So... have I gone deaf?

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  • BlueMDPicker
    BlueMDPicker Posts: 7,569
    edited March 2005
    Oh, I see. Looked to me like you were trying to start a beef.
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  • LuSh
    LuSh Posts: 887
    edited March 2005
    As I sit here and read this thread, I'm taking medication. How can so many people argue over the merits of $150 digital when it was only two weeks ago it was confirmed by many there weren't many differences. Even more funny was the number of source player upgrades I've been reading about this week. Benchmark DAC, rega planet cd player. Interesting indeed.

    To suggest the Sony SACD player is a good unit because of its rated signal noise and THD% is like Bill gates releasing spec's on Windows XP and suggesting its free of bugs. Many have suggested the golden age of redbook was the mid 90's when the likes of Meitner, Levinson, Wadia, Sonic Frontiers, YBA went full bore and created reference DAC's...most were only using 18bit, but had an analoge section that is much higher end then most stuff today.

    I had a sony sacd a few years ago, 5 disc, and it I THOUGHT sounded decent, untill I listened to a NAD 541i and was blown away. I thought the NAD was the end all untill I heard a Meitner DAC and started to understand what CD was suppose to be and was promised many many moons ago.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,546
    edited March 2005
    Careful Lush or you might find yourself on the "audiophile snob" list (thanks to PT for that one) along with Troy, myself and a few others. ;)
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • lomic
    lomic Posts: 407
    edited March 2005
    Between all the aruging this thread was somewhat informative about CDP's, and the drama just made it fun to read. Good thread imo. God I need to replace this Pioneer DVD player I'm using as my source :(
    Dodd Audio ELP [ Tubes ] // Harman Kardon AVR330 // Parasound HCA-1203A // Denon DVD-2900
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by LuSh
    As I sit here and read this thread, I'm taking medication. How can so many people argue over the merits of $150 digital when it was only two weeks ago it was confirmed by many there weren't many differences. Even more funny was the number of source player upgrades I've been reading about this week. Benchmark DAC, rega planet cd player. Interesting indeed.

    How does upgrading your source change anything about the speaker/source debate? Speakers, IMO, still change your sound more than any other component. You're talking apples and oranges again. I bought a new DAC for 2 reasons; 1. I wanted to. 2. The analog section of my current player is having problems--so BAM...use it as a transport. How does that change my stance on speakers?
    Originally posted by LuSh
    To suggest the Sony SACD player is a good unit because of its rated signal noise and THD% is like Bill gates releasing spec's on Windows XP and suggesting its free of bugs.

    I was simply making the point that although the Sony may sound different, it does not make it an inferior product.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • LuSh
    LuSh Posts: 887
    edited March 2005
    The amount of $$$ you've spent on your source (pre-amp & redbook combo players) in relation to what was spent on your speakers would strongly suggest you think source is important. And if you've been planning on upgrading your speakers, you did what I already suggested, begining with your source and building outwards.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited March 2005
    F1, Troy, Lush:

    When will you get it? This hobby is about personal preferences. Not cost, brand names, etc. Just as you may laugh at the guy with the $125 Sony changer--you can bet he's laughing at you for spending a thousand...different strokes, men.

    The fact of the matter is you come off with this condescending attitude...and thats cool, be whatever you want to be, makes me no difference. I just think you could communicate your point(s) alot better if you didn't come off so dogmatic.

    I've been into hi-fi for over 32 years, and have owned hundreds of pieces of equipment, but I still learn something new everyday. Some lessons I've learned more than once...those are the ones I share.

    Peace/Love/Rock n Roll
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by LuSh
    The amount of $$$ you've spent on your source (pre-amp & redbook combo players) in relation to what was spent on your speakers would strongly suggest you think source is important. And if you've been planning on upgrading your speakers, you did what I already suggested, begining with your source and building outwards.

    That's where you're wrong again. I will have to move to a $1500 to $2000/pr speaker to out-do what I have already. And I'm very satisfied with my current speakers.

    Don't confuse $$$ with signifigance of sound change.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • LuSh
    LuSh Posts: 887
    edited March 2005
    You could spend $500 and get a much different sound, then what you currently have. You're right money has nothin to do with it when it comes to speakers. I've heard $5k speakers I didn't like. I've never heard $5k in electronics that wasn't good. That's why if I had a set budget I'd put the most on the electronics and put the rest into something I can live with, which appears to be what you have done. In regards to the sony player, its not about making fun of somebody. Never once have I done that.

    But I wont sugar coat something. How many people on this forum laff and make fun of people with Bose? If somebody mentioned they looking at Bose I'd suggest something else, as I'm sure 99% of the people would do here. People laff at Bose all the time, I didn't laff at the Sony CD changer (I have owned) I simply suggested why it wasn't up to snuff with better digital.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,546
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by steveinaz
    The analog section of my current player is having problems--so BAM...use it as a transport.


    Didn't you just buy that cdp?
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited March 2005
    Did you read the post? It was addressing 3 people. I said "just as you may laugh at....." Maybe "scoff" would have been a better word.

    BTW, I owned Bose 901 VI's for 14 years, one of the most enjoyable speakers I ever owned. I don't care how other people feel about that...hell it was my $800 (Army exchange) and I liked them alot. Turned around and sold them 14yrs later for $700.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by F1nut
    Didn't you just buy that cdp?

    My wife got it for me Christmas 2003. I have some sort of popping sound happening that I can't identify---but it doesn't affect the digital out circuits. I figured, what the heck, I've been wanting to try an out-board DAC, the Benchmark looks real good--so I went for it.

