mtx high end components

Meeks32

I've never understood why people buy a product because its louder than another. Dont get me wrong, I love loud rock but my focal components & single Eclipse sub get louder than I could ever stand & they arent refered to as a "SPL king" or anything. So saying that the MTX goes louder while others are kicking the bucket really doesnt do anything for me. I just want a great sounding speaker and im sure when the "SPL guys" grow up & get tired of pounding their brains out thats what they will want also. Loud is the easy part, anyone can make a speaker thats loud, making it sound good is a different story.

exalted512

i would like to know exactly how these tests are run...
-Cody

Jstas

Wow, you know, stereotyping is the most common form of bigotry? Just because somebody is looking for loud does mean they need to "grow up". Just because YOUR stereo gets louder than you can stand doesn't mean that everyone else should be satisfied with that level of performance either. There are many reasons for a speaker capable of playing at very loud volumes and it really isn't your place to dictate what is worth it or not nor is it your place to judge anyone because it doesn't meet your ideal.

I'm sure that if I cared enough to know more about your interests, we could all find something that displeases us and then cut you down for it. Most people here won't unless you are being a jerk about it. If there is a market for MTX to be making loud speakers then that means that someone, somewhere is buying them. Does that mean that it is all kids? No. It just means that there are people who like loud.

MTX doesn't really build crap either. Whether they are on the level of Focal and other higher end stuff, I am not sure. I do know that they build stuff worth owning if it suits your tastes. The other benefit to a set of capabilities that are beyond what you might use is that you will never over-tax your gear and because of that, it lasts much, much longer than stuff that your tastes would push to the tattered edge.

Honestly, just because you can't understand something doesn't mean it's not worth the time. It also doesn't mean that others who see value in something that you perceive as being worthless are immature or below you in some sense. Lose the narrow-minded view and the attitude 'cause you're in the wrong place to be speaking so loosely about unjustified prejudices.

Jstas

Originally posted by exalted512
i would like to know exactly how these tests are run...
-Cody

Dude, you have never seen the videos on the MTX website? They have even done it at trade shows. They basically strap an MTX product and a competitor product of some source and subject them to either a marathon test or a battery of tests where the same power, signal source and test material are used for each instance. They then test until destruction and document what happens with test results, teardowns and video. Last set of tests I saw, MTX was putting some subs head to head with competitors and pushing a sine wave at a certain frequency through high-current Crown amps. They would test a series of tones and then let the speakers run at a high volume playing the same tone until one bought the farm. They have been doing it for years. As long as I can remember. The first time I saw it, I was at Palace Electronics in the Echelon Mall in Voorhees, NJ. They rigged up an MTX sub and an Earthquake sub and played them until destruction. The MTX went for several hours after teh Earthquake sub failed in a hail of sparks.

Meeks32

Wow you're touchy, calm down bub, just stating my opinion like every one else.

VR3

Originally posted by Meeks32
Speakers will always be a personal preference, for them to say they "smoked" the competition is stupid. Also im sure there is a reason why Wilson Audio uses focal drivers in their $70,000 speakers.

Wilson Audio uses Focal in the X1 and down - and they modify them alot further once they arrive at the factory...

The Wilson X2 uses Scan Speak.

The difference between MBQ, JL Audio and Focal is one thing.

Focal has a reputation beyond Car Audio. And they make excellent products well into the 80,000 dollar mark. JL Audio and MB Quart do NOT do this.

MacLeod

Originally posted by audiobliss
MBQ. Ever since I first read those three little letters about 6 hours ago today, I've been racking my brain trying to figure out what the 'MB' stands for! I just can't remember!!!! Man...my brain's fried.....

Microphone Builder Quarternote.

Makes no sense to me but maybe in German it does.

Jstas is 100% right. MTX has been doing tests like these for years, and for everybody that thinks theyre trying to pull a fast one, like John said, they do them at car shows, car audio competitions and conventions. If they were pulling a scam I guarantee ya, somebody wouldve caught on by now.

For instance, here is one Cody will like. Head to head spec comparison of a W7 and T9500.

Here is one comparing Thunder amps to Punch amps.

And here is a video of the T9500 outliving other subs in a torture test.

