Long Awaited Black Lab Photos!

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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited November 2004
    It has a tweeter...

    Just not your normal tweeter ;)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited November 2004
    It does not have a tweeter. It has a whizzer cone, to extend high freq response.

    Since you are running 8ohm, you can easily add an 8ohm super-tweeter, maintain absolute phase and be at 4ohm. A lot of people actually do this - but you'll need to pad it down a good amount (it will be much more efficient), and pass it REALLY high 12-15Khz - just for that touch of top end sparkle.

    I wonder how a carefully, and strategically placed 'hole' in the center of the dustcap would change the high end?

    Cheers,
    Russ
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited November 2004
    Com'on guys you can't call that a Tweeter.


    With Sid's speaker cabinet design, the 1 way speaker with a whizzer cone tweeter all high freq sounds must be worked through the cabinet.

    With a 2 way design the woofer is done this way, the tweeter is more directional so it will have better clarity and separation.

    I think Sid did a nice job with his speaker, but you took the easy way out with this one way speaker.

    Sid I do understand you did what you did, but I think you should rethink way this speaker has bad clarity and separation.

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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited November 2004
    @_@

    Holes in the dust cap...

    I thought the objectives of dust caps was to keep the dust...*out*...

    Now everywhere I go they put holes in em! :p

    It aids the high frequency, it TRIES to be a tweeter, how about that?

    As for adding a tweeter, eh... I dont want to mess with these until I can try them in a larger room, etc...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited November 2004
    Whoever said it had bad clarity? I said in some recordings (Bad ones) the seperation is terrible. This things eats up recordings...

    The Definitive BEATS it in clarity....what do you expect exactly?

    I am VERY impressed with full range speakers...I would now love to own a high end full range speaker

    and I cant wait to try these speakers on that tube integrated Russ was talkin bout!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited November 2004
    Joe, single driver speakers, done right, are the cats meow.

    You can never understand how much a crossover actually takes away from the sound, especially in the midrange - until you hear a speaker designed properly, sans nasty network.

    Until you hear it for yourself, you'll just have to take my word for it. I helped Sid embark on a very basic, fundamental speaker design that guys were building in the 60's, and still build today.

    Cheers,
    Russ
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited November 2004
    Ok Sid,

    On your next speaker design go with a Woofer / Crossover / Tweeter.

    Not just a Whizzer Cone tweet / Woofer direct wiring thing.

    Have fun Rock out dud ;)

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    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


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  • Mazeroth
    Mazeroth Posts: 1,585
    edited November 2004
    You guys really need to hear a GOOD full-range driver in a proper cabinet. It will blow your mind. I've heard a handful that would make your jaw hit the floor.

    Here's an example of a killer full-range speaker:
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited November 2004
    Crossovers...

    EWWWWWWWWW ;)

    Nah, the Black Lab has this 'SOUND' man...

    You just gotta hear it, whether you like it or not...well

    This thing LOVES acoustics, and female vocals....stellar...

    Full Range speakers are cool in my book!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited November 2004
    Originally posted by RuSsMaN
    Joe, single driver speakers, done right, are the cats meow.

    You can never understand how much a crossover actually takes away from the sound, especially in the midrange - until you hear a speaker designed properly, sans nasty network.

    Until you hear it for yourself, you'll just have to take my word for it. I helped Sid embark on a very basic, fundamental speaker design that guys were building in the 60's, and still build today.

    Cheers,
    Russ


    Russ


    Your right would have to hear that for my self, maybe to next time we meet up.

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    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited November 2004
    I tell ya whats a treat....

    These 50 cent full ranger speakers I designed! :p

    Very surprised at how they sound

    I am basically designing a full range HT system...

    I got the mains, Black Lab...

    I got the surrounds...

    I need to make a center channel....HMMM
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited November 2004
    Originally posted by Mazeroth
    You guys really need to hear a GOOD full-range driver in a proper cabinet. It will blow your mind. I've heard a handful that would make your jaw hit the floor.

    Here's an example of a killer full-range speaker:


    Ok would think maybe that would sound OK, the speaker has what a 4 / 4.5 / 5 inch speaker. A speaker this small can have a nice mid / upper sound range, and with a good cabinet design extending the lower sound range. Not bad, Sid design is a 8" speaker with doesn't extend to the upper range well.

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

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    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
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    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited November 2004
    Here was the lineup of single driver speakers at the Lone Star Bottlehead meet last weekend.

