Rti better than Lsi FOR ROCK MUSIC

Tequila

I was listening both lines properly amplified in a Rotel and although in most of the aspects the Lsi25 was better than the Rti12, there was one in the one that I don't overcome it: In the movies with strong sounds and in the music ROCK. If, it is this way, I was surprised then I thought that the LSI25 would win in everything but it was not this way. As for music Rock like Rush, Pink Floyd, Queen, Led Zepellin, Deep Purple or King Crimson, the Rti12 was notably better. Both works with a PSW 505.

I know that several they won't agree but it is important to say this for not thinking that the Lsi is superior in everything.
Besides that (lsi) are more expensive to manage in a conventional amplifier.

This hard test almost 3 hours and the salesman of the store hates me.

Greetings.,

Sami

I can't overcome the horrible tweater in RTi-series for anything. Well, maybe for movies it is ok but LSi's do that better too. Maybe you should try both with a decent subwoofer.

Tequila

Hey Sami, I am not saying than Lsi sounds bad, no man, in the Rock music is the only kind of music than Rti is better, take it easy. The sub PSW 505 is a right and decent cub in my point of view.

Tell me, Why is "horrible" the twether?

Good night.

McLoki

Many would say that if you have decent amplification, the LSi15 is MUCH better than the LSi25 for music.

BTW - I would say good amplification is as important with the RTi12 as the LSi line. The 12's are the hardest to drive correctly of the RTi line....

Michael

Sami

Tequila wrote:

Hey Sami, I am not saying than Lsi sounds bad, no man, in the Rock music is the only kind of music than Rti is better, take it easy.

I'm taking it easy and I can see why some would think the RTi is better for some type of music but for me they just don't do it.

Tequila wrote:

The sub PSW 505 is a right and decent cub in my point of view.

Time to broaden the horizon...

Tequila wrote:

Tell me, Why is "horrible" the twether?

I might be spoiled by the LSi's but it just is very harsh and unclean sounding to me. Close your eyes and listen to the music, try to "look" for the unwanted sound in there on the highs. For me the LSi's were the first speakers to be "clean" without the background noise on the highs that I had always hated. RTi's have plenty of it. To me they do for casual listening, parties and such but for enjoying the music by yourself in quiet, no thank you.

mantis

The Lsi is in all cases a better sounding speaker. Rock classical reggae it doesn't matter what kind of music. the Lsi is a much more musical sounding speaker. For home theater as well.

I'm not a fan of the Rti tweeter or line for that matter

Dan

cmy330go

Having spent a lot of time listening to both I have to say that overall the LSi line is MUCH more detailed. I will admit that I have had many customers pick RTi speakers over LSi when listening to rock or heavier music. I personally think this is due to the fact that an RTi series speaker sounds a little more like what people are used to hearing in rock music, especially at concerts or other live performances.

I too when listening to the current RTi line at first thought that they sounded better with rock than do the LSi line. But after extended listening I realized that I could hear things (details) with the LSi's that I could not with the RTi's. Hence the reason I ended up choosing the LSi system.

Just My View

unbridled_id

I had a pair of rti-10's and just received a pair of lsi-9's to replace the 10's. I will say this much in the brief time I have had them: the lsi's have a much smoother and more detailed top end.

aaharvel

Yup. If I had the funds I would love to have some lsi7's. But then i'd have to replace my center speaker as well- and then the perfectionist in me would have to replace all 4 of my f/x speakers... WHERE DOES IT END?!?!? =(

McLoki

aaharvel wrote:

and then the perfectionist in me would have to replace all 4 of my f/x speakers... WHERE DOES IT END?!?!? =(

The LSiFX speakers are huge. I would have to have a dedicated home theater to mount them in. There is no way the WAF would be high enough to mount those in a standard living room.... (hence the 4 LSi7's I am currently running)

Michael

Sami

aaharvel wrote:

Yup. If I had the funds I would love to have some lsi7's. But then i'd have to replace my center speaker as well- and then the perfectionist in me would have to replace all 4 of my f/x speakers... WHERE DOES IT END?!?!? =(

3 pairs of LSi7's, $650. One extra sold. All LSi 5.0 surround sound for ~$550. That's pretty hard to beat in terms of value.

