So... have I gone deaf?

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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by polksda
    I guess I misinterpreted it as well; I thought that was exactly what you were doing...

    Look, dude, you started it with the 'audiophile snob' comment......and it went downhill from there.

    Look, just because someone doesn't agree with your opinion or thinks your gear is as great as you do, why must it get your **** in a wringer.

    If you don't want opinons, don't ask for them. :rolleyes:

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by polksda
    Thank you, that was my point. I could be wrong, but I don't believe F1 has actually heard a CE595, but out comes the "it's inexpensive so it must be crap" mantra.

    I understand the camp that says "you get what you pay for" and only buys expensive equipment. I also understand the camp that is always looking for that elusive bargain gem, the Toshiba 3960s of the world. What I don't understand is F1s complete and utter contempt for anything that isn't elite, and the attitude that if you own or advocate a bargain-priced component, you're a moron.

    It's insulting. Maybe it's not intended that way, but it is.

    *shrug* Oh well...

    Look, what are you guys missing here?

    IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOUR POINT OF REFERENCE IS

    I've listened to enough entry level players long enough to realize that there is a REASON that I dropped the coinage for a brand new tube CD player. It sounds better. Period. Since upgrading MY point of reference, every entry level player that I hear or have heard is, for lack of a better term, less than adequate for my tastes. Does that mean I'm a snob? Possibly, but from what I use as a reference, I stand by it. Does it mean that your gear sucks? If it doesn't to you, good on you. Enjoy it.

    The point is fellas, if you dig your gear, does it REALLY matter what I or anyone else thinks?

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,546
    edited March 2005
    Let me comment further, just as the law of dimishing returns applies to moving up the audio chain, it applies to the other end as well. It is wholly unrealistic to think that for $150.00 one is going to get a CD/SACD that isn't easily bested by a CD/SACD a little further up the chain. There is only so much a manufacturer can include in said player and sell it for that price. With that in mind there shouldn't be any reasonable expectation for quality sound.



    Yummmmmmmmy, BBQ!
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited March 2005
    Yes, it is interesting how your point of reference evolves, just never forget what your very first point of reference was. Kind of like how I can't stand watching TV at other people's houses (add me to videophile snob list).

    We need a Kansas City Polkfest 2006!
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  • BlueMDPicker
    BlueMDPicker Posts: 7,569
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by PolkThug
    We need a Kansas City Polkfest 2006!

    I'm in!

    So happens I know where the point of reference BBQ joints are in that town.
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by BlueMDPicker
    I'm in!

    So happens I know where the point of reference BBQ joints are in that town.

    Yes, we can practice changing our point of reference by visiting each one!:)
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited March 2005
    I'm down with the BBQ as well.....however, my point of reference dictates that BBQ means PORK.

    BDT
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  • BlueMDPicker
    BlueMDPicker Posts: 7,569
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by TroyD
    I'm down with the BBQ as well.....however, my point of reference dictates that BBQ means PORK.

    BDT

    With respect to ribs, I concur. For sandwiches, your point of reference needs adjusting. :p
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited March 2005
    ...and the Sony CE-595 is not a decent player because...

    It distorts? Nah...005% THD
    It doesn't provide the full frequency spectrum? Nah..10-20kHz
    It has alot of background hiss? Nah..107dB S/N Ratio
    It doesn't track well? Nah..Sony tranports are used in MANY high-end units

    It's not your cup of tea? Aha! There it is!
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  • BlueMDPicker
    BlueMDPicker Posts: 7,569
    edited March 2005
    Steve missed the group hug. :(
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by TroyD
    I'm down with the BBQ as well.....however, my point of reference dictates that BBQ means PORK.

    BDT

    hell yeah!

    Fiorella's Jack Stack Barbecue
    Gates BBQ
    Arthur Bryant's Barbeque
    Rosedale
    Woodyard
    Oklahoma Joe's
    Smoke Stack
    Wyandot Barbeque
    Zarda Bar-B-Q

    plus about 40 other places
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by BlueMDPicker
    With respect to ribs, I concur. For sandwiches, your point of reference needs adjusting. :p

    Sounds like you've never had a "decent" pulled pork sandwich!:D
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by BlueMDPicker
    Steve missed the group hug. :(

    LMAO! He was too busy reserching. :)
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  • BlueMDPicker
    BlueMDPicker Posts: 7,569
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by PolkThug
    Sounds like you've never had a "decent" pulled pork sandwich!:D

    Pork snob! :p
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited March 2005
    I'm hugging, I'm hugging...;)

    Differing opinions make the world go 'round.
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by BlueMDPicker
    Pork snob! :p

    Hey you can't call me a pork snob directly, you have to put me on the "pork snob list" :p
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by PolkThug
    LMAO! He was too busy reserching. :)

    LMAO! You had me pegged. You people are getting to know me too well...:D
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  • BlueMDPicker
    BlueMDPicker Posts: 7,569
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by PolkThug
    Hey you can't call me a pork snob directly, you have to put me on the "pork snob list" :p
    My apologies, PT. I'm sure Mahageny smoked pork is superb!

    (Pssst.... you left Quick's on Merriam Lane in KCK off your short list. We need to get your mind right!)
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by BlueMDPicker
    (Pssst.... you left Quick's on Merriam Lane in KCK off your short list. We need to get your mind right!)

    Ooh, I haven't tried that one yet, I'll check it out this weekend.

    My favorite burger is in Merriam. At Grandstand, they have a burger called the Kelly Burger:

    top bun
    lettuce
    tomato
    bacon
    cheese
    burger
    ham
    cheese
    burger
    bottom bun


    mmmmm
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by steveinaz
    ...and the Sony CE-595 is not a decent player because...

    It distorts? Nah...005% THD
    It doesn't provide the full frequency spectrum? Nah..10-20kHz
    It has alot of background hiss? Nah..107dB S/N Ratio
    It doesn't track well? Nah..Sony tranports are used in MANY high-end units

    It's not your cup of tea? Aha! There it is!

    Steve, I feel you, bro.....but if it is such a great player, why isn't everyone (and going by your sig, you as well) using one?

    As a 150 dollar player, it may be great but it's still a150 dollar player.

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,546
    edited March 2005
    Steve, you still haven't cottoned on around here. Specs are specs and do not provide the full story. You will find many other cdp's with the same specs that will smoke that player in question. Do they cost more, could be. Why? Because they use better quality parts which added up result in better quailty sound. It's very simple really. FYI, I have owned many Sony cdp over the years, they always have one trait in common, they are bright. Designed that way by Sony because of some notion they have about what sounds good. The Sony ES line uses better parts, costs more and in the end sounds better too.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by TroyD
    Steve, I feel you, bro.....but if it is such a great player, why isn't everyone (and going by your sig, you as well) using one?

    As a 150 dollar player, it may be great but it's still a150 dollar player.

    BDT

    So, keeping on subject, bbq-wise its like a McRib from McDonalds, right? A lot of people like the McRib, until they have a short end from Jack Fiorella's. But, when a high-end bbq eater talks bad about the McRib, the McRib eaters could be offended. :D
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited March 2005
    Yeah, thats what I'm saying...last I heard we were huggin man.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited March 2005
    So does BBQ have to BBQ sauce to be BBQ??
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited March 2005
    Barbecue does not require sauce, unless you have a low point of reference and have to slather your McRib to make it taste good.

    Sauce can be used to enhance the flavor, but it is not mandatory.

    I like sauce, but if the meat is reallly really good, I won't taint it with sauce. Kind of like how I want to puke if I see someone put A1 on a KC Strip.

    :D
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by PolkThug


    Sauce can be used to enhance the flavor, but it is not mandatory.

    :D

    AHHHH, I wholeheartedly concur, I consider BBQ to be food cooked over some type of open pit, a few charachters have told me this is "grilling" not BBQ.

    I have tasted the famous KC BBQ and lets just say the BBQ never had a chance!!!!

    RT1
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by BlueMDPicker
    My apologies, PT. I'm sure Mahageny smoked pork is superb!
    Shouldn't that be "Mahogeny"? :D
    More later,
    Tour...
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited March 2005
    What's really good is chicked slowly smoked with pecan wood.
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  • BlueMDPicker
    BlueMDPicker Posts: 7,569
    edited March 2005
    Originally posted by Tour2ma
    Shouldn't that be "Mahogeny"? :D
    Not in Polkflamespeak, Bruce. I guessed you missed that love fest?

    Here you go , 14th post down, south of the giant green motorcycle.
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited March 2005
    Actually I was going for a pork pun, not a spelling correction...

    Now go to your room and spin some "Ham"... (ba-da-bump)...
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
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