monitor 60's vs 70's
zombie boy 2000
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another question for the polk elite....
my intitial problem with the monitor 70's (in that the mid range freqs seemed muddied) was quickly resolved when it was suggested that i set my speakers to small and my crossover to 80Hz... this indeed, opened up the mid-range and introduced a level of clarity that i have been absolutely pleased with,
but after researching the specs on both the 60's and the 70's, i couldn't help but notice that the monitor 6o's boast three 5-1/4" midwoofers, while the 70 possess two 6-1/2" midwoofers, along with two 6-1/2" subwoofers...
since i already own a subwoofer to handle the lower freq, wouldn't it stand to reason that the 60's would exhibit even more clarity in the midrange?
and moreover, am i even using the two 6-1/2" "subwoofers" in the 70's (at least to an extent that increases the performance of the speakers)
it is my understanding, that an increased overall frequency response produces a clearer, more dynamic soundscape, but when you set speakers to small, and establish a crossover to a separate sub, are you not effectively reducing the frequency response?
in short, if i'm going to have a sub (in this case, a psw10) and set the speakers to small (in both cases), wouldn't it make sense to go with the speakers that possesses one more mid-range driver? is the sub overkill with the 70's? prob so, but i can't help but wonder if the 60's could be set-up to sound better than the 70's, with my current hardware and configuration...
lastly, the sizes are obviously different between the two types of drivers, what kind of difference does this make?
appreciate all thoughts on the matter
my intitial problem with the monitor 70's (in that the mid range freqs seemed muddied) was quickly resolved when it was suggested that i set my speakers to small and my crossover to 80Hz... this indeed, opened up the mid-range and introduced a level of clarity that i have been absolutely pleased with,
but after researching the specs on both the 60's and the 70's, i couldn't help but notice that the monitor 6o's boast three 5-1/4" midwoofers, while the 70 possess two 6-1/2" midwoofers, along with two 6-1/2" subwoofers...
since i already own a subwoofer to handle the lower freq, wouldn't it stand to reason that the 60's would exhibit even more clarity in the midrange?
and moreover, am i even using the two 6-1/2" "subwoofers" in the 70's (at least to an extent that increases the performance of the speakers)
it is my understanding, that an increased overall frequency response produces a clearer, more dynamic soundscape, but when you set speakers to small, and establish a crossover to a separate sub, are you not effectively reducing the frequency response?
in short, if i'm going to have a sub (in this case, a psw10) and set the speakers to small (in both cases), wouldn't it make sense to go with the speakers that possesses one more mid-range driver? is the sub overkill with the 70's? prob so, but i can't help but wonder if the 60's could be set-up to sound better than the 70's, with my current hardware and configuration...
lastly, the sizes are obviously different between the two types of drivers, what kind of difference does this make?
appreciate all thoughts on the matter
I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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A sub is never overkill
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I don't think you're going to gain anything from the PSW10 with the 70's. Their response range on the low end is the same.
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agreed willow..
bpadget -- this bring me to my original query, are the 60's with a sub better than the 70's by themselves?I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
IMO Yes.
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bpadget wrote:I don't think you're going to gain anything from the PSW10 with the 70's. Their response range on the low end is the same.
Maybe true to a certain extent. Don't forget if using the towers alone, you are asking the receiver to push the lows which require lots of juice, not leaving lots to push the mids and highs. Therefore a powered sub even add. say 50wts or 100wts, will increase the power to the mains and highs by not having to push the lows. In the end you will benefit from a sub. -
willow- what you're asserting makes tremendous sense
so which speaker has a better mid-range response -- the one with 2 6-1/2" woofers or the one with 3 5-1/4" woofers?I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
In which case, you're wasting the range of the 70's and might as well have the 60's.
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If you look at the specifications for the Monitor 70, you'll see that all 4 drivers seem to be crossed over at 2.6 khz.
Here is what i tried. I set the Monitor 70s to small and crossover to 80z as you guys mentioned. When playing music, or anything for that matter, all 4 drivers are still vibrating similar to one another. Basically you have 4 drivers playing midrange it seems. I think it would be a bad idea to swap them out for the Monitor 60s, as it would be something I bet you will regret.
Anyway, none of the speakers in the monitor series really seem to play much bass anyway.KEF Q150 | Rythmik F12 | Yamaha Aventage RX-A780 -
hey bjorn... i've read alot of your threads, since you're one of the few that i can find possessing both the 70's and an hk reciever (i have an avr240)
i've also conducted the same "experiment", and it seems that there is a noticable difference betweent the output of the top two drivers and the bottom two -- the specs proposing that two are "woofers" and the other two are "subwoofers" would seem to back this up (when i say difference, i mean the bottom two barely seem to be producing anything when the speakers are set to small, esp when referenced to the top two -- there is a freq difference, in other words)
overall, the speaker performance is great, but i might of thought the same thing with two 50's and a sub, since i'm relatively new to all of this..
anyway, what does it mean for all four drivers to be crossed over at 2.6khz, and how does this compare to the 60's?I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
I can't answer that but what I can say is , can you afford the bigger ones? if so get them you won't want to upgrade in the future. Shoot Get the 70s and be done with it. As long as your receiver can power those big puppies. What receiver are you using ?
Notice you have the HK, if you go for the 70's you could benefit from an external amp, you're pushin' lots of drivers there. -
thanks for responding willow -- i've already got the 70's, i'm just wondering if the 60's with a sub beat out the 70's with or without a sub (esp in reference to the midrange freqs); i have an hk 240 for what it's worthI never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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No keep your 70's whenyou get the itch to upgrade you'll be there, buy an external amp and you'll be as happy as a fly on SH$t
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3 5 1/4" woofer/drivers or 2 6 1/2" woofer/drivers?
i guess this is the veritable nuts and bolts of it all.... i mean i've shelled out 800 clams to our friends at circuit city, and they were nice enough to throw in a promo sub...
i would've gotten the same sub for purchasing a pair of 60's (but they were out of stock, or don't carry)...
so if the sub is free, which is the better choice?
i'm pretty confused here
I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
If it were me and I didn't plan on buying an external amp then the 60s would be my choice. This saving me some money to buy a better sub.
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you're beginning to confirm my worst fears...
no external amp in the near future (saving for the center channel, then rears)
so with the speakers set to small, am i effectively using only half of the speakers?
i mean, am i the proud new owner of a glorified set of 50's -- if i'm to be configuring my speakers this way? and where does the size of the mid-range drivers of the 70's vs the 60's factor into all of this? should i possibly set the crossover lower than 80hz, or do the two subwoofer drivers utilize higher frequencies than the psw10 in some way?
i paid for em, i want to use 'em
thanks again for your responsesI never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
and on top of all this...
would anyone happen to know the frequency range of the bottom two "subwoofer" drivers in the 70's?I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
zombie boy 2000 wrote:and on top of all this...
would anyone happen to know the frequency range of the bottom two "subwoofer" drivers in the 70's?
i think its 40hz - 2.6 khz +/-3 db KEF Q150 | Rythmik F12 | Yamaha Aventage RX-A780 -
I am a owner of polk 60's,polk 40's,polk30's, Polk CS1 and a psw 10. I have it running on a pioneer elite reciever. I have tried the 70's and 60's and would have to go with the 60's. Price and size make these a better bet and the lows of the 70's get muddy. Heres what I have found out about Polk speakers in general.
If you are choosing speakers for HT mainly than polk is one of the best. I personally think that the 60's are less obtrusive than the 70's for HT. HT equipment usually sounds better in smaller packages, like the 60's. My point is if you were to choose JBL E100's and push HT sound it would not sound as crsip as the polk set up. I am a HT guy and music comes second for me. A lot of the season vets on this forum have big, powerful equipment and they usually hook preamps to two channels set ups and crank it up. I personally think that HT needs to be more stealth....?.....hence if you are a HT guy get the 60's, if you are a music guy you could get the 70's but there may be better choices. And when you enter the realm of Two channel audio you will see that power is more important than quality for music junkies. (just my opinon!)
My adivce would be, buy the 60's and use the money you are going to save and spend it all on monitor line ups. Try not to mix an match with these monitors with different brands. Lastly, the reciever you use is important also. With an HK 240 (nice) I would steer more towards music because it is warmer sounding. There is a lot of people who have very nice gear on this forum, it just depends if you are a HT guy or a Music head.
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bjorn- thanks for the stats, anymore info you want to send my way would be nice
p-town -- i bought this set-up with 80% music/20% HT in mind, so this is what initially steered me toward the 70's paired with the HK 240; my concern, is that with proper bass management, could the 60's with a sub produce a fuller, more dynamic soundscape than the 70's with a sub
i know i keep coming back to it, but what is the significance of the three 5-1/4" midrange drivers on the 60's vs the two 6-1/2" inch drivers on the 70's? i was unable to demo the 60's, so i'm becoming increasingly curious....
quite simply, if the lower frequencies are being handled by a sub with both speakers set to small (60's and 70's), what would be the key differences in both sets of speakers in the midrange?
i have my ideas, but the experience and knowledge of others (more than likely surpassing my own) would again be appreciatedI never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
If you must have towers then try the 50's. If you're using a subwoofer at 80hz with speakers set to small regardless of speaker you MIGHT only see a difference of a couple of db in volume. Save your $.
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but surely, the 70's would exhibit more of a quality midrange than the 50's? this muddies the waters even more (pardon the pun)... are the 70 useless? what's the point of having em, if 99% of the population has a sub (or is planning on getting one)?
any votes for the 70's for any reason? am i still looking at two useless 6 1/2" "subwoofer" drivers -- effectively sacrificing the quality of the midrange response to push nothing but garbage out the lower end? does anyone have some kind words for the 70's? or do i just have sucker stamped on my forehead, as i intended these to be a long-term investment...
has indiana chosen wisely or poorly?I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
The dog? You are named after the dog?!?
(do an a/b comparo between the 50's and the 70's, set to 80hz small, with a sub playing) -
would i be doing this comparison to prove the superiority of the 70's?
as stated previously, i have my theories... though i haven't been able to do a side by side comparison between any of these models
it is my belief that that even when set to small, the the two "sub" drivers in the 70's act as a sort of buffer between the midrange drivers and the psw10, thus freeing up the former to produce dedicated midrange freqs, without having to blend in to the lfe..
this is something i imagine the 60's are unable to do, and therefore must be asked upon to produce some of the lower freqs, so as not to produce a "hole" in this range--i can't help but believe that this hinders the midrange drivers in the 60's to an extent, whereas the midranges in the 70's exist solely to produce those freqs
plus they're bigger, and louder -- and the more i listen to them, the more i love 'em
so do these ideas hold any water, or have i overthought the whole shebang?
i think "blending" would be the key word here...I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
Been playing around with my 70's and PSW12, I always seem to go back to this. On my Denon rig I set the Sub to LFE+Main (80 Xover), that way my sub plays regardless if I have my 70's set to small or Large. I have tried both and to be honest setting my 70's to large (Xover 40) makes that Lower Midrage a lot richer (for lack of a better word). I even set my center to large as well, call me crazy but I listen to an even 50/50 mix of music and movies.
In this configuration I can backoff on the sub volume a bit to prevent any clipping, and I feel like I am getting a little better (lower end mid) support and money out of my 70's, setting them to small still sounds great don't get me wrong. But just not as rich as a large setting does...
So much comes into play on personal taste though, certainly everyone's taste is a little different...Rockin' In My House
Pioneer 50 inch Plasma TV
Denon AVR-3806
Denon DVD-1930ci
Polk Montor 70's
Polk PSW-12
Polk CS2
Polk Monitor 40's
Sirius Satellite Radio, Monster 3500MKII -
nice to hear from you ficman -- to be honest with you, i haven't really experimented much with the crossover setting (leaving it at the ever dogmatic 80Hz); it would stand to reason that the 70's might benefit from a lower crossover than the usual HT suspects (i.e. the rest of the monitor line); better blending, should flesh out the lower midrange, as well. My HK has a lft/right + sub on large setting, so i'll give it a go.
that being said, i'm just curious why the 60's have garnered so much more support..
could it be their price point? or maybe the movies vs music angle.... again, my investment here was mostly for music, and the 70's seemed the clear choice initially...
but after banging a few things around in the noggin' (sans a side by side demo, mind ya), i keep coming back to those 3 midrange drivers in the 60's and 2 in the 70's...
as i hypothesized prevously, the performance of the 60's drivers might be hampered by the lack of lower range drivers to "cushion" the transition to the sub; this is a problem the 70's wouldn't seem to possess with the two "subwoofer" drivers;
but then again, i'm just a good ol' kentucky boy new to all of these newfangled whatchmacalits and doohickys with all those purty lights and fancy buttons.... :rolleyes:
any more takes?I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
I think you are right on the price point on the 60's, when I went in to buy speakers that's what I had my eye's set on... A few good listens to the 70's and they were in my car...lol
Play around a little the the Xover, if I recall when my Denon set's up the small or large setting the Xover's come in at 60 and 40 for my 70's. I am convinced that I will never see a huge amount of bass out of my 70's, but with the Xover set at 40 they really do sound pretty darn good.
If I had to boil it down, I think the 70's provide me with a more even field across the board. Sound great with Music, TV and Movies... I listened to the 60's in 3 or 4 different stores multipal times, I thought the music end was a little weaker in those.
It's a tough call for sure, I don't think you can go wrong either way...Rockin' In My House
Pioneer 50 inch Plasma TV
Denon AVR-3806
Denon DVD-1930ci
Polk Montor 70's
Polk PSW-12
Polk CS2
Polk Monitor 40's
Sirius Satellite Radio, Monster 3500MKII -
is there a crossover when the speakers are set to large?I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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Yes the Crossover is defaulted to 40, I can increase but not decrease it from there. When set to small Xover is defaulted to 60 (I believe been awhile) with the same options, noway to go down but it will adjust up...Rockin' In My House
Pioneer 50 inch Plasma TV
Denon AVR-3806
Denon DVD-1930ci
Polk Montor 70's
Polk PSW-12
Polk CS2
Polk Monitor 40's
Sirius Satellite Radio, Monster 3500MKII -
alright!!! we've got someone to champion the 70's (thanks ficman)
any more testimonials from owners of either model?
i'm beginning to think that i made the right purchase (though i now have a clearer picture of the pros and cons of both models);
either way, anyone wish to explain the differences performance-wise due to driver size (and number) between the 60's and 70's?I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
stick with the 70s. they are great KEF Q150 | Rythmik F12 | Yamaha Aventage RX-A780