Tequila

Ok, ok...

All the people think another thing..

Tomorrow I will go to the store to listen both another time....

By the time, the lsi25 without the woofers or in off is the same or near to Lsi9?


Thanks

francour

i might be alone in this, but i was blown away by the rti 12's. for flat out power and still having the near perfect clarity of polk, i can forgive any weaknesses compared to the lsi series. i don't deny the lsi's are in some ways superior, but the rti12's are still among the best mid priced speakers on the market, and i am extraordinarily proud to show them off to friends.

gregure

The Rti are not terrible speakers, but there is a reason the Lsi line is more expensive. Better parts, better build, better sound. Not to say all speakers that are more expensive are better, obviously not always the case. However, the Rti soft dome vs. the ring radiator is a big difference.
I've unfortunately not had an opportunity to put some Lsi speakers in my house w/ my B&K (a great combo I'm sure), but I've heard the Lsi in a store, and I really liked the sound. Very open, very musical, in comparison to the Rti. I'm surprised you find lighter rock like Pink Floyd better on Rti, Tequila. I think Pink Floyd demands a higher end tweeter to sound right. A good silk dome or ring radiator is perfect for lighter rock, and even heavy rock, as it helps to tone down the bright top end.
I'd love a pair of LSi speakers, however I'm saving up for my personal favorite speakers-Vienna Acoustics Beethoven Baby Grands. To me, those are the best I've heard. I like Sonus Faber too, but Viennas just have the sound I'm looking for. Musical, open, detailed, the warmth of good wood resonance, but strong, forward and beefy too. Good combos for my type of music: classic rock and large orchestral. Lsi accomplish that as well, just to an obviously lesser degree than Vienna.

Tequila

Hello friends. I made the test again among the Lsi 25 and the Rti12, they were almost three hours of listening music in the store, with several amplifiers: The avr635 of HK, the Sr8500 of Marantz, another of the same price of Yamaha and another of the mark NAD whose model doesn't remember AND: In all the occasions for my pleasure the winners were the Rti12 and with a great advantage. Even, the salesperson obtained a since surprise the one I swear that Ls always lines her serious better. It IS NOT THIS WAY, at least for my.

Another hour I stay to make the test between the Rti8 and the Lsi9, again they won for good advantage the RT on the LS. Why the people likes LS so much does it line? I don't understand.

I reaffirm my appreciation, RT lines her it is superior to the LS, at least for my hearings.

To those that they don't like, neither way.

I have the money to pay for the Lsi BUT is the RTi really better for me. Power, bass, high...great sound.

bye.

Sami

LOL, if that's what you like then that's what you need to get. Take your time though and audit both with proper amplification. While you're at it listen to the best sounding (IMO) RTi-tower, the 8. 12's don't have enough bass for HT so you'll need to add a subwoofer anyway. 8's should go for around $300 a pair while the 12's around $600 a pair.

TroyD

Tequila wrote:

Hello friends. I made the test again among the Lsi 25 and the Rti12, they were almost three hours of listening music in the store, with several amplifiers: The avr635 of HK, the Sr8500 of Marantz, another of the same price of Yamaha and another of the mark NAD whose model doesn't remember AND: In all the occasions for my pleasure the winners were the Rti12 and with a great advantage. Even, the salesperson obtained a since surprise the one I swear that Ls always lines her serious better. It IS NOT THIS WAY, at least for my.

Another hour I stay to make the test between the Rti8 and the Lsi9, again they won for good advantage the RT on the LS. Why the people likes LS so much does it line? I don't understand.

I reaffirm my appreciation, RT lines her it is superior to the LS, at least for my hearings.

To those that they don't like, neither way.

I have the money to pay for the Lsi BUT is the RTi really better for me. Power, bass, high...great sound.

bye.

The amplification used in your demo may have had something to do with it.

BDT

reeltrouble1

Cool. Have fun. Enjoy.

Bye

RT1

scottnbnj

i've only heard rti's in showrooms, but my money's on room acoustics.

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wingnut4772

I have Lsi15s now but I use to have RTI100s. I prefer the Lsis for everything but I can see where some would like the Rti series for rock. For one thing the impedence is 8 ohms so if you do not have proper amplification (which from reading a lot of people don't for the LSis) the Lsis will not do justice to LOUD music...but with the proper juice the LSIs rule!

Tequila

Till you hear the Rti line (12,8,6,10 or 4) not the RtI100s beacuse is a great difference.

knownalien_

rock sounds great on the LSI15's. There shouldn't be anything below 22 hz in rock. There is in classical, however. I have been playing Rush on the LSi15's all day. They sould fantastic. They'd sound even better if I had better amplication.

audiobliss

Just get something from Klipsch and be done with it.

:D

sickicw

I am under the impression that the lsi is better than the rti in every aspect assuming you are providing proper power. If you demo out both lines with a good amp such as a krell that is able to pump out x watts into 8 ohms 2x watts into 4 ohms, and 4x watts into 2 ohms, then i think you will notice the lsi is better than the rti. Otherwise you really aren't comparing the speakers properly. I dont think your Rotel can cut it when the lsi dips into low impedances.

cfrizz

You listened to the speakers through receivers. The RTI's will always sound better being driven with receivers then the LSI line. To hear the true sound of the LSI line you should have had a separate 2 channel amp attached to one of the receivers.

LSI's are harder to drive and require more power than a receiver can give them.

If the store has separate amplifiers, have them hook one up to the receivers, or maybe borrow a friends amp to take with you to hook up. Then you will hear the difference.

Tequila

I did hear the difference.

If the Lsi needs more power than avr635 HK, then the Lsi are a expensive ****....

The better **** are not cheap and not expensive: The Rti. haha

audiobliss

Yeah, the LSi series is really expensive. They cost more upfront, and they require a lot more, higher current, better quality amplification. Expensive speakers to own.

But I feel confident that if you put some really nice amplification behind the RTi and LSi and then compared then, the LSi would be the better sounding of the two.

Sami

Tequila wrote:

If the Lsi needs more power than avr635 HK, then the Lsi are a expensive ****....

The 635 is a lightweight. Now go get the RTi's and stop trolling. If you're happy with them more power to you (no pun intended).

cfrizz

Thank you Sami! And by the way, they are SPEAKERS not ****. Neither are women.

Cathy

audiobliss

cfrizz wrote:

Thank you Sami! And by the way, they are SPEAKERS not ****. Niether are women.

Cathy

You go, girl!!

LuSh

Tequila, if you think the RTI's are a better speaker then go out and buy them. I don't think they are, and having sold RTI lines for years, I know they aren't.

In order to fully understand the LSi speakers you must use a TOP NOTCH source...ie...not a DVD player but a CD player around $1k. And use an amplifer that is not only powerfull but has a great pre/amp section in front of it. One of the best setups Polk Audio ever used was an Ayre Intergrated amp...that amp is only rated at 50watts. Ayre's preamps both separate and in their intergrateds are far far superior then anything found in a cheap Home Theater receiver.

I can reassure you that the LSi's offer greater value in a system then the RTi's because the level of performance from the LSi speakers can be mated with much much higher end electronics. I started with a NAD cdp and intergrated and currently use a SimAudio intergrated and Museatex Meitner DAC/Transport. Both are much much more expensive then the LSi9 speakers I use. And I heard an improvement everytime I moved up the chain with my electronics. The mileage one would receive from the RTi's would end very quickly after an upgrade or two to the electronics.