monitor 60's vs 70's
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and another one!!!
I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
If you're going to stay with the 70's, get a sub that will do the system more justice than the PSW10.
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Zombie Boy, you must also look at the gear Bjourn is running. He is double stacking subs and is partly why his systems sounds more balanced. If you keep the 70's you should get a better sub than the PSW 10. Thats why I recommended the 60's because they blend perfectly with the PSW 10. Also if you are going to spend 399.99 a speaker you may want to look into the RTi line with higher quality tweeters. The entry level speaker costs about $340. BIG speakers need Big subs ....well atleast with the POLK monitor line and some RTi's, LSi different story....
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P-Town Polk wrote:Zombie Boy, you must also look at the gear Bjourn is running. He is double stacking subs and is partly why his systems sounds more balanced. If you keep the 70's you should get a better sub than the PSW 10. Thats why I recommended the 60's because they blend perfectly with the PSW 10. Also if you are going to spend 399.99 a speaker you may want to look into the RTi line with higher quality tweeters. The entry level speaker costs about $340. BIG speakers need Big subs ....well atleast with the POLK monitor line and some RTi's, LSi different story....
I actually have the PSW10 on ebay because i figured i could use the extra cash
Of course im keeping the Velodyne CHT because it kicks major butt PSW10s are going for about 150+ on ebay right now so that seemed reasonable to me. Im going to put the extra cash towards monoblocks in the future.
Anyway, I was able to get the Monitor 70s for $299 each at circuit city. That's $100 off each. You can definately negotiate with them. I also got the 'free' PSW10 along with them. If can get $150 off of selling it, that would reduce the effect cost for each Monitor 70 even further. You can definately negotiate with circuit city You can usually get away with leaving them a relatively small profit margin if you push hard enough.
For the price, i think either Monitor 70 or RTi8 would be great. I heard the RTi8s a while back before i knew much about audio so I cant give a direct comparison of how they sounded, but i remember that they sounded good as well.KEF Q150 | Rythmik F12 | Yamaha Aventage RX-A780 -
Here my two cents on this whole subject, which seems to be going on for awhile. When you read all of the reviews on the 70's vs the 60's on Polk website vs. the others the complaint that the 70's are too muddy is a recurring theme. My own in store listening experience is the same as well. Sure it helps to tweek with the settings a bit but then you may not be "using your whole speaker". IMO it is just better to go with the 60's if they sound better or cearer overall.
I had the same experience with choosing my RTi8's. The RTi10's seemed to be lacking midrange somewhere and the 12's sounded weaker overall, as they most likely need a LOT of power to hit their peak performance (maybe this is the case with the 70's as well). So although it is less speaker, connected to the AVR it just sounded better.
Now some of course say "Well the larger speaker IS better, you just need more power (i.e. a dedicated power amp) to make them shine. Well this is all fine and good, IF you want to take the extra step and spend the extra money for that. For me I know I was most likely going to be running off a receiver for quite awhile, so a lesser speaker suited my needs better. The way I see it, you not only need to pay for more speaker, you then have to pay for a pre/pro if you dont have preouts already AND then pay for the power amp, and those quality watts aint cheap. When youre all done, its a pretty penny you end up dropping. Thats all good if you got a decent gig, but tougher if youre punching a clock like most people out there. And if youre going with the monitor (or in my case RTi) line then you dont have a TON of money to blow on that.
So overall I guess what Im saying is know what your needs are and find a speaker to suit those needs best, and sometimes its a lesser speaker. Sure you can have the better one just to have it, but if you dont use it all. It reminds me of my rich uncle who has a garge full of every expensive tool you could want and NO idea how to use them He just wants them to have them, not use them to their full potential.
First let me say that I LOVE this forum and all the polkies. But sometimes it is hard to get honest advice on how to get better sound on budget. Most people respond to questions with "Well if you get more power... get more speaker... and a couple SVS's... etc." Sure upgrading is ALWAYS a fix, but thats an easy answer. But sometimes it is trickier to get an answer of how to improve your setup with the gear you have, without blowing a ton of money
OK my long post that I thought would take a paragraph at most is now done -Stopher
Tempe, AZ
Setup:
Polk RTi8 Mains
Polk CSi5 Center
Polk FXi3's Surround
Cerwin Vega HTS10 Subwoofer
Yamaha HTR-5740 AVR
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StopherJJ1980 wrote:But sometimes it is hard to get honest advice on how to get better sound on budget. Most people respond to questions with "Well if you get more power... get more speaker... and a couple SVS's... etc."
I warned him a while back about getting the bigger ones..I did say get the smaller ones and save cash which then could be put towards either an amp or better sub. -
looks likes this thread has reached a conclusion of sorts....
IMO everyone here has been very helpful, as well as informative
first and foremost, i'm happy with the performance of the 70's and have decided that playing what-if games with the 60's serves absolutely no purpose (why not wonder over every conceivable make and model in the same price range?)
moreover, i'm starting to get the proverbial "bug" so to speak, so why not place myself in an easier position to upgrade in the future
after all, i did purchase these fully intending to use them for the next 7 years or so
it was always my belief that all other components (receiver, cd player, IC's, subwoofer, etc) would be the ones to change, when the time was right
thus, it is my belief (and seemingly the belief of others on this forum) that the 70's allow me more room to grow than the 60's
and please refrain from pointing out that in that case, i should have started with Lsi25's....I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
zombie boy 2000 wrote:looks likes this thread has reached a conclusion of sorts....
IMO everyone here has been very helpful, as well as informative
first and foremost, i'm happy with the performance of the 70's and have decided that playing what-if games with the 60's serves absolutely no purpose (why not wonder over every conceivable make and model in the same price range?)
moreover, i'm starting to get the proverbial "bug" so to speak, so why not place myself in an easier position to upgrade in the future
after all, i did purchase these fully intending to use them for the next 7 years or so
it was always my belief that all other components (receiver, cd player, IC's, subwoofer, etc) would be the ones to change, when the time was right
thus, it is my belief (and seemingly the belief of others on this forum) that the 70's allow me more room to grow than the 60's
and please refrain from pointing out that in that case, i should have started with Lsi25's....
I started to think about swapping mine out for the RTi series (at a few hundred more for all the speakers), but then i just decided to hang tight until my return period ran out on my Monitors, and now I can enjoy them in peace No matter what you have in the audio world, you'll always be looking at other stuff. KEF Q150 | Rythmik F12 | Yamaha Aventage RX-A780 -
Im not here to argue but I think it would be a mistake to stick with the 70's and pair it up with a PSW 10. That is the point and problem right? I personally think that the AVR 240 is not powerful enough to experience the full benefit of the 70's, they can handle a lot of wattage and the AVR 240 pushes hard but not hard enough. The minute I read your post explaining your gear the first thing i thought is a 240 with the 70's. It would be like me buying LSi's and pushing it with a entry level denon...good but not good enough, actaully wasting a lot of speaker. All your gear must be balanced in quality and power. Getting a sony center channel and pairing it up with all polk would sound crappy, mixing powerful speakers with not enough power creates expensive furniture. My point is if you hooked your speakers to a denon 3805 you would take a second mortage out on the house to get the rest of the gear to match. Its not my money but I think that pairing the 70's with a PSW 10 and a AVR 240 is wasteful. ATleast take back the AVR 240 and get the 335 or even better 635. HT is expensive but really expensive if you dont know what your doing. Things i would do.
1. get the AVR 635( theres even better choices) to actaully power your 70's
2. You need a bigger sub, your set up will sound much better.
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i hear you loud and clear p-town
thanks, it's good to see people looking out for strangers
what about the external amp angle?
any suggestions on what i could be looking for in the future?
seems to be the next necessary upgrade....I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
make sure your reciever has a pre out for an external amp. I dont think the AVR 240 does. Usually the higher end reciever do. If so, I would get the Onkyo ($200) from circuitcity at the "PRICEPOINT"...... yes there are better ones for more money.
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P-Town Polk wrote:make sure your reciever has a pre out for an external amp. I dont think the AVR 240 does. Usually the higher end reciever do. If so, I would get the Onkyo ($200) from circuitcity at the "PRICEPOINT"...... yes there are better ones for more money.
My 2 cent
AVR240 does well the 230 i just got in the mail today does, so i would expect the 240 to have one as well! KEF Q150 | Rythmik F12 | Yamaha Aventage RX-A780 -
got that right. alas...BjornB17 wrote:No matter what you have in the audio world, you'll always be looking at other stuff.
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thanks Bjourn, I should check my pioneer elite to see if it has one also yet at this time im not serious about adding an amp yet.
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thanks p-town, bjorn....
is the pre-out for an external amp the same thing as pre-outs for each channel (i.e. front lft pre-out, front rght pre-out, center pre-out, etc)? if so, the 240 has these, but i don't know if i should be looking for some sort of pre-out solely dedicated to an external amp....
and congratulations on your purchase bjorn, good to see you're keeping it in the HK family!!!I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
Zombie,
You found it. You simply connect the external amp to the Pre-out of choice, i.e., Front right, front left, center, etc.
A mono amp would connect to only one pre-out. A two channel amp would connect to two pre-outs, i.e., front left & front right. A five channel amp would connect to fronts, cent and surrounds.
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hola lou!!!
i was 99% sure, but that seems to only count for 25% tops in this hobby
i liked the $200 pricepoint given by p-town, as that sounds more than reasonable for my set-up... what should i expect from pairing something like that onkyo 2-channel amp with the HK 240 50 wpc (35 hc amp)? hazard a guess?I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
also been looking at the adcom 535 II (god help me)...
mates well with the HKs from what i've read
what do you guys think?I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
one thing that you might want to consider also is waiting to see how you feel about your current setup. it sounds like the 70's and the receiver were a recent purchance (correct me if i am wrong). while it is really easy to get the upgrade bug, i also think it is nice to get to "know" your system after each upgrade that you make. by doing this, it gives you alot more appreciation for the next upgrade because you have a better sense of how the sound is better. or at least that is the way i see it...
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i did buy the monitor 50s and after only 3 weeks, ran back to buy the 70s. hands down they are light years better. the mids are clear and powerful, and the bass is pretty nice. my wife is a musician, and did not like the 50s at all! they lack alot of mid power. the 70s also gave a beautiful surround sound in the room, they filled up the room beautifully without the need of back speakers (using HK avr250 prologic settings). all i had to do is increase the level of the front R and L speakers, and i am extremely happy with the 70s!
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gaithgaith wrote:i did buy the monitor 50s and after only 3 weeks, ran back to buy the 70s. hands down they are light years better. the mids are clear and powerful, and the bass is pretty nice. my wife is a musician, and did not like the 50s at all! they lack alot of mid power. the 70s also gave a beautiful surround sound in the room, they filled up the room beautifully without the need of back speakers (using HK avr250 prologic settings). all i had to do is increase the level of the front R and L speakers, and i am extremely happy with the 70s!
Good choice going with the 70s KEF Q150 | Rythmik F12 | Yamaha Aventage RX-A780 -
I have a decent receiver - Integra 70.1 but I wonder if it's powerful enough by itself to get GOOD sound of the 70-s.. I already got CS2 and 2 60-s ( at 219.98 a pair shipped I couldn't resist the deal ) , but I was thinking to use them as front wides and get 70-s as fronts. I know, for a 2 channel music playback 70-s should sound fine, as Integra pushes 140 w per channel then...but what about full blown 9.1 HT ?
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Wow! Talk about a blast from the past. Gotta say I've learned a lot since I started this thread about five years ago
That being said... in a home theatre set-up, I really don't think you're going to notice much of a difference between the 60's and 70's. I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
You may have learned something, whatever that is but your personality is still super awful.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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As is my body odor.I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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Well, I figured I'd just keep it professional but you bring up another valid subject. I would suggest taken your personal ads off Craigslist and really try and return to your center and find the real Zombieboy again. I'm very sad.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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Come on. You know I gots to pay da bills. The "real Zombieboy" was never good for business. What.. with the quasi-political ramblings, the insistence of eating curry out of a hat every meal, the strange "bedtime episodes", the keen fashion sense centering around the same tuxedo t-shirt, the constant need to prove the artistic merit of the Keytar in the general cultural pantheon, etc etc etc.
Who could love a monster like that?I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
Why haven't you joined the new forum man...I'm upset with you.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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You know I hate it when doves cry. Send me some info, amigo.I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
