Anyone ever tear a bicep muscle at the elbow area?

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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 13,078
    Wishing you a full and complete recovery from your injury.
  • Geoff4rfc
    Geoff4rfc Posts: 2,805
    mantis wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    mantis wrote: »
    I'm not sure how anyone gets through this. It's extremely tuff and mentally harder

    Dude, many wish for problems such as yours. Life hasn't begone to kick your arse yet, challenge you mentally/physically. Toughen up my man, the ride is just starting.

    So having long covid , terrible covid anxiety and a torn bicep isn't enough? I don't wish this crap on anyone

    Yeah man, you're going through it for sure however it reminds me of a scripture I use to share with folks....Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death......You are definitely in the valley, but you are "walking through" it. You'll be on the other side of it before you know it. Just know you won't be staying in it.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,310
    Geoff4rfc wrote: »
    mantis wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    mantis wrote: »
    I'm not sure how anyone gets through this. It's extremely tuff and mentally harder

    Dude, many wish for problems such as yours. Life hasn't begone to kick your arse yet, challenge you mentally/physically. Toughen up my man, the ride is just starting.

    So having long covid , terrible covid anxiety and a torn bicep isn't enough? I don't wish this crap on anyone

    Yeah man, you're going through it for sure however it reminds me of a scripture I use to share with folks....Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death......You are definitely in the valley, but you are "walking through" it. You'll be on the other side of it before you know it. Just know you won't be staying in it.

    I have to tell myself that every single day.
    Dan
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,310
    Just a quick update, I'm getting better but it's as slow as anyone could ever imagine. I can sleep in my bed now, so I'm off the recliner which is OK at best to sleep in. Over time it works on you mentally.
    I'm gonna miss Spring time track days which by now I would have gone at least once if not twice.
    I have been to one car show so that's cool.
    Dan
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  • smglbrth
    smglbrth Posts: 1,495
    When you're on your back everything looks up, keep on keeping on...
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,310
    It's a really tuff road. I didn't realize how much of my life would be on hold. Really just about everything is. I have plenty of projects around the house I would like to do but I can't do them 1 handed.

    I want to do things to my car other then just wash it, which is a chore 1 handed but I can do it but again I need both hands. I like to remove all my wheels , put my other pair on and do a deep clean on them and put a new coating of ceramic on them. I coated them over a year ago, the coating is still holding up very well but I have a new coating that binds with existing coating called STAK which I used on my car last year and it's amazing. I want to coat my wheels but can't get wheels off the car 1 handed.

    Even my business , I'm super limited to what I can do, I program , setup networks and sell jobs but other than that, I can't install. We are very busy right now I want nothing more than to be in the field getting stuff done and this really is holding me back.

    I'm into my 11th week and after 12 weeks I can start strength training the bicep. I'm very excited for that as my arm shoulder and wrist are all getting better slowly but surely.
    Dan
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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,566
    edited May 9
    I'm glad you're at a point to START to get your life back.

    I went through a similar life-altering event with a broken heel bone. I LOVED the day when the doctor took a pin out of my heel and I could START to put pressure back on my foot. It was so frozen in position from non-use but little by little...movement was achieved front to back. The sideways motion took years to loosen up again and I never have really gotten back to being able to walk along a roofline like I used to be able to.

    Oh, I've had 3 frozen shoulders over the years and they are probably like like your bicep tear. Nonusability and pain off and on as a mother 24 -7 for months. Sleep was rare with the shoulder events.

    The heel recovery was pain-med sedated for a couple of months and then after the pin came out, the meds were stopped and the stretching began. But I saw fast improvement every day and went back to work after 90 days with light duty.

    I also remember the weeks of NOT being able to do what I normally would've been doing. It SUCKS!

    I wish you pain-free strength-building sessions now. 11 weeks has been a LONG time to not have mobility and good restful night sleeps. One stage behind you in a few days and I hope you regain all your strength back asap.
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  • skipshot12
    skipshot12 Posts: 1,769
    Thinking of what you’re saying about the difficulty in trying to do something with one hand…… thinking back on my hamstring detaching, I’d rather have that than what you’re dealing with.

    Odd how you don’t get something until something triggers something….
  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,310
    Tony M wrote: »
    I'm glad you're at a point to START to get your life back.

    I went through a similar life-altering event with a broken heel bone. I LOVED the day when the doctor took a pin out of my heel and I could START to put pressure back on my foot. It was so frozen in position from non-use but little by little...movement was achieved front to back. The sideways motion took years to loosen up again and I never have really gotten back to being able to walk along a roofline like I used to be able to.

    Oh, I've had 3 frozen shoulders over the years and they are probably like like your bicep tear. Nonusability and pain off and on as a mother 24 -7 for months. Sleep was rare with the shoulder events.

    The heel recovery was pain-med sedated for a couple of months and then after the pin came out, the meds were stopped and the stretching began. But I saw fast improvement every day and went back to work after 90 days with light duty.

    I also remember the weeks of NOT being able to do what I normally would've been doing. It SUCKS!

    I wish you pain-free strength-building sessions now. 11 weeks has been a LONG time to not have mobility and good restful night sleeps. One stage behind you in a few days and I hope you regain all your strength back asap.

    Man, sorry to hear all of that. As you know I can relate . A frozen shoulder is so damn tuff. Did you go to PT? I find that to be much more important than my doctor visits.

    With my bicep, my should is trashed. It's so stiff and like you mentioned , the pain I can get in my shoulder when I try to do things is insane. It's a 10 out of 10 pain level and almost makes you want to pass out. My PT Therapist is working on mobility and has been slowly stretching it out so it's getting better. It's so slow man , that alone can drive you insane.

    I'm going on 11 weeks now and that is like an eternity. Yeah I have not had a goo nights sleep the entire time. I get 4 hours here , 2 hours there etc but never a solid 8 hours. I have slept 6 hours a few times and man what a difference that makes. Sleeping is so important and how you feel. Just 1 hour less wrecks your day. I am however excited to hit 12 weeks as we are going to start loading on the bicep. Little by little I'm hoping to get all my strength back.



    Dan
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,310
    skipshot12 wrote: »
    Thinking of what you’re saying about the difficulty in trying to do something with one hand…… thinking back on my hamstring detaching, I’d rather have that than what you’re dealing with.

    Odd how you don’t get something until something triggers something….

    I have pulled a hamstring and that sucks to. Nothing like the Bicep tear , not even in the same world BUT the hamstring still sucks as it makes walking bending down moving a certain way even sleeping is effected. I studied Kung and that's where I pulled mine many years ago. I was much younger and remember springing back in a few weeks. It's more annoying than anything. This however tests your patience to the end of time. It's so frustrating and hard.
    Dan
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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,566
    The first frozen shoulder I had, I had GREAT insurance and went the whole medical package route. But it was mostly BS. A lot of BS. A lot of scenarios and incompetence at almost every visit was mindblowing to me.

    I should've sued but I don't do that...as of yet. I don't want crazed lunatics coming and shooting up my house and us because I sued them and ruined their lives forever.

    I did get some GREAT PT sessions after the "Manipulation" surgery from a few girls/young ladies in their PT wing of the facility. Maybe 20 visits. One visit...I kept my composure but the pain this one PT girl wanted me to go through on a weight machine was too much. I sat there and slumped with agony set in. She came over and asked why I stopped. I said the pain was too much. She then said she didn't understand she said I had done that exercise before without issue.

    I hadn't done that stretching exercise before and I told her so.

    She then said, don't be a wuss and get back to stretching with that exercise. That's when I stood up, got right up in her face, and scared the sh^% out of her. I think the whole facility looked at us. I then went to the front desk and told them I was done for the day and don't ever put that one girl with me ever again. The Doctor later on a week later or so asked about it. I told him but I didn't say which girl said the BS. I didn't want her fired and then find me later at home and ill us both for ruining her career in the PT field.

    I learned Frozen Shoulders last a year or 1 1/2 years from start to cure. For the next two episodes, I was retired and just did as little as possible. I might've had neck pain medicine to take during those 2 later times so I just didn't get the "Manipulation" surgeries and saved money since my new insurance wasn't anywhere close to what I had for the first one.

    I think the 2nd and 3rd lasted one year each. The first lasted 1 1/2 years I think. It was REALLY bad. :s

    One day, I would wake up and go about my day and then later on think wow, there are no restrictions anymore. It happened with all 3. :p

    My right shoulder has been sore for a while now but so far, thank God, nothing is freezing up again.

    I think my soreness started a few months ago trying to cut down an Oak tree behind my house by myself. Then also a month ago carrying those B&W CM10s.

    I've done a lot of yard work the past few weeks too. Keeping the blood flowing it's said, is good for older people.

    My shoulders froze up pretty much on their own. No one incident caused them. :#




    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.

    “Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.”
    --Mark Twain.

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  • skipshot12
    skipshot12 Posts: 1,769
    Does the frozen shoulder go away on it’s own without having surgery or PT?
  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,566
    Yes.
    But to wait it out at home, one should try to move it once in a while. Heating pad and ice packs are a daily need and feel great.

    Medical name: Adhesive Capsulitis. It's a strange painful rare occurrence. Mostly, the elderly get it. I think I was 49 or older the first time.

    I reached for canned beans in the store once and almost cried due to the jolt of pain that happened. Jolts of pain happen a lot. It feels like a hot poker stabbing you INSIDE the shoulder joint. Burning pain for a second or three. :s I thought I had the ability to reach further that day but NO, it wasn't ready to give up its hold over me.



    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.

    “Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.”
    --Mark Twain.

    “If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving definitely isn't for you.” - Steven Wright
  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,310
    Tony M wrote: »
    The first frozen shoulder I had, I had GREAT insurance and went the whole medical package route. But it was mostly BS. A lot of BS. A lot of scenarios and incompetence at almost every visit was mindblowing to me.

    I should've sued but I don't do that...as of yet. I don't want crazed lunatics coming and shooting up my house and us because I sued them and ruined their lives forever.

