Petition to save SACD

SKsolutions

Kurtster wrote:

Besides all that, I think the consumer masses are generally happy enough with CDs that they have no desire to upgrade their collections. Maybe telling them back in 1985 that CDs sound as good as the original recordings wasn't such a good plan after all? :-)
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Is this linear and critical thinking. . . ? . . I think you could be tossed out on your keister for that.

I agree with your reasoning, but for the love of god . . . be quiet. . ."they" will hear you. . . . . quick grab a hose

Kurtster

I'm so glad you have a sense of humor. I was worried because I just wanted to throw my two cents in but I did not eant to offend so I walked a fine line. Seriously though, good luck on the petition. I don't think "they" are paying attention anyway.

SKsolutions wrote:

Kurtster wrote:

Besides all that, I think the consumer masses are generally happy enough with CDs that they have no desire to upgrade their collections. Maybe telling them back in 1985 that CDs sound as good as the original recordings wasn't such a good plan after all? :-)
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Is this linear and critical thinking. . . ? . . I think you could be tossed out on your keister for that.

I agree with your reasoning, but for the love of god . . . be quiet. . ."they" will hear you. . . . . quick grab a hose

kingkip

I think an equally important problem is that the majority out there do not have the capability of producing 5.1 channels of music. Not only do people have to swap out their disc collection and buy a new source component, but they also need 4 more speakers and wire to connect and space to put it all and...

Not to mention that a lot of people don't even really notice a difference. Probably because they aren't obsessing over mixes and sampling rates, they just have it on in the background during a BBQ or something. SACD doesn't really do much there.

The format war was too much of a hurdle to get over when you combine the rest of the hurdles intrinsically faced when you change a medium. I'll sign the petition, but IMO I'm going down with a sinking ship.

kingkip

978 BTW

Oh and on a side note, I think the only reason Sony is keeping SACD around is that you can't rip it. As soon as someone figures that out buh-bye.

ninerbj

973 need all the help we can get!!

cmy330go

About a year ago I remember reading in TWICE (This Week in Consumer Electronics) that in '04 DVD-A and SACD sales had dropped off dramatically. In fact I think they said that the sales volume of the two formats combined fell short of vinyl sales.:eek: It's really a shame that we may end up stuck with CD as the highest resolution digital format.

EDIT: Found the original article! You have to register to read it.

At this point I think the only hope would be the recording industry to just say "this is the new standard", and start recording everything in SACD or DVD-A. At least if they did that I wouldn't feel so raw every time I have to purchase a CD at $12-$15.

I would also venture to say that a significant contributor to the fall of SACD is the public's increased interest in independent artists. Seems people are finding out faster and faster that much of what is on the major labels anymore is just pure garbage.

Anyway that's just my $0.02 worth. I hope SACD pull through!

Signature #988
Dave

dudeinaroom

Kurtster wrote:

The concept of multi-channel surround music is exciting to me, but SACD and DVD-Audio are both DOA IMO. They aren't selling well and they're overpriced. Again, I dig DTS Audio CDs, but I don't see this stuff going anywhere, petition or not. I can't get half the bands I like in any discrete multi-channel format.

I could care less about mulit channel when it comes to music. The only thing about sacd's I care about is the higher resolution. If it has a 2ch, and a 5.1 channel mix, I'm 99% of the time going to listen to the 2 channel mix. With sda's you don't need 5.1 or circle surround proc. Just feed them a good clean high powered signal and you'll be checking to see if you did leave it in surround mode, even though you know it's playing 2 ch.
Later, just my 2 cents

Danny Tse

cmy330go wrote:

About a year ago I remember reading in TWICE (This Week in Consumer Electronics) that in '04 DVD-A and SACD sales had dropped off dramatically. In fact I think they said that the sales volume of the two formats combined fell short of vinyl sales.:eek: It's really a shame that we may end up stuck with CD as the highest resolution digital format.

EDIT: Found the original article! You have to register to read it.

At this point I think the only hope would be the recording industry to just say "this is the new standard", and start recording everything in SACD or DVD-A. At least if they did that I wouldn't feel so raw every time I have to purchase a CD at $12-$15.

I would also venture to say that a significant contributor to the fall of SACD is the public's increased interest in independent artists. Seems people are finding out faster and faster that much of what is on the major labels anymore is just pure garbage.

Anyway that's just my $0.02 worth. I hope SACD pull through!

Signature #988
Dave

Thanks for the support, Dave! 1,004 signatures as of this post.

I know of the RIAA report you linked. There's a lot of "holes" in the data provided. DualDisc titles that featured a DVD-A side, such as Dire Straits' "Brothers in Arms", counted as a DualDisc and not a DVD-A. By all indications, the count for SACD seems to indicate it is from single-layer SACDs only....and how many of those has been released within the last 2 years? SoundScan, which is what RIAA uses for sales reporting, comes from the big retailers....Walmart, Tower Records, etc. I would venture to say most hi-rez sales comes from internet sales (Music Direct, Elusive Disc, etc.).