    Lowther folded pipes (literally), Fostek Voight Pipes, and Fostek Transmission lines.

    Fred has the Voight pipes up for sale (Houston) right now on Audiogon for $450, fyi.

    Cheers,
    Russ
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    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited November 2004
    THATS...

    What YOU think ;)

    Dont DISS until you hear da HISS ;)

    ^^^ Ok That was corny...

    Those speakers look awesome

    And this 8" woofer is fast, has smooth mids, detailed highs, and nice tight bass...

    punk
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited November 2004
    And this 8" woofer is fast, has smooth mids, detailed highs, and nice tight bass...


    Jury says NOT

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    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


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  • Mazeroth
    Mazeroth Posts: 1,585
    edited November 2004
    Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3

    And this 8" woofer is fast, has smooth mids, detailed highs, and nice tight bass...

    punk

    LoL! ...punk
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited November 2004
    The woofer is highly damped in Sid's enclosure, and DOES exhibit an 'in the room, live performance' midrange, and extended highs.

    The Labyrinth cabinet design loads the driver back wave into a very articulate, effortless bass response.

    Cheers,
    Russ
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited November 2004
    Originally posted by disneyjoe7
    And this 8" woofer is fast, has smooth mids, detailed highs, and nice tight bass...


    Jury says NOT

    Yeah they have pretty good bass, I just need to haul them in a room...

    that...dosnt have a 12db DIP at like 90-80hz ;)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited November 2004
    Originally posted by RuSsMaN
    Here was the lineup of single driver speakers at the Lone Star Bottlehead meet last weekend.

    Lowther folded pipes (literally), Fostek Voight Pipes, and Fostek Transmission lines.

    Fred has the Voight pipes up for sale (Houston) right now on Audiogon for $450, fyi.

    Cheers,
    Russ


    Russ,

    Looks like you have so much cool stuff to look at in life...

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited November 2004
    Ok, Sid.....

    You budding speaker designer, go market them if they are so good.

    Sid / Matt Polk junior.

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    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

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    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited November 2004
    Market them...LOL

    RIGHT, 120 dollar speaker that cant go loud, dosnt play rock music well, YEAH the general masses is REALLY gonna buy that! :rolleyes:

    Your dissing my project man, you havnt heard it...

    Your going by your 1970's, 1980's big driver theory that big drivers cant be accurate

    give me an effing BREAK
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited November 2004
    Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
    Market them...LOL

    RIGHT, 120 dollar speaker that cant go loud, dosnt play rock music well, YEAH the general masses is REALLY gonna buy that! :rolleyes:

    Your dissing my project man, you havnt heard it...

    Your going by your 1970's, 1980's big driver theory that big drivers cant be accurate

    give me an effing BREAK


    Sid,

    I trying to show / tell you why you're not completely satisfied with your project to learn something from it.


    Your Killing Me. :rolleyes:

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited November 2004
    I *never* said I was NOT satisfied with them man...

    I said they dont compare to my main speakers, which cost about 10 times as much!

    They perform incredibly well dude, seriously
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Mjr7531
    Mjr7531 Posts: 856
    edited November 2004
    Originally posted by disneyjoe7
    Ok, Sid.....

    You budding speaker designer, go market them if they are so good.

    Sid / Matt Polk junior.

    So it's bad to be a Matt Polk now?

    I hardly think so.

    Shouldn't we all be proud of him? Jeez, I mean, this kinda stuff keeps him and other youth (like me) off the streets. ;)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited November 2004
    Disney Joe been drinking Mantis's tea...

    Semi finished, I had to put ANOTHER coat on the top, it turned out funky...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited November 2004
    BLACK LABS: DONE!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited November 2004
    Man, that is one world-class build job, especially for a first timer Trey.

    I'm damn proud of you, damn proud. I mean that. Now, let's go forward on the OTHER projects, and READ, I mean until you are blue in the face READ this book I'm sending you on speaker design.

    Cheers,
    Rooster
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  • gatemplin
    gatemplin Posts: 1,595
    edited November 2004
    Man, that is one world-class build job, especially for a first timer Trey.

    I agree. Good job Sid. They turned out very well. Now enjoy them.
    Graham
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited November 2004
    Thanks guys!

    Russ, you send, me Read!!!!!!!!!!! :D Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

    Wait till yall see my jigsaw puzzle subwoofer!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited November 2004
    Here is the spraypainted caps, turned out well, all-considering
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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