Im telling ya Sid, 10 years from now start lurking around some forums and youll see people trashing Focal for no other reason than its Focal. Just like now, the JL/MB haters are a small group but theyre out there. I know Focals reputation of being the top .01% but MB Quart was exactly that back around 1990. They were widely regarded as the best you could get.

exalted512

Originally posted by MacLeod

For instance, here is one Cody will like. Head to head spec comparison of a W7 and T9500.

this is a PERFECT example of how to take this with a grain of salt. While MTXs website says JLs 10w7 has .90" of x-max, this Dumax report shows it as 1.05"

26.75 mm=2.675cm/2.54cm(per inch)=1.05"
http://www.adireaudio.com/Files/DUMAX/JL-10W7.pdf

id also like to add that rubber is not better than foam with the new technology that has made it just as versatile as foam. most true sound quality subs have foam surrounds because (ive been told at least) it has better characteristics when a sub is trying to achieve sound quality.

also its convenient that they use the 10" sub instead of the 13w7, as it is a smaller sub and handles the same amount of power as mtx's 15"


my brahma also has more than 100% the power handling and its cheaper, so i guess, in the words of mtx, my brahma "is a better value. You do the math!"

if i didnt have a test in 9 hours id go on, but i need to study and to sleep...
-Cody

cam5860

you know you got to hate jl audio fans. they think that nothing is ever as good as jl. they always have a excuse. someone always has the wrong figures or something. look mtx got it from the jl audio site hell were they supposed to look for the specs. anyway you look at it mtx's 9500 is spanking that **** at half the cost of a jl audio w7 sub.

VR3

Who in the hell cares?

I mean I dont like JL at all.... but the JL bashing is getting SO old. Seriously, its almost as old as Bose - ALMOST.

If you dont like a brand... GOOD FOR YOU. If someone asks you about THAT brand, tell them your opinion. But no one gives a crap honestly.

We all know alot of people hate JL....

Now what?

audiobliss

Originally posted by neomagus00
bliss - other than 'MB QUART Electronics USA, Inc. is an affiliate of MB QUART Akustik GmbH' and 'The Company was founded in 1975 under the name MB Peerless', i have no idea what MB means...

Oh, man; that's good. 'Cause I still hadn't remembered! lol

beardog - you have an M3, quit yer bitchin!

+1



EDIT: Mac, I now see where you tell me whatever it is you said MBQ stands for; yeah, that's weird.

swerve

Yea well I'm getting all JL within the next year. really looking forward to it too.

exalted512

Originally posted by cam5860
you know you got to hate jl audio fans. they think that nothing is ever as good as jl. they always have a excuse. someone always has the wrong figures or something. look mtx got it from the jl audio site hell were they supposed to look for the specs. anyway you look at it mtx's 9500 is spanking that **** at half the cost of a jl audio w7 sub.

let me tell you, im a huge JL fan:rolleyes:

i have yet to see a dumax for a mtx 9500 so i dont care what specs mtx has on their site, you can take it all with a grain of salt.

the mtx 9500 doesnt have near the sound quality of a w7, not even close.

you apparently have a mtx boner or something, you want some real competition? check out adire audio and look up the brahma. itll spank the 9500 in x-max, x-mech, will have a flatter bl curve, will handle twice as much power, have MUCH better sound quality, and will still cost you less

honestly, if you dont know what youre talking about, stfu, gtfo, and some other stuff thatll probably get deleted so ill just let you imagine it
-Cody

swerve

ohhh cody layin down for the 05'.

neomagus00

hehe... i can't help but find all this enormously amusing... they're frickin SPEAKERS for cryin out loud! yes, each person has their favorite, everyone dislikes a brand for various reasons, etc. if someone asks a question, ya answer it, back it up with facts (as everyone here is trying to do, at least, i will give you that), and let it be... do any of you think you're going to convince the others that you're right? honestly, now, it's never going to happen, so just sit back and bathe in your own superiority, cause everyone knows their pet brands are the best, and that's that...

this is like watching people argue the merits of Lamborghini versus Ferrari versus McLaren... it's just crazy...

swerve

Originally posted by neomagus00
hehe... i can't help but find all this enormously amusing... they're frickin SPEAKERS for cryin out loud! yes, each person has their favorite, everyone dislikes a brand for various reasons, etc. if someone asks a question, ya answer it, back it up with facts (as everyone here is trying to do, at least, i will give you that), and let it be... do any of you think you're going to convince the others that you're right? honestly, now, it's never going to happen, so just sit back and bathe in your own superiority, cause everyone knows their pet brands are the best, and that's that...

this is like watching people argue the merits of Lamborghini versus Ferrari versus McLaren... it's just crazy...

obviously my crystal 8"s are the loudest here....
therefore adire, JL, mtx, and re can all go shove it.

audiobliss

Just in case y'all were wonderin'....McLaren is the BOMB!!!!!

