Integrated vs. separates - What would you do?

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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,093
    edited July 2004
    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    Oh, and for those that MIGHT consider a smash and grab at F1's, first, you'd never find the place, two....duelling bandjoes, need I say more??

    BDT
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  • dcarlson
    dcarlson Posts: 1,740
    edited July 2004
    Originally posted by TroyD
    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    Oh, and for those that MIGHT consider a smash and grab at F1's, first, you'd never find the place, two....duelling bandjoes, need I say more??

    BDT
    I hope you're not talking from experience. :D:D
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited July 2004
    Troy looks real purty with an apple in his mouth.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,093
    edited July 2004
    All I remember is sitting in front of F1's speakers and getting whiff of chloroform.......Woke up with a headache and a sore ****. I dunno what happened.

    BDT
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited November 2004
    quick update guys: I went with Krell 400xi. Review to come after burn in. Thanks again for all the feedback.
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited November 2004
    Let us know what you think....
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  • goingganzo
    goingganzo Posts: 2,793
    edited November 2004
    my thery of the benefits of seperates.
    1 when you upgrade your pre to get new teck you can usaly get at a good price qand you dont have to replace your amp.
    2 better warentee. beter quality so they offer a better warentee.
    3 quality. i mean the adcom 7 channel amp is way more dynamic and powerfull than the onkyo internal amp and the differance is olny 25 wats.
    4. more features i have a auto on with my sunfire when i turn on a sorce it will tune to the sorce and turn everything on that i need turned on. or if i got the anthem i could tweek everything from a-z.
    5. the am dont bake the other componets becues they are in the same box as the amp.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,204
    edited November 2004
    polkatese,

    good choice. I believe you'll love it.

    Dan
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited November 2004
    Thanks, Dan. I'll report back, it is definitely a gorgeous looking silvery slim design, with plenty of high-current toroidal juice...phoeey, that's a mouthful!
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
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  • Loud & Clear
    Loud & Clear Posts: 1,538
    edited November 2004
    This theory that an integrated improves the sound by removing interconnects from the chain makes no sense to me. I mean, aren't exotic interconnect cables the reason that the equipment on the whole sounds good? Why would you want to remove the wildly expensive interconnects when they make the source, amplification and speakers so much better than they really are? I attempt to introduce as many interconnects to my system as I possibly can in hopes of making the sound better and better with each addition.

    Two Channel Setup:

    Speakers: Wharfedale Opus 2-3
    Integrated Amp: Krell S-300i
    DAC: Arcam irDac
    Source: iMac
    Remote Control: iPad Mini

    3.2 Home Theater Setup:

    Fronts: Klipsch RP-160M
    Center: Klipsch RP-160M
    Subwoofer: SVS PB12NSD (X 2)
    AVR: Yamaha Aventage RX-A2030
    Blu Ray: Sony BDP-S790
    TV Source: DirecTV Genie
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  • dcarlson
    dcarlson Posts: 1,740
    edited November 2004
    If you can afford separates at the level of Polkatese's new integrated, you'd better well be able to afford the interconnect to match. That could potentially be pricy. That's the difference, not that an integrated is better.
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  • sowen010599
    sowen010599 Posts: 343
    edited November 2004
    Ahhh Krell. Good high end stuff. My only critiquie with them is, they are sooooo soooo neutral. I mean "dead" neutral. They are so ridiculously laid back. Just kinda blah, too lifeless for me. Pair up a Krell amp and some B&K's and you have yourself a system fit for the catatonic ward at the state hospital.
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited November 2004
    Originally posted by Loud & Clear
    This theory that an integrated improves the sound by removing interconnects from the chain makes no sense to me. I mean, aren't exotic interconnect cables the reason that the equipment on the whole sounds good? Why would you want to remove the wildly expensive interconnects when they make the source, amplification and speakers so much better than they really are? I attempt to introduce as many interconnects to my system as I possibly can in hopes of making the sound better and better with each addition.

    The idea I got was that the better the interconnect, the less your sound is degraded. I thought that your components made the sound good, and the better your interconnects, the less they took away from that.

    However, I'm running a meager system and have never used any interconnects besides what has come with my stuff, so take what I say with a grain of salt......or a salt-shaker...:p
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    Wonder WTF happened to the rest of my money.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,762
    edited November 2004
    You can't rely on IC's to improve what's not there. They can not make the gear better than it actually is.

    Some separates are better than most integrateds and there are some integrateds that are better than most separates. It's the basic quality of the gear that matters most.

    Polkatese.....Congrats on a fine piece of gear.
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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited November 2004
    Sowen,

    so far the Krell is actually a bit more aggressive than my B&K. It is powerful in driving LSi9 (that I have it paired with) though, the low end is tighter and a tad more powerful than a Rotel. I've been told that burn in on the Krell to be in the 100 hours+, so I am reserving my judgement till then.

    Jesse, thanks! I am impressed with its build quality and it looks solid.


    Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
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