Marketing of the hi-rez titles is obviously weak. For example, Sony has a guarantee blockbuster album on their hands with the upcoming Dixie Chicks album. You would think they would use the opportunity to release a single-inventory hybrid SACD for the new title. Nooooooooo.....

Danny Tse

dudeinaroom wrote:

I could care less about mulit channel when it comes to music. The only thing about sacd's I care about is the higher resolution.

Me too. I use headphones ($69.00 Grado SR60) with a Sony DVP-NS500V DVD/SACD/CD player....nothing fancy. And even I can hear the improvement in sound quality. Not from some boring audiophile SACDs....but from pop SACDs from the likes of John Mayer and Duran Duran.

Larry Chanin

Hi Guys,

I'm pretty much a home theater enthusiast, so please be tolerant of my ignorance of the high resolution music issues.

The other day I was shocked to find that the new high definition DVD formats, HD-DVD and Blu-ray, in addition to providing high definition video have the potential of providing high definition audio.

Although the new discs and DVD players won't support them yet, these formats are designed to support 7.1 lossless channels. Both Dolby and dts have competing versions of the technology.

Preparing You for the New High Definition Audio Formats: an Introduction to Dolby True HD and DTS HD

Here's an excerpt from the above article.

Dolby True HD will offer bit-for-bit sound reproduction identical to the studio master. Over seven full-range 24-bit/96kHz discrete channels are supported, with the Low Frequency Channel (LFE) providing the .1 to make up the full 7.1 audio spectrum. Theoretically, Dolby True HD can support more channels, but the overall offering has been limited to 8 channels (7, plus the LFE) for its use on HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.

HD DVD currently has an approved audio specification scheme. The supported mandatory formats will be Dolby Digital Plus (DD+), DTS++, MLP 2-Channel (lossless 24-bit, 192kHz) and DTS++ Lossless (optional).

So with such advanced high resolution audio on the verge of market entry, it seems that the handwritting is on the wall for the old high resolution audio formats. Doesn't it?

Larry

steveinaz

Hate to be cynical, but...
If they want my sig, they have to agree to sell me my SACD's at half the price of the 640 redbook CD's I'm replacing. Otherwise...have a nice day.

Matter of fact, here's a marketing idea:
Just like software upgrades in the computer industry, give me a discount for having version 1 (the redbook CD). Hey, thats only fair. After starting from 8-track, then turntable, then cassette, then CD, I'm done replacing my music library.

RoosterD

#1052

Zen Dragon

steveinaz wrote:

Hate to be cynical, but...

Matter of fact, here's a marketing idea:
Just like software upgrades in the computer industry, give me a discount for having version 1 (the redbook CD). Hey, thats only fair. After starting from 8-track, then turntable, then cassette, then CD, I'm done replacing my music library.

That's not cynical at all. It is one of the biggest valid arguements I have heard from the music download crowd.
When you have purchased a piece of music from an artist, most of the cost is to cover the production, marketing, and royalties to the artist.
So having paid all those fees you should own the rights to one copy. If you want to change the medium of the recording they should only charge you the cost of the new medium and packaging. Hell, I'll pay $1 just so there is some extra profit to go around.
Alas the world is not always fair or perfect.

I know....

Waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh.

Danny Tse

Tonight, Sony confirms SACD will be part of the upcoming PlayStation 3 platform.

nebborjk

#1069

Danny Tse

2,219 signatures on the "Save SACD" petition as number of titles approaches 4,400 at sa-cd.net.

ben62670

2225

rskarvan

2230.

disneyjoe7

#2232 Here.

dudeinaroom

signed again

RuSsMaN

Who cares.

You want to 'save' SACD, GO BUY SACD's!!!

Dead format anyway. DVD-A and SACD had a little war, and the winner was Ipod. Two high res formats duked it out, and the public chose near cd quality. Think about that for a moment.

Cheers,
Russ

F1nut

Far from dead, my friend and I care.

G-2

Signed, Love those SACD's...

G-2

Signed, Love those SACD's, 2246...

treitz3

This is treitz3, and I am proud to be on the list!

For those who haven't heard it yet, you should sign it too, because once you upgrade, you will kick yourself in the a$$ for not signing the petition!

Thank you to all that have signed!!!

Danny Tse

The 4,500th SACD title mark has been crossed at sa-cd.net earlier this afternoon....of course, by 5 new Japan Sony jazz titles.

Just bumping up the old Save SACD petition. Currently with 2,712 signatures.

beetle

I think I already signed this petition or another one like it a year ago, but, even if Sony (god help us) and other labels support the format, it don't mean squat if they don't issue and sell pop/rock/R&B titles.

halo

Signed it.

aaharvel

Proud to sign it again. That said I haven't seen a sacd worth buying in a long time (of course musical tastes are subjective). Of course when I say "seen a sacd" i refer to internet dealers. I haven't physically "seen" an SACD in any music store in almost 1 year.