3K for a cable for my TT. What else can I do, I'm limited at this point. Like most thrifty people with a little know how, I'll try some DIY and hope I get lucky but what are the chances. Remember, it's not the cost of the materials, it's the research behind them. Sure, if anyone wants to give me the proper formula I can get off for nothing, maybe. That formula is the end all though. I'm all about both ends of this. You guys can argue to the end but what matters is than you pick out the right characteristics.
madmax

WilliamM2

The majority of audio enthusiasts agree that there is a difference, so why is it up to the majority to prove thier position?

I doubt it is a majority, probably not even 50%. The question should not be "why do we have to prove it?". The real question is: If the difference is so obvious, why can't you prove it? Should be easy...

amulford

It is. To me. I really could give a red rat's **** what opinions others have.

Those that don't know, don't know that they don't know...

F1nut

Actually William, I can prove it. You bring whatever cables you want over here and I'll be happy to.

You need to check out other sites, like Audiogon, to see what's really going on in the world of HiFi.

Last comment, can you prove they don't make a difference and why does it bother people like you and Bjorn that so many can tell the difference? Jealously?

madmax

WilliamM2 wrote:

I doubt it is a majority, probably not even 50%. The question should not be "why do we have to prove it?". The real question is: If the difference is so obvious, why can't you prove it? Should be easy...

To me, it is a question which can be answered. Lets take 1000 people who have a new cable. If one hears a difference (truthfully hears a difference) then there is obviously a difference. It may be minor, it may depend on equipment, it may depend on synergy, it may depend on many things. The thing is, if this one person hears a difference, there must be one. If the other 999 don't, it just means that whatever the difference is doesn't rear its head in their systems. Keep in mind I said the one person "truthfully hears a difference". Take this like anything else. One person continually says "I feel it in the atmosphere that the weather is changing, I don't know why but it is". Lets say that everytime he says that, it does. I'm sorry, but that person probably senses something that the rest doesn't. That is an exagerated example because unlike audio cables, it is a single person, not enough to keep thousands of cable manufacturers in business. Do you really think that many people are living in the land of make believe with their hard earned money? Seems a little silly to believe such a thing. For years I couldn't hear a difference. Thankfully I've built my system into one which is detailed enough to now realize a difference. The only reasonable response would be that I just want to say my system can realize a difference. This is simply not true. I could easily trade off all the new found cables and purchase some equipment I could easily tout as being better than most due to the status of the make and model. Seriously, I would rather do that and "seem" superior. I really have no interest in that though. I have never been above saying something to the effect that "nah, I put the money in and found out it didn't make a difference. I know the non-belivers believe what they are saying. Before I found out, I was one of them.
madmax

beardog03

I am a believer..
I never thought about it until I found this forum, and upgraded my rigs (dramatically).
I did learn that $ does not mean better sound.
A good quality cable will obviously sound better tan the crap that came with a store bought unit...
I read about AQ cables for a long time...researched other cables also..
I didn`t get the chance to audition the diamondbacks before the program ended, but I figured if the Diamondbacks sounded good, as good as I read about, then the King Cobra`s would be a step up...because they cost more and were a couple clicks above the diamondbacks..
I was wrong...I liked the Cobra`s, but then bought all diamondbacks for the 5ch HT rig, and liked them better...
I learned what the term Synergy ment by accident.
I then got a pair of MIT S1`s, and replaced the cobra`s on the two channel rig..
WOW...BIg difference....It was like several veils were lifted.
The faucet was turned wide open and ALL the sound flowed freely..

The AQ`s are well built cables and are very good at sending the signals were they need to go, BUT...on my system, the one I have now, I can hear the difference between each set of cables I have.I may not have the best gear going, but it`s descent enough...
The gear I had before was not capable of letting me hear the difference, so I didn`t know what I was missing..
Brand names aside...I can hear the difference between my AQ`s and my MIT`s...and I have the Cobra`s , Diamondacks , S1 & S3 Shotguns...
It all depends on what your looking for in a cable (sound quality), and what works best with your combo of gear (synergy)..
Sometimes it takes a long time to get the right gear/cable combo, and sometimes ya get lucky and find it...and some never find exactly what thier looking for in a system..

But to most of us, it`s the searching for "that sound" that`s half the fun..
and the learning process that comes with it..

Take your gear up a few serious notches and tell me if you can hear the difference then..
a cable is not just a cable, and a 6922/6dj8 tube is not just another 6922 tube...ya they both will work fine, but they WILL have different qualities that you can hear if you take the time to listen...

with an open mind...

Just my .03
That`s my story and I`m stickin to it..

madmax

Beardog, I find it hard to believe the S1's sound better than the $0.59 cables that came with your components. Who sold you that crap anyway...
madmax

beardog03

Mark..!!






J/K...!!

madmax

Hmmm... Who did I sell mine too...
madmax

beardog03

actaully I have Jesse to blame for my awakening with MIT..

Mark showed me what a good SS amp should be...my Parasound HCA-3500..!!
and of course my Pre amp(s)

Mark`s hard work with the cable swap program opened my eyes to the differences in cables ...

Thanks again Mark..!!

