Led Zep Karma items-testing the waters

heiney9

I’ve been thinking about this idea for a while. I need some feed back as far as interest in this type of thing. Also need to know if this is allowed in this forum. There seems to be some interest in Led Zeppelin here, among many other bands. I have been collecting LZ ROIO (recordings of illegitimate origin), in a word bootlegs, for over 20 years. I thought if there was interest and approval from the elders/moderators, maybe I could make a series of these available; via cdr’s, as a Karma item that we could pass around amongst those of us interested in hearing the band live, as they were meant to be heard.

I know with the latest releases of HTWW and the DVD we aren’t as starved for the live material as we used to be. Frankly, there are other essential performances that can only compliment the official releases. Obviously ROIO recordings won’t come close to matching the SQ of official releases, but the ones I have in mind are very good to exc. as these types of recordings go.

I have over 350 shows and would only make a handful of the best of the best available. Try them out, if you like, copy them and send them on to the next interested party. I haven’t worked out all the details yet, just seeing if this is appropriate and if there is some interest. If not, that’s cool. Just testing the waters……..give me some feedback, + or -.

Brock

F1nut

Works for me.

ND13

Sign me up, LZ is by far my favorite. Own every "officially" released recording they have put out. I would love to here some more live sessions. Hook us up H9.

faster100

what! No moral police on making copies of recordings? works for me also...

gregure

As tantalizing as that sounds, I honestly think this is a bad idea. First of all, participating in something like that is ILLEGAL, and as lax as many have become about such things over the years, I still think putting this on the web in a forum is asking to be caught.
Furthermore, given the extent to which Jimmy Page painstakingly set about remastering the albums, How The West Was Won, and the new DVD, I think we have the best and only examples of truly high quality live recordings, ones which the bandmembers themselves are proud of. I would love to hear more live recordings, but honestly, if they sound sub-par it wouldn't really be worth it.
Lastly, if Jimmy and Robert ever got wind of it, I would suspect they may want to put a stop to it, although since they are bootlegs, not copies of actual copyrighted recordings, it could remain under the radar. I'm pretty sure John Paul wouldn't give a ****.

ND13

Originally posted by faster100
what! No moral police on making copies of recordings? works for me also...

You had to go and wake them up.:(

Toxis

I would love to have a copy of this.

faster100

Originally posted by ND13
You had to go and wake them up.:(

I know right!

gregure

It's not a moral thing, just had to play the "we'll get caught" role.

heiney9

Originally posted by gregure
As tantalizing as that sounds, I honestly think this is a bad idea. First of all, participating in something like that is ILLEGAL, and as lax as many have become about such things over the years, I still think putting this on the web in a forum is asking to be caught.
Furthermore, given the extent to which Jimmy Page painstakingly set about remastering the albums, How The West Was Won, and the new DVD, I think we have the best and only examples of truly high quality live recordings, ones which the bandmembers themselves are proud of. I would love to hear more live recordings, but honestly, if they sound sub-par it wouldn't really be worth it.
Lastly, if Jimmy and Robert ever got wind of it, I would suspect they may want to put a stop to it, although since they are bootlegs, not copies of actual copyrighted recordings, it could remain under the radar. I'm pretty sure John Paul wouldn't give a ****.

I totally respect your input about concern of "grey" market recordings, that's why I'm asking for input. I've traded out in the open on list serv called "for Badge Holder's Only" a LZ text based mailing list. We have shared recordings for over 7 years, with tangible proof that either JP himself and/ or reps for the former members were lurking in the background. No trouble ever when it came to trading.

As far as the new releases being the best representation of the band. It barely scratches the surface. He only released what he felt he could salvage and make absolutely pristine. That's JP for you, a complete perfectionist. With out his painstaking attention to detail while w/ the band, and after, they would never have been what they were. I admire him for having, and holding such high standards.

These recordings are not up to the standards of reg. recordings. They were made in the 70's on ancient equip. In your opinion they may not be worth it, but in many others opinion they are treasures. A way to re-live something most could never exp. LZ was the best live band, EVER and the tapes prove it.

I will abide by whatever the majority feel is appropriate, but it's one thing to say don't do it for legal reasons and another to say it wouldn't be worth it. Not worth it to you, maybe.

H9;)

ND13

Like I said before, sign me up. They can come put the cuffs on me while I'm soaking up the "fresh" recordings on the SDA's, perfect SQ or not. ITS LED ZEPPELIN!!!!

heiney9

Actually I'm not trying to be a smart **** but here a couple of pics of Jimmy Page in a Japanese Bootleg shop making purchases.....


Pic 1

H9

heiney9

pic 2

PolkThug

Stop talking about it, delete your above posts, then DO IT!

For an example:

http://clubpolk.polkaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23147&highlight=home+theater+demo

gregure

Hey, if the band is cool with it, and there's no legal hassles, I say go for it. It just seems there's so much crap surrounding unauthorized recordings that it seemed like a bit of a risk to propose something like that in print on a forum.
Again, if it's not a problem, whatever.
I don't think people are wrong for choosing to listen to your recordings just because they may not be of the same high quality recording standards of what's available commercially. Obviously plenty of people in America are happy with their iPods, so they are willing to sacrifice quality for quantity.
I'll admit, I would love to experience more live Zeppelin material, but I, perhaps like Mr. Page, am a perfectionist when it comes to recordings. Anything sub-par annoys me, and I can't help focusing on the flaws. You asked for input, I gave it. I was not speaking for anyone but myself.
Cool pics of JP, by the way.
The bootlegs he has in the photos appear to be of the same concerts that are used for the DVD. I think these photos were taken during his quest for material as he was building the DVD compilation, as some bootleg footage was spliced in to the official footage on the DVD.

heiney9

Gregure,

I do appreciate your input, and I hope the tone of my reply wasn't too harsh, it wasn't meant to be. I figure for free people can listen to the music and decide for themsleves if it's something they like or dis-like. Believe me LZ is the only band I collect. Even on a marginal recordings, when they are on, it's magic. I'm just as much a perfectionist for sound as you. LZ live is just magical regardless of the quality. Really there is some truth to what you're saying. Compared to HTWW, these are definetly a step down. There are people, like yourself, who just can't enjoy a performance no matter how good it is performance wise unless the sound is just as good. I understand. It may be worth a try.

H9

heiney9

Originally posted by gregure
Cool pics of JP, by the way.
The bootlegs he has in the photos appear to be of the same concerts that are used for the DVD. I think these photos were taken during his quest for material as he was building the DVD compilation, as some bootleg footage was spliced in to the official footage on the DVD.

Actually a call was put out thru some channels on our LZ list serv that they were looking for any bootleg video footage available to be considered for the DVD. I know one of the members on the list quite well and they used the actual footage he shot at Madison Square Garden in 1973. The B/W footage from the crowd looking towards the stage during the Ocean, right as the explosions go off on stage. It's only about 15 sec of footage. As far as I know no footage was used from any commercially avail bootleg video mat. They went straight for the master for what they ended up using in the DVD.

Actually when it was all done, JP used quite a bit of bootleg footage throuhg out the whole DVD, most if not all came from fan and collectors. JP was quoted as saying "we needed to go to the experts to get some of this footage, those experts are the fans"

FWIW

H9

Willow

Hmmm, I'm in.....it's not illegal in Canada:D

ND13

HMMMM....Did I say I was in, well I'M STILL IN!!!!!;)

What, it's not in the mail, yet?:D

jgido759

Count me in, also!

Spawndn72

In, just no one start throwing rocks, I live in a glass house as most of you probably do.

faster100

send it out man,

PolkThug

"N"

thehaens@cox.net

I think you are on to something....count me in...I have some good quality Rush shows, recorded straight off the sound board...

heiney9

Sounds like there's some interest I'm going to let the thread go thru the weekend and get back with more details next week about how this will work.

H9

:cool:

ND13

Sounds like a plan my man.

DAGLJAM6

IN- even if we end up off forum.

Mazeroth

HUGE IN for this one!

Roy Munson

Go for it!

N

petrym

In please!

heiney9

I haven't counted, but maybe a dozen or so are interested. I'm currently working out the details and will post later today. I think I'm going to do this in a chronological order as that's the best way to follow the bands evolution. So I will start out with 1969 as there is is only 1 show available from '68 and the SQ is marginal.

Details to follow.......

H9

P.S. This has been great for me because I'm pulling out all my stuff and listening all over again......very exciting!! The hair stands up on the back of my neck sometimes.