Sub comparison question.

tatony

I have a chance to purchase a velodyne dls 3750r for $400. Can anyone tell me anything about this sub or give me some info on other subs that are just as good or better for this price range.
Thanks have to make decision tommorow..

halo

This is an alternative SVS Good Luck!

wingnut4772

THIS one is a bit more but is excellent.
Have fun!

StopherJJ1980

this post may be a bit late but here's my 2 cents. I recently had the dls-5000r, and if the 10" is of the same quality then it is a very good sub. I liked the DSP and thats the first time I have ever liked anything with DSP. But IMHO the 10" SVS would be a better option with more power and can hit 20Hz. Even if you do get the velo Im sure you can find a better price than 400 if you look around, it seems to me that the DPS-10 is the same sub.

halo

wingnut4772 wrote:

THIS one is a bit more but is excellent.
Have fun!

There is an SVS for a little less than the one wingnut suggested but for just a little more $ this SVS is almost a no-brainer. Any of the previously mentioned subs would be great choices. Again, Good luck!

wingnut4772

I LOVED my old SVS PC+ BUT....I did find the Outlaw LFM -1 better for music. The PC+ had more movie oomph though. Now with the Ultra I am in Sub heaven

halo

wingnut4772 wrote:

I LOVED my old SVS PC+ BUT....I did find the Outlaw LFM -1 better for music. The PC+ had more movie oomph though. Now with the Ultra I am in Sub heaven

Heaven must be shakin all the time!

Early B.

wingnut4772 wrote:

I LOVED my old SVS PC+ BUT....I did find the Outlaw LFM -1 better for music. The PC+ had more movie oomph though.

Not surprising, given that Dr. Hsu helped design the LFM-1. I have found that Hsu subs are quite musical.

wingnut4772

Heaven must be shakin all the time!

Pretty much! But the bass is so deep and tight that the Ultra is more of a quality feel than just the 'Oh look... my whole house is vibrating'....although I guess that is not necessarily a bad thing.

tatony

So I let the velodyne slip through my fingers...someone else grabbed it before me..oh well..For those of you that think that $400 is'nt a good price for this sub, you probably dont know i'm in Canada..that sub MSRP's for $700 here in Canada and $429 in the U.S dont know why the huge difference.
Any way I've decided to try and find the SVS sub so I can audition it, But I cant find a Canadian retailer that carries the line.
If anyone can help me, the info would be great. SVS does not have a retailer finder on thier website that sucks.

Ron Temple

SVS is internet direct only, no Canadian dealers. You can get a quote. I do think that Hsu has a Canadian presence. While personally I think SVS is slightly better, it's very close.

The Velo DLS3750R(remote) and DPS10(no remote) are basically the same sub, same driver, amp, DSP controls, specs in a different box. They are both very good subs. They play very clean in the Jazz/Classical mode and very punchy and loud in the Movie mode (+5db @ 35hz). I've heard both the PB10 and DPS10. The SVS is cleaner and slightly louder below 30hz, but the Velo hangs very well from there. The Velo does hit 98db @ 20hz, but it's loose and distored (audibly) below 25hz.

Hope this helps...

halo

Outlaw is also available on-line only. SVS & Outlaw Audio offer great stuff at low prices because they cut out the middle(sales)man.

I just ordered an SVS PCi 20-39 today. I was debating between the Outlaw LFM-1 & the 20-39 for almost a week. The reason I chose the SVS was because I'm going to use it for HT and not for 2 channel. I want to FEEL the bass

wingnut4772

I want to FEEL the bass

Just hang on to something that's bolted down!

StopherJJ1980

Ron Temple wrote:

SVS is internet direct only, no Canadian dealers. You can get a quote. I do think that Hsu has a Canadian presence. While personally I think SVS is slightly better, it's very close.

The Velo DLS3750R(remote) and DPS10(no remote) are basically the same sub, same driver, amp, DSP controls, specs in a different box. They are both very good subs. They play very clean in the Jazz/Classical mode and very punchy and loud in the Movie mode (+5db @ 35hz). I've heard both the PB10 and DPS10. The SVS is cleaner and slightly louder below 30hz, but the Velo hangs very well from there. The Velo does hit 98db @ 20hz, but it's loose and distored (audibly) below 25hz.

Hope this helps...

I have wanted to compare these two for quite a while. Do you think that the DSP of the velodyne is a valuable tool? I kinda liked it. It seems kinda funny to look for a sub with a flat response then play with the EQ but in some cases it was nice. How would you say the SVS does with music compared to the velodyne? any input would be helpful, thanks.

Ron Temple

StopherJJ1980 wrote:

I have wanted to compare these two for quite a while. Do you think that the DSP of the velodyne is a valuable tool? I kinda liked it. It seems kinda funny to look for a sub with a flat response then play with the EQ but in some cases it was nice. How would you say the SVS does with music compared to the velodyne? any input would be helpful, thanks.

I had the DPS10 several months ago, so this is from memory. Overall, just for more enveloping bass for HT, the PB10 is the better sub. Being clean way down low is very hard to beat. For music, it's very close. The Velo is tuned to 32hz. It's punchier above it's tuning point than the PB10. I've heard people complain that it can be boomy, not in Jazz/Classical mode, which is Velos default. The other 3 modes are boosted at varying frequencies for preset applications. Yeah they are useful. I changed back and forth from Movies to Rock to Jazz Classical with a button push and never had to mess with the volume, crossover or phase. The only drawback is the volume control. A blinking light just doesn't tell you how hot you are running the amp. I spoke to Bruce Hall about it. It's a design choice asked for by retailers demoing the sub. It makes sense in that light.

The PB10 doesn't color or add punch to any source. If it's there you get it accurately, it can be transparent or awe inspiring.

Overall, they are both great subs. For me nothing beats extention and accuracy. The PB10 over the DPS 10.

halo

I didn't look into these much HSU - but if I'm not happy with the SVS :eek: I'll bet this will be it's replacement.

Ron Temple

I think you'll like the 20-39 better or at least so well that you'll only be wondering about the plus or ultra

fab5valentine

I just bought a LFM-1 last week and it goes deep and clean and clear and loud. I get that low rumble for sure lots of it too, when it called upon. What I seem to be missing is the punch. It's hard to describe in words, but I've just replaced a PSW350 (10") and liked the sound a lot, just needed to go lower and louder to fill up a new bigger room. I'm sure it may be operator error, maybe I should roll off at 100hrtz with my 28's rather than 80hrtz. I'm in the audition phase so I wanted to stay in the loop of everyones thoughts here on this thread. Music however has made me tear-up (okay cry) a bit due to it's clarity.. I do mostly HT so I'm looking for that POP as well as rumble.. Any suggestions I'll be playing with it a lot tomorrow.. I'm not at all putting this sub down, I'm sure I may find what I'm looking for in setting it up properley, but was excited to see the thread on this topic and top subs in this range..

fab5

adam2434

fab5, did you also play the 350 in the larger room? If so, is the LFM-1 in the same location?

Adam

StopherJJ1980

Ron Temple, thanks for the info. It was very helpful

fab5valentine

Yes, in the front corner (L) and it sounded good, but knew this was a temp set-up until I got the LFM-1, and for testing I placed it there too, LFM also sounded good.. I now have it in the rear corner (L), about 4-5' away from me, I'm trying it there as the front set-up is in front of my built-in and it's a big sub.. I leveled everything today with an SPL and test tones and had the LFM set much too high by ear.. I'm playing with 100 hrtz too, and seeing the blend difference. The sub definately rocks and booms and even takes on a quiet type presense not drawing attention to itself while still shaking the couch, but I don't hear that "whack" I did with the 350.. Maybe I don't know what quality sounds like, or maybe I'm just used to the sound of a 10" sub.. I'm even considering trying to run the 350 at the same time, 2 subs should add some gain to the 350, but I'd rather not as I'd rather sell the 350 or use it another system..

halo

I noticed that the sound you are referring to was lessened when I demo'd an SVS but the feeling was completely different compared to my little Yamaha sub.

Ron Temple

Most of the punch/whack/chest thump is centered somewhere between 40-60hz. If a sub is tuned higher with a decent driver, you may feel it more. I had experienced this with a couple of subs that I liked, then I heard a SVS PB10. It blew the other subs out of the water for overall bass quality and quantity, but didn't thump with music. It was the lower tuning point in a large room. But listening to the detail and transparency with the source being accoustic bass, individual string plucks, etc., as well as, gobs of room pressurization and clean output.

The LFM 1 may not ever give you the chest thump of a higher tuned sub, but you will get superior music performance (it's sealed isn't it?) and great definition for HT.

BTW the 20-39+ in my 2000^3 room gives me both even though tuned lower. It's the amp and driver.

fab5valentine

I think you might me right-on.. The LFM-1 has a beautiful tonal capability and very strong with the type of music you explained. And there is a huge amount of defintion in HT as well, effortless rumble and air movement for sure at lower freq.s.. I'm going to play with this for a little while, as a lot of reviews pointed me right to it.. and I want it to work for me, because it does rock and it's gorgeous too.. I'm looking very carefully at the SVS at this point as well, the 25-31PCi claims to be the perfect match to most DVD's, tell me how the 20-39+ get's you both worlds, what are you giving up (if anything), and what are you gaining? It was sort of odd to see the Mamoth step on the squirell in "Ice Age" with-out the loud thunk there too.. Lots of hevy rumble, breath shocked out of me, and pants moved with the sound wave going thru the couch, but did't hear much.. Ya know??? Hard to put into words..

-fab5

Ron Temple

fab5valentine wrote:

I think you might me right-on.. The LFM-1 has a beautiful tonal capability and very strong with the type of music you explained. And there is a huge amount of defintion in HT as well, effortless rumble and air movement for sure at lower freq.s.. I'm going to play with this for a little while, as a lot of reviews pointed me right to it.. and I want it to work for me, because it does rock and it's gorgeous too.. I'm looking very carefully at the SVS at this point as well, the 25-31PCi claims to be the perfect match to most DVD's, tell me how the 20-39+ get's you both worlds, what are you giving up (if anything), and what are you gaining? It was sort of odd to see the Mamoth step on the squirell in "Ice Age" with-out the loud thunk there too.. Lots of hevy rumble, breath shocked out of me, and pants moved with the sound wave going thru the couch, but did't hear much.. Ya know??? Hard to put into words..

-fab5

Per SVS the 25-31 gives you the most slam, the least extention (still goes down to 20hz), the 20-39 gives you slam and ext., 16-46 ext., sacrificing slam. The Plus give you a better driver (definition/slam), headroom (550w) and variable tuning 25hz, 20hz, 16hz(25-31 and 20-39) and 12hz(20-39 and 16-46). So the Plus let's you set it where you want it. I've had mine just over a week. It hits with defined punch, pressurizes the room and is flat to 18hz in the 20hz tune. If I want to take it to the 16hz tune, I'll lose some slam and output (1.5db) but it will give me extention to 14hz.

I can't tell you if it's as tight musically as the LFM 1, I haven't heard anything but great things about it. I will say that SVS subs only reflect what's on the source. The only way it will boom is if you have the trim or gain too high.

I'm not trying to sell you on this...Just what I've noticed.

fab5valentine

Great things is what I heard too.. and that's why I bought it. I've had it about a week as well.. And there are things that I really appreciate about it and would be affraid of losing if I were to return it.. I will watch a few DVD's this weekend, and see where I'm at.. At that point I may call both Outlaw and SVS and have a chat and see how I can get dialed in at what I am looking for, I have a big room that's open to an even bigger room and maybe that's part of the problem as well.. THANK YOU for the input!

-fab5

halo

fab5 - Have you considered using the Avia DVD? SVS sells it with a Radio Shack sound level meter for a reason, right?

When I used it I found that I was running my sub way too hot :eek: amongst other things

fab5valentine

Look forward to a copy that will arrive in my box on monday.. I'm sure I'll find some issues there too. As it was with just test tones and the meter the sub was up 8db too high.. SO I won't be suprised if there is still a bit of adjustment left with the disk.. Thanks. I'll make the calls as earlier discussed to find out what other things may help too. Maybe it's the trasition from the RTi28's and there is hole in the freqs.. Just watched the RoTJedi and man I could feel the exposion is the couch as the sub breathes nicely and the since of the explosion with the air moving but no big "whack" which make it feel a bit odd. Perhaps if I has bigger fronts to make this up. Maybe it's not set up quite right, and maybe it's the tuning as suggested..?

-fab5

Ron Temple

Yah...you might have a big ol'hole somewhere between 40 and 60. Good luck.

fab5valentine

Ron

Are you still liking your 20-39+, I'm becoming more interested in checking that out everyday.. I got the LFM performing better for me but still auditioning it at this point. There has been some definate grins with this new set up.. -Have a newbie question: what exactly is "extention"? I think I know.. The travel of the driver thus differential pressure in the room, but I'd like to know for sure. Also in the 20-30+ what do you need to have it tuned for in order to get the slam as well as extention..

Thanks to everyone actively participating in this forum!!

halo

Extention - how low the sub goes measured in Hz. Correct me if I'm wrong guys.

BTW - I'm loving my new 20-39 PCi!!!