BjornB17

F1nut wrote:

Measure this, I think you're crackpot! I also know that there is ALWAYS a scientific explanation as to why you are a crackpot, but that doesn't excuse you.







I also think you should repeat English 101.

Don't get mad at me just because you probably wasted a ton of money on interconnects. I was sincere in my posts, but the only things that you can come up with are random insults.

BjornB17

TroyD wrote:

I seriously have no intention of debating this or starting a pissing contest with anyone.

I honestly don't care what you believe, I'm not likely to convince you or vice versa.

Next subject

BDT

If you're not trying to convince anybody of anything, and you don't care at all, then why are you still posting in this thread?

I've noticed a trend with you - you become really rude when someone doesn't see things your way.

BjornB17

Skynut wrote:

So to sum it up I have said nothing at all.

This is honestly the smartest post in this whole thread

beardog03

so what...your sayin I`m stupid..?

Let`s just agree to disagree and let those with something to add to the discussion talk..

no really, I was just giving an honest reaccounting of events, not just an opinion..

BjornB17

beardog03 wrote:

so what...your sayin I`m stupid..?

Let`s just agree to disagree and let those with something to add to the discussion talk..

no really, I was just giving an honest reaccounting of events, not just an opinion..

I'm not sure whether or not this post was directed towards me, but I am definately not calling anybody stupid. I just get annoyed by the idea that people claim to hear things that are not measureable. I agree that some cables can sound better than others, but i think that in many cases, a $1000 cable probably wont sound better than a cable that costs $100 or maybe even less. If someone can show me some graphs to prove otherwise, I'd appreciate it.

F1nut

BjornB17 wrote:

Don't get mad at me just because you probably wasted a ton of money on interconnects. I was sincere in my posts, but the only things that you can come up with are random insults.

See that's the thing, you say I "probably" wasted my money, which indicates to me that you don't really know one way or the other......just a shot in the dark quess on your part because you can't, won't or haven't been able to hear a difference for yourself. Well genius, do you really think I would say I could hear a difference (even offer to have anyone, including you, come to my house to show that cables do make a difference) just because!?! Have you not read post after post of people here that can hear a difference? Do you think it's all in their minds???

As for your sincerity, don't kid yourself. Your post was a blatant insult to anyone who uses "high end" cables. I'm not mad, but I am bothered by the fact that you opened your mouth without knowing what you're talking about.

Maybe this will help you understand. A watt is a watt, correct....this we can agree on. Then why does XX's 100 wpc amp sound so different than XZY's 100 wpc amp? I mean all watts are the same, something that can be measured, yet they still sound different. How can that be....think about it.

BjornB17

F1nut wrote:

See that's the thing, you say I "probably" wasted my money, which indicates to me that you don't really know one way or the other......just a shot in the dark quess on your part because you can't, won't or haven't been able to hear a difference for yourself.

I said "probably" because I don't know whether or not you are one of the people who shells out tons of cash on these things.

F1nut wrote:

Maybe this will help you understand. A watt is a watt, correct....this we can agree on. Then why does XX's 100 wpc amp sound so different than XZY's 100 wpc amp? I mean all watts are the same, something that can be measured, yet they still sound different. How can that be....think about it.

So are you suggesting that the quantity of watts is the only thing that could be looked at? Hmmmm...

I guess you are suggesting that differences in sound just magically happen.

Frank Z

F1nut wrote:

Then why does XX's 100 wpc amp sound so different than XZY's 100 wpc amp? I mean all watts are the same, something that can be measured, yet they still sound different. How can that be....think about it.

An Amplifiers design is a lot more complicated than a straight piece of conductive material.

Let this be the last word...
If you hear a difference, good for you! You got something for your money.
If you don't hear a difference, get your money back and no harm done.

See how easy that was.

I think we're done here....Next Blood Feud please. :rolleyes:

BjornB17

Frank Z wrote:

An Amplifiers design is a lot more complicated than a straight piece of conductive material.

Let this be the last word...
If you hear a difference, good for you! You got something for your money.
If you don't hear a difference, get your money back and no harm done.

See how easy that was.

I think we're done here....Next Blood Feud please. :rolleyes:

Fair enough I don't mean to make enemies here. I'm just trying to a prove a point which a strongly belive in. :eek:

F1nut

But Frank, I enjoy this.

BTW Bjorn, here's some late night reading for you. http://www.mitcables.com/technology/

BjornB17

F1nut wrote:

But Frank, I enjoy this.

Me too, let the fight rage on! *punches F1nut*

TroyD

I think what F1 is alluding to is that it is entirely possible to have two items measure the exact same and sound completely different.

Ok, tube gear vs. solid state gear...by just about any standard of measurement you care to apply, on paper, solid state has 'better' measurement yet explain why people prefer tubes.

Planar loudspeakers are regarded as being a very desireable yet, thier measurements are far worse than others. Explain that.

What I'm getting at is that measurements don't always tell the story. You can't always correlate measurments to audibility. Why do different capacitors sound different? Theoretically, they should be identical, no?

Lastly, what high end cables on high end rigs are you basing your opinion on? Just from a credibility standpoint, unless you've actually HEARD them, you are just pissing in the wind.

BDT

shack

F1nut wrote:

But Frank, I enjoy this.

But isn't it just TOO easy? :rolleyes: