Good Bose article...funny reply from Ron Smith...

MSkeezer
MSkeezer Posts: 1,183
edited March 2024 in Clubhouse Archives
http://liquidtheater.com/editorial_56.html

Good article, if a a little old. The thing that got me was the reply from Ron Smith. This guy has to work for Bose. "Sorry for the word, but it's only BOSE which produces loudspeakers that are 1,000 light years ahead of present loudspeakers from different respected manufacturers...".

I don't care if they're 10,000 light years ahead of other loudspeakers, they still sound like crap...
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,728
    edited February 2005
    Think of a 901 series from BOSE and try to compare a B&W, M&K, NHT, or any speaker you may prefer on a same price to price basis, I can assure you no other speaker would ever match those 901 units when it comes to producing astonishing clean and very loud sound
    WAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    He's right, I can't think of a single speaker in the price range of the 901 that would come close to producing great sound...I can't think of another speaker off-hand in that price range that is that crappy...
  • petrym
    petrym Posts: 1,912
    edited February 2005
    1,000 light years would place them 9,460,536,207,068,016,000 meters away, or 5,878,504,662,190,319 miles if you prefer. They would be so far away that you couldn't hear them!
  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited February 2005
    Every speaker company has it's place in the audio world. We don't all share the same feelings about all of them but Bose does a good job with the market they are after.

    People love em for many good reasons.

    Dan
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited February 2005
    Originally posted by mantis

    People love em for many good reasons.



    1. Deaf
    2. Stupid
    3. Ignorant
    4. WAF

    I'm sure there are more. The 901's are ok but how long can you produce crap following one success?

    madmax
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  • Strong Bad
    Strong Bad Posts: 4,278
    edited February 2005
    Originally posted by petrym
    1,000 light years would place them 9,460,536,207,068,016,000 meters away, or 5,878,504,662,190,319 miles if you prefer. They would be so far away that you couldn't hear them!

    Thats where Bose belongs. In a galaxy far far away. Maybe send their **** to Endor where they can annoy the **** out of the Ewoks with their horrible sound!
    No excuses!
  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited February 2005
    Send them to Kashyyyk and let the Wookies stomp on 'em!
  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited February 2005
    I am very interested in hearing the "good reasons" people have for loving them.

    If you feel there are good reasons for people to love them, then you must feel there is a certain segment of the population that you would RECOMMEND them to. I'm curious to see who those people would be.

    Okay Dan. I'm all ready with my laughing suit on. I put pillows around the computer chair too in case I fall out of it.

    George Grand (of the Jersey Grands)
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,734
    edited February 2005
    Wait! Let me get my popcorn and soda, this should be good.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,776
    edited February 2005
    Bose dosnt have a place for any market.

    They might have a 'market' if they cost a 3rd of the price...

    Just because fools buy their stuff dosnt make them have a place. They have America brainwashed - plain and simple...

    Stuff competes with them for FAR less, and they are that size too, they dont have a place...

    Their a disease.
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  • tonyv1
    tonyv1 Posts: 365
    edited February 2005
    Bose markets to the ignorant and we know how big that audience is!
  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited February 2005
    Originally posted by tonyv1
    Bose markets to the ignorant and we know how big that audience is!



    the ignorant with a sh&tload of money to burn
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited February 2005
    Originally posted by George Grand
    Okay Dan. I'm all ready with my laughing suit on. I put pillows around the computer chair too in case I fall out of it.

    LMAO!!! :D

    Well I dont think Bose is that bad. I think their computer speakers sound pretty good. *crouches down into fetal position in anticipation of the impending beating*
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited February 2005
    All your comments are how you feel about Bose. All of them are fine. I don't own any bose but I see many people completely happy with them.

    High end people think Polk is exactly like Bose. You should hear the comments if you guys think your comments about Bose are good. But that doesn't mean there isn't a place for Polk in our industry.

    Bose works excellent for older people. The lifestyle systems are completely easy to use. there remote is RF and can control ones TV and cablebox. Vcr is you have one and everything is fine. One remote happy people.

    Bose has built in cd/dvd players. One box to do what people what it to do.Easy to use and fun for alot.

    Bose has very small speakers that can be placed in many different locations and sound good for the people who like them.

    Bose comes complete in the box with speaker wires. You have to buy the wall mounts or speaker stands depending on what you wanna do with the cubes.

    Bose has multiroom ability. you can add zones and have music all over the house. Again with RF remotes , no keypads are nessary.

    People wake up , in todays world it's not about audiophile sound quality , its about lifestyle and how cool is my ****. If you think most people care about high end sound your completely in the dark.Us few people who strive to have the best possible sounding systems is a dieng breed.

    Gee lets get real for a minute. SACD and DVD AUDIO are the best sounding audio that has come along in a long time. Go to Best buy , CC or anywhere you buy music and see how many things are on it. See how many people know about it, then go to the I pod section and find everyone knows what it is and wants that. Hard drive is in and high end sound quality is fading. Shame but a fact of today. Most peolple are happy listening to a Bose wave radio and think thats as good as it gets.

    Bose has earned the respect of being a houshold name. Everyone including people who aren't into audio know the name Bose. Most people think Bose is high end or the cream of what to own when buying audio for there homes. When people come into the store , they ask for Bose not Polk or B&K. Not Denon.

    Bose systems are not for everyone. But they are for alot of people. I have the easiest time explaining how to use Bose systems over using a full component system. People don't understand but they understqnd the white remote that they don't have to point anywhere.

    We as many other retailers sell tons of Bose. Why??? not because its the best sounding stuff we have , not because it's the most powerfull or any of that stuff , it's what people want.

    If you take the time to think about all audio products out there , there are many worse then Bose. There are many better as well.
    Again Personally I don't care for Bose sound quality but they do offer a solid product that is nice.

    O did I forget to mention how many car companies use Bose in there lines???? I haven't seen a Rotel amp or Krell in a car. You see Bose.

    Dan
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited February 2005
    **** ALERT!!!!!!!!

    People could love many other, much more affordable speakers and Lifestyle type systems, that outperform the Bose crap, for all the "good" reasons you just posted.

    "Bose has very small speakers that can be placed in many different locations and sound good to the people who like them."

    According to some of your reasoning, it would be okay to go out and buy a tv with a real **** picture, just because the tv automatically turns on or off when you enter or leave the room. "Hey this is neat! The image gives me a headache but oh that "Auto-On/Off feature is just so cool!"

    Who the hell hired you to represent their company?

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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited February 2005
    Hey fellas, I thought we were bashing Monster this month!!! Bose isn't scheduled again until April.
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited February 2005
    i happen to think BOSE is just absolutly..................
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,083
    edited February 2005
    High end people think Polk is exactly like Bose. You should hear the comments if you guys think your comments about Bose are good. But that doesn't mean there isn't a place for Polk in our industry

    To whom are you referring to, Dan? Are you a member of some sort of secret society? That's like inferring that the dude that changes my oil has some sort of insider access to the upper echelons of the auto industry. Get over yourself already. :rolleyes:

    All of the press that I've seen of late on Polk and it's products has been more than favorable. LSi's have gotten raves, Polk speakers have been on Stereophile's recommended component lists for quite some time.

    Some folks may turn thier noses up at Polk, and that's fine. However, that's personal bias and not an 'industry'-wide issue.

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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,083
    edited February 2005
    [/B][/QUOTE] Well I dont think Bose is that bad. I think their computer speakers sound pretty good. *crouches down into fetal position in anticipation of the impending beating* [/B][/QUOTE]

    It's not so much that Bose products sound 'bad' or 'good' so much as the obscene prices that they charge for shoddy quality items that they tout to be 'world class' or what have you.

    The fact remains that for a fraction of the cost, you can buy items that are superior in nearly any way you care to measure.

    BDT
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  • pjdami
    pjdami Posts: 1,894
    edited February 2005
    I'll agree with Dan on this one. Bose has its place in the marketplace just like everything else. Yes, their marketing scheme has most of America "brainwashed".

    All I have to do is talk to people I know. Friends, people I work with etc. They know I'm into stereos and ask my advice. I tell them to go listen to some Polks if they want to build a home theater. Next time I see them and talk to them some of them bought the Bose. I'm like "what?". "Yeah, the wife liked the way they looked better, or the small cubes in the corners are out the way, etc." Most people, unlike us are after convenience, decor, etc. and if it sounds better than a boom box or clock radio they are astonished by the sound.

    Ask commonfolk to name a speaker or a "hi-end" wire out there and most will say Bose and Monster Cable. Its all about marketing and most people don't care about the level of sound that we do.

    My friends and family think I'm insane with my gear. To each his own. I don't try to understand it; I don't twist any arms. I just give people my opinion but secretly shake my head when I hear the reasons they do the things they do.
  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited February 2005
    George,
    People could love many other, much more affordable speakers and Lifestyle type systems, that outperform the Bose crap, for all the "good" reasons you just posted.

    This could very well be true but the fact that ALL the OTHER systems aren't known to the common people who shop for BOSE they know BOSE and want that on word of mouth alone. Again shame but true as I personally don't disagree. I could build a wonder system for the amount that the Bose Lifestyle is but it would be harder to use and take up more room. Remeber how small the Bose head unit is. It's the size of a small DVD player. People love the fact they can stick it on a shelf that normal size gear will not fit.

    According to some of your reasoning, it would be okay to go out and buy a tv with a real **** picture, just because the tv automatically turns on or off when you enter or leave the room. "Hey this is neat! The image gives me a headache but oh that "Auto-On/Off feature is just so cool!"

    This is where you don't understand todays market. No one and I mean no one gives up on picture quality for coolness or WOW factors. Everyone spends there money on Video for some reason. I find it to be **** backswards but people will drop 20 grand on video and want the Bose system to go with it. I can't tell you how many Pioneer Elite 50 inch plasmas I install with a damn Bose lifestyle system. I look at it and scratch my head. The video quality is so far behond the sound quality that balance is out the damn window. I even Installed a screen and projector with a Bose system as thats what the customer wanted. As a company we tried to talk him out of it but thats what he wanted.

    Who the hell hired you to represent their company?

    No one hired me I only state what I see in the field. This is the really real world. This is what most people want. I would love to Install B&K and Polk Lsi everyday but they don't sell no where not even close to how the Bose systems sell.
    Hell Look at McDonnalds , it's probably the worse food you can put into your body , there are so many BETTER resturants to eat at but McD's serves billions and billions of people.


    Troy,
    To whom are you referring to, Dan? Are you a member of some sort of secret society? That's like inferring that the dude that changes my oil has some sort of insider access to the upper echelons of the auto industry. Get over yourself already.

    Get over what? I'm telling you guys what I expperience. This is what I see day in and day out. The people who I'm referring are the people that I met when I worked for Soundex. Everyone there who worked there laughed at me for owning polk. Even the owners turned there noises up at polk. Customers who shopped there thought Polk was CC crap. It pissed me off as you know I like Polk. This is back when the LSI series was just coming out.
    I'll tell you a very short story.
    I went to a dealer who carried Polk LSI as CC didn't. I was Impressed with the sound quality and really liked them. When I went in to work the next day I told my fellow empoyees about my experience and they said " why would you even bother with such a low end company who builds crappy speakers when you could own what we sell?". This pissed me off even more. I talked to the owner and felt is was nessary to give POLK a shot at us being a dealer for LSI and they should let the folks of POLK come down and do a demo in our store. They said they didn't want to waste there time with products like that. I felt we had plenty of customers who could use Lsi, but having B&W, Dynaudio and RBH, they felt those companies cover that market perfectly.

    Troy I met so many extreme high end people when I worked there and they all think Polk is a big fat joke. I think sometimes my decesion to Buy Lsi was because I was pissed that no one would even give them a chance. This is sad but very true. Dyanudio was rammed down my throat as the best speakers in there class. I didn't buy them as I was mad about all the trash talk about Polk which was a company I loved since I was young. My family owned Pok before I did I guess Like Bose, Polk was a house hold name in my family
    It's not so much that Bose products sound 'bad' or 'good' so much as the obscene prices that they charge for shoddy quality items that they tout to be 'world class' or what have you.
    Yes there not cheap but people pay it. They have no problem with the price at all. I can't remember the last customer who purchased a Bose system and complained about the price. They are so tickled pink to own BOSE that it's an honor to pay it. Twisted??? yeah maybe but thats what I see.

    Some folks may turn thier noses up at Polk, and that's fine. However, that's personal bias and not an 'industry'-wide issue.

    What products are? I'm thinking Monster cable is pissing off many people in the industry including myself but Bose is well respected by so many. If you ever go to a CES or CEDIA show hell even Home Entertainment, other companies don't knock what Bose does. Hell most of them would love to sell like Bose does.

    Let me be really clear here. I don't disagree that Bose can be beat for less money. I don't however bash Bose due to what they do. I respect them but don't share the intrest that there customers do. There stuff is built very good and it of high quality. I never have problems with bad units like I do with everything else we carry. Polk, Denon ,B&K, Boston Acoustics , Klipsch of the past , Yamaha etc all have more returns then Bose. I think over the least 5 1/2 years I only saw 2 Bose head units needing repair. there where more bad B&K units in the last 3 months. We outsell B&K to Bose 100 to 1.

    Dan
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited February 2005
    Dan,

    I understand todays market just fine. What I don't understand, is your seeming acceptance of the further dilution of a once great hobby and industry. It is this acceptance of mediocre performance by the general public that allows a company like Bose to put the question "How does it sound?" at the BOTTOM of the engineering and design checklist for their products.

    NASA - We have spent a trillion dollars to launch a mission to Jupiter. It appears however, that we made a few changes to the vehicle's system which will cause it to miss Jupiter by a billion or so miles. But GODDAMN it looked really cool when we launched it, so we thought the public would find their tax dollars well spent!

    George Grand (of the Jersey Grands)
  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited February 2005
    Watch out for the "Polk Police" beings we can't speak our mind nor have an adult discussion about whether a brand is good or bad anymore.

    Oh, and Bose sucks.
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited February 2005
    Thanks for the reminder Doro. I'm finished anyway I think.

    George Grand (of the Jersey Grands)
  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited February 2005
    George,
    I accept it as it is what it is. I'm not hear to save to world of bad audio. I make a living at it and find happiness when those few people out there want the better sound. I encourage people everyday to upgrade there sytems. If I had control , I would move Bose to another store and sell only what I feel is high quality stuff.

    Same with Monster cable , it's the only damn wire we carry and I don't personally like it. Not to say they make a bad product it just doesn't fit with in my system. It works however for our customers.

    Bose sells man and theres nothing we can do about it. I have no time though to sit and bash it. I really don't bash any audio or video gear anymore. I don't have time for it.

    Dan
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  • NCrewson
    NCrewson Posts: 144
    edited February 2005
    Dan,

    I happen to agree with you on this one. As a former employee in a retail store I know what you are talking about. Sure you build a better system than Bose for less money, and I switched alot of people to HK & Polk or Infinity, but there are lots of sales people who think Bose is the greatest thing. They sell it because it is easy to sell, easy for the customer to set up themselves, and there are very few complaints or returns. There are also a lot of companies that are much worse to the industry than Bose. There is a speaker company called Nuance that is widely sold in Canada at the stores that specialize in the "high mark-up then slash the price to make the customer feel like he is getting a deal" sales tactic. They sound like absolute crap, and they have list prices 3 - 5 times higher than Bose. I mean, I once owned a pair of Bose 301s. I grew up, learned a bit and sold them at a pawn shop. Most people are comparing the sound from their HT system to that from their TV. And almost anything beats that.

    Education is the key to switching peoples minds. Unfortunately, most companies don't train their employees well enough to do this. And with the high profit margins of Bose that often pay more commision than other brands, the ease of selling them, and the fact that the sales people are there to make a living this isn't likely to change anytime soon.

    That doesn't mean we should stop trying.
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited February 2005
    Mr. Crewson summed it up perfectly with his last sentence.

    ESPECIALLY if you are in fact part of the industry, interfacing with these people every day. If I was still selling audio myself, the only way a customer would make it to the checkout counter with Bose, is if I wasn't in that day. Of course there is the chip on the shoulder type like the woman described, but they are not all like that.

    I feel they are in the store looking at Bose because they DON'T know any better, and really just want SOMEONE to guide them a little.

    How about the guy who did not carry Bose. He was so sick and tired of people coming in just browsing, because they had already decided they were going to go Acoustimass. The man
    went out, bought a Acoustimass system, set it up in his store so the customers could A/B right there, and immediately saw a rise in his non-Bose sub/sat systems sales. Smart, GUTSY, man.

    George Grand (of the Jersey Grands)
  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,083
    edited February 2005
    I don't however bash Bose due to what they do

    Running the risk of incurring the wrath of the Polk Police ;) , I disagree with this statement. What they do, and I could include a certain cable company as well, is run a business that lacks integrity. It's one of the reasons that I like Polk and while I agree in principle with not bashing a certain brand, my distinction is that I have no real problem with the product (hey, buy what you want) it's the way they conduct thier business that I find objectionable.

    As far as Tweeter customers being happy with the cable that they purchase from Tweeter, pfffffffffft, what other choice do you offer them?? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


    I'm not hear to save to world of bad audio

    Since when? Your posts are a testament to 'The audio world according to Dan' You know, the whole 'I drag you to the door but can't make you buy a receiver that costs as much as used Toyota', thing?


    Same with Monster cable , it's the only damn wire we carry and I don't personally like it

    You've certainly owned and used enough of it.....must have been on the flavor of the month chart at some point.

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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,907
    edited February 2005
    No one hired me I only state what I see in the field. This is the really real world. This is what most people want.

    Yes, but it's a 'want' out of not knowing any better. In other words you're taking advantage of someones ignorance. Like has been stated, some people don't care if they have the best sounding system and want the size and convenience. But to let someone walk out of the store thinking they have the best sounding system is wrong. It sounds like someone is trying to justify in their minds the fact that it's OK to let people walk out with this stuff because it's what people want. It's exactly the same argument as with the Monster stuff. What irks me is the guy at work who has the puffy chest because he just bought a Bose home theater for his new house and thinks he's better than me. When I kind of turn my nose up he says' Whadya mean...Bose is the best. Just cause you can't afford it." I'm not going to argue with the guy and belittle his expenditure of hard earned money because that's a cheap shot on my part. But people , like salesmen that know better, keep perpetuating the myth and it stinks.
    Another guy at work listens alot with headphones because his wifes not interested. He's like "I got these really nice Bose headphones....cause I wanted the best, you know?" These people know I'm into audio and they never ask for any advice first because they think they know it all. Another guy though comes to me all the time and I've steered him in the right direction many times and clarified terms and meanings for him, and after he gains more knowledge and talks to other honest people he's always coming back to thank me. When you let this guy walk out with a Bose system and then he finds out later it's actually crap how's he supposed to feel towards you and your store then? Is he supposed to come back with his new found knowledge to you to upgrade? :rolleyes:
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,201
    edited February 2005
    NCrewson,
    nice reply and I see you understand exactly where I'm coming from.

    George,
    I understand your points but not selling Bose if your a salesman would be stupid. you need to put food on the table first then worry about your own feeling towards products such as Bose.

    Troy,

    As you feel about Monster and Bose , you need not own them yourself. It would be your way of not supporting them.
    Since when? Your posts are a testament to 'The audio world according to Dan' You know, the whole 'I drag you to the door but can't make you buy a receiver that costs as much as used Toyota', thing?

    In here Yes I try to give the best advice I can. It work I'm there to make a living at what I love. If I can save a few people along the way great but I have to make a living first. If Bose and Monster is sold , I install it, If the questions are asked if they can buy better , I make suggestions based on there room and needs. I don't play the budget game I only tell it as I see it. I'm not a salesman and have nothig to gain by selling other products. My gain is when my customer sis happy at the end of the day when there system is Installed and working the way they expect.
    You've certainly owned and used enough of it.....must have been on the flavor of the month chart at some point.

    I'm sure every single person on this forum has used Monstercable products at some point. Even you Troy I bet you have. But like you , I had to lear my way and find the products that worked for the given system I had. Then when I used Monster cable I thought my system sounded great. Tweeter ony sold Monstercable and it was right under my fingertips. I was able to shootout everything they had and figured out the way to go for my system. Once I left Tweeter and started experiencing other brands , I found faults in my Monster cables. If you remember correclty I wired my system with Transparent. I really liked what it did for me at the time. Up untill I foud my home in Kimber Kable , Transparent was my wire of choice.

    The whole flovor of the month thing is old man. This is how I learned my way and I don't think it's right for you to knock it.

    O I forgot this comment
    As far as Tweeter customers being happy with the cable that they purchase from Tweeter, pfffffffffft, what other choice do you offer them??

    It's not by my choice we only carry Monster. I have countless times expressed my feeling about bringing in different Brands like AudioQuest and Kimber. But they feel Monster is the correct cable to carry and it works for us. Not many people coming in to look at wire, our customers come in to get a Home Theater or House audio system. A new Tv and such. Cables come in at the end and they buy what they need for what system they built.

    I wish we carried anything else. Monster is fine but hey I like choices 2.

    Dan
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited February 2005
    If I was in sales today, working on commission, selling exclusively to the BMW, Hummer, $500K+ house crowd, I'd gut every one of them that walked in the door and I'd have a Joker's smile on my face while doing it. But when I WAS in stereo sales, I wasn't working on commission, the location was decidedly non-upscale, I didn't have it in me to rape anyone. That's me.

    George Grand (of the Jersey Grands)