    It's hard to get support on CEC, you've got to send it off to Mutine, Inc. in Canada. I just spend $44 bucks on a replacement remote for the thing. (ouch).
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,546
    edited March 2005
    Ah, I see. So, how's the Benchmark working out?
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited March 2005
    It's still back-ordered. I ordered it back on the 18th of Feb, and it's suppose to ship this week. I'm pretty excited based on the reviews I've read on this---plus the CEC CDP has XLR digital out, so it should make a good transport. Picked up an AES/EBU cable from Frank at Signal Cable--very nice build quality.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,546
    edited March 2005
    Cool, look forward to your impressions.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by steveinaz
    F1, Troy, Lush:

    When will you get it? This hobby is about personal preferences. Not cost, brand names, etc. Just as you may laugh at the guy with the $125 Sony changer--you can bet he's laughing at you for spending a thousand...different strokes, men.

    The fact of the matter is you come off with this condescending attitude...and thats cool, be whatever you want to be, makes me no difference. I just think you could communicate your point(s) alot better if you didn't come off so dogmatic.

    I've been into hi-fi for over 32 years, and have owned hundreds of pieces of equipment, but I still learn something new everyday. Some lessons I've learned more than once...those are the ones I share.

    Peace/Love/Rock n Roll

    Get what?

    If YOU think that the Sony is a great piece of gear, well BULLY for you! I'm merely expressing and trying to explain my opinion. If you don't happen to buy it, FINE. Explain to me how that constitutes condescension????

    What's dogmatic about my position? I've listened to and owned a LOT of entry level players. Some being better than others, however, not one of them compares to the Jolida and it's not, IMO, fair to expect them to. IF one did, I'd probably own it as I suspect you probably would too (and again, judging by the gear you own...you have drawn a similar conclusion)

    That's my opinion, if you don't like it or don't agree, that's fine. However, to insinuate that I'm condescending or a snob or whatever because I (and others) disagree is childish. How long you've been in audio or how much gear you own is completely irrelevant to the conversation. It's MY opinion and your resume is not likely to make me change. It's also irrelevant to my view of YOUR opinion. I still respect your opinion, I just don't happen to agree.

    For myself, I've never looked down on anyone or thier rig. I've ALWAYS said if you own it and you dig it, who is anyone to tell you different?

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited March 2005
    Then after you upgrade the Jolida, your point of reference will change again, and you'll realize how "veiled" it sounded. ;)
    Never Forget
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited March 2005
    OMG Mark you're killing me here!

    You better wear more than that, personally I don't mind, but since my brother will be with me it would be for the best. He's kinda on the protective side when it comes to me, and I wouldn't want anyone to end up on the wrong side of his temper!;)


    Originally posted by dorokusai
    I like to take my pants off when I rock my Sony....I swear it makes difference.

    You know how freaky those folks are right!? They build that into their gear!

    The 2005 Polkfest is an Audio Nut/ Nudist w/ Nuts event....shite, I forgot CFrizz is coming, so we may have to wear fig leaves.
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited March 2005
    Low end, high end. common man, high class snob, beef, pork, ribs, pulled pork, sauce, no sauce.

    You guys have gone around the world with this thread & I'm having a blast reading it!

    By all means keep going!:D :D:D
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited March 2005
    Today, we finally have some nice weather, reminds me of BBQ weather. I think I'll pick up some center-cut porkchops, and rub them tonight with a good high-end rub, then cook them tomorrow.

    Some of you may not rub your porkchops, and that's fine, I used to be that way too. But it doesn't matter what I think, if you like rub-free porkchops then more power to you if that's what you like. It doesn't matter what my experience has taught ME, its what tastes good to YOU.

    Regards,
    PT
    Never Forget
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited March 2005
    I think I am going blind....

    As for all the snob BS... dogs... hunt... not...
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
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  • BlueMDPicker
    BlueMDPicker Posts: 7,569
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by PolkThug
    Some of you may not rub your porkchops, and that's fine, I used to be that way too.

    Once you start pulling your pork, it's all downhill from there......
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by Tour2ma
    I think I am going blind....

    As for all the snob BS... dogs... hunt... not...

    Speaking of going blind. Tour, how close are you to South Padre? We need some spring break pics for a new babe thread!
    Never Forget
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  • jmierzur
    jmierzur Posts: 489
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by steveinaz
    My wife got it for me Christmas 2003. I have some sort of popping sound happening that I can't identify---but it doesn't affect the digital out circuits.

    Its funny you should mention this, I have a DVD player that is producing the same popping sound. Is this a sign that the player is about to "give up the ghost"? Other than the popping sound at about 10 minute intervals, the player appears fine. The player is not worth fixing as it is for the second system used mainly for the children's DVDs.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited March 2005
    Mine just pops once, then its fine until powered down/up again.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • pjdami
    pjdami Posts: 1,894
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by steveinaz
    My wife got it for me Christmas 2003. I have some sort of popping sound happening that I can't identify---but it doesn't affect the digital out circuits. I figured, what the heck, I've been wanting to try an out-board DAC, the Benchmark looks real good--so I went for it.

    It's hard to get support on CEC, you've got to send it off to Mutine, Inc. in Canada. I just spend $44 bucks on a replacement remote for the thing. (ouch).

    Steve,
    Since you own Musical Fidelity gear, did you consider the XDACv3? Just wondering.
    Paul
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