MacLeod

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1996blackmax

Hey MacLeod,

I installed my MTX Thunder564 last night and I am very happy with it . I still have to fine tune it (properly adjust the gains, as I finished late last night), but I like what I hear . My Polk DB3065's are happy too.

audiobliss

Besides, it doesn't matter who 'wins' the 'argument'. We can only argue specs. No one can make any ground until they start listening. And then, it all becomes personal preference. So, no one can ever make any ground! lol

audiobliss

Originally posted by 1996blackmax
Hey MacLeod,

I installed my MTX Thunder564 last night and I am very happy with it . I still have to fine tune it (properly adjust the gains, as I finished late last night), but I like what I hear . My Polk DB3065's are happy too.

Congrats, man. That is an awesome amp.

beardog03

Originally posted by MacLeod
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that cracked me up....

That`s some funny ****..!!

Toxis

Originally posted by cam5860
you know you got to hate jl audio fans. they think that nothing is ever as good as jl. they always have a excuse. someone always has the wrong figures or something. look mtx got it from the jl audio site hell were they supposed to look for the specs. anyway you look at it mtx's 9500 is spanking that **** at half the cost of a jl audio w7 sub.

Yup... this, ladies and gentlemen, is yet another uneducated piece of information that we can thank the internet for. Oh, and did you hear AudioBahn makes good amps? I've heard that too.

Thank you cody... at least someone has an ear. Personally, I'd take a Focal or IDMax over 99% of the subs out on the market for SQ. I'm not in this for output. That'll come with plenty of power. I'm in it for how well it SOUNDS. Holy ****, there's a new concept.

PolkThug

Those other companies are lame. Get a pair of 15" Polk MM2154DVC's from a company with the best friggin customer service ever and be done with it.

Regards,
PolkThug

neomagus00

Originally posted by beardog03
that cracked me up....

That`s some funny ****..!!

+1, that poster is awesome

cam5860

Here is my take on mtx im not a huge fan of mtx. i was just trying to let people know that mtx is not to be taken lightly. no there high end components won't be the best. but they will be in the top 5 i bet that before it's all said and done. i remember when mtx's amps and subs were not that good either. but when they stepped it up they meant business and i think thats what there doing with there speaker line now.

MacLeod

Funny, MTX isnt taken seriously anywhere except in competition circles. Hmmmm.

Ill put their subs and amps (ho-hum on the speakers) against anything else on the market. They may not be better than some but I guaran-damn-tee ya theyll more than hold their own!

blackmax- Glad you got that thing working. Its a hoss that cleanly makes much more power than its rated for. And that thing is built like a tank so itll take plenty of abuse.

Those other companies are lame. Get a pair of 15" Polk MM2154DVC's from a company with the best friggin customer service ever and be done with it.

'Nuff said!

1996blackmax

Yep, it sure has strong & clean output .

The birth sheet states it is putting out 468 watts RMS, and this is at 12.5 Volts. (thats 58.5 watts per channel at 4ohms & at 12.5V )

Signal To Noise Ratio of 110dB

THD+N from 20Hz-20kHz is 0.099% (at a 2ohm load)


Frequency response or +/- 0.25dB from 20Hz-20kHz


I would say that this is pretty darn good, especially for what I paid.


I think I made a good decision in buying this amp :cool: .

MacLeod

Ah, that birth sheet lies. I guarantee you that amp is making a lot more power than that.

Id guesstimate that thing is making more like 75 watts per channel at 12.5 volts. These things are known for exceeding their 14 volt rating at 12 volts.

1996blackmax

I did read a review where the guy said that MTX was extremely conservative with their ratings. The amp he was testing was putting out more than what MTX stated, NICE .