    I did get some GREAT PT sessions after the "Manipulation" surgery from a few girls/young ladies in their PT wing of the facility. Maybe 20 visits. One visit...I kept my composure but the pain this one PT girl wanted me to go through on a weight machine was too much. I sat there and slumped with agony set in. She came over and asked why I stopped. I said the pain was too much. She then said she didn't understand she said I had done that exercise before without issue.

    I hadn't done that stretching exercise before and I told her so.

    She then said, don't be a wuss and get back to stretching with that exercise. That's when I stood up, got right up in her face, and scared the sh^% out of her. I think the whole facility looked at us. I then went to the front desk and told them I was done for the day and don't ever put that one girl with me ever again. The Doctor later on a week later or so asked about it. I told him but I didn't say which girl said the BS. I didn't want her fired and then find me later at home and ill us both for ruining her career in the PT field.

    I learned Frozen Shoulders last a year or 1 1/2 years from start to cure. For the next two episodes, I was retired and just did as little as possible. I might've had neck pain medicine to take during those 2 later times so I just didn't get the "Manipulation" surgeries and saved money since my new insurance wasn't anywhere close to what I had for the first one.

    I think the 2nd and 3rd lasted one year each. The first lasted 1 1/2 years I think. It was REALLY bad. :s

    One day, I would wake up and go about my day and then later on think wow, there are no restrictions anymore. It happened with all 3. :p

    My right shoulder has been sore for a while now but so far, thank God, nothing is freezing up again.

    I think my soreness started a few months ago trying to cut down an Oak tree behind my house by myself. Then also a month ago carrying those B&W CM10s.

    I've done a lot of yard work the past few weeks too. Keeping the blood flowing it's said, is good for older people.

    My shoulders froze up pretty much on their own. No one incident caused them. :#




    Man Tony, sucks you have a 1/2 bad experience with PT. My Trainer, I only have 1 takes his time, makes sure I'm good and doesn't push me past my limitations. But what he does do is work on my issues and everytime I leave PT, I feel better than when I arrived.

    I can see the Shoulder taking a very time to heal and get back to fully mobil. Mine will hurt very badly in certain areas if I move my arm a certain way. It can get me out of bed in the middle of the night and I have to go sit on the couch to calm down, it hurts that bad.
    Dan
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  • aprazer402
    aprazer402 Posts: 3,351
    edited May 11
    I sympathize with all of you.

    Last spring I had tennis elbow which resolved on it's own with a couple of Velcro bands just below the elbow and on my wrist.

    Later mid-year I began having shoulder pain, just like TonyM described. X-ray showed no joint structure problems. I've gone to PT since late Oct. every two weeks for stretching and weigh lifting.
    Pain has diminished 90%. But still not back to 100%. Range of motion especially when I reach my arm behind my waist or overhead and then back and lowered behind my head holding a light pole in both hands - Ouch!

    PT says is a type of adhesion of muscles, ligaments on shoulder ball joint and blade. Another cause is something called "mouse shoulder". I was using my computer a lot last winter and spring (2024). Holding forearm in one position unsupported causes the muscles on shoulder blade to react in spasm because of gravity always pulling down.

    I have a list of exercises and elastic bands to stretch with at home.

    Good luck to everyone.
  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,310
    aprazer402 wrote: »
    I sympathize with all of you.

    Last spring I had tennis elbow which resolved on it's own with a couple of Velcro bands just below the elbow and on my wrist.

    Later mid-year I began having shoulder pain, just like TonyM described. X-ray showed no joint structure problems. I've gone to PT since late Oct. every two weeks for stretching and weigh lifting.
    Pain has diminished 90%. But still not back to 100%. Range of motion especially when I reach my arm behind my waist or overhead and then back and lowered behind my head holding a light pole in both hands - Ouch!

    PT says is a type of adhesion of muscles, ligaments on shoulder ball joint and blade. Another cause is something called "mouse shoulder". I was using my computer a lot last winter and spring (2024). Holding forearm in one position unsupported causes the muscles on shoulder blade to react in spasm because of gravity always pulling down.

    I have a list of exercises and elastic bands to stretch with at home.

    Good luck to everyone.

    It's amazing how complicated shoulders are. My shoulder hurt as much and sometimes more then my arm does due to the fact it was in the sling for so long.

    My PT guy is excellent , I have all the bands and shoulder pulley setup at home to. I use them every single day as I plan on making a 100% comeback. It's tuff and the gains are so small each day it can kick you down from time to time. But I keep my chin up and work for what I need.

    How is your shoulder now?
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
  • aprazer402
    aprazer402 Posts: 3,351
    edited May 12
    About 90% pain free. I golf tonight. No pain at all when I golf.

    I'm sore after the PT stretches my shoulder in ways I can't.

    Hoping for full recovery but it's been a year. I could live with it
    the way it is now, if necessary.

    Doing much more physical work outside in the yard helps.

    The 3-4" wide elastic black band held under my foot then up over shoulder helps keep shoulder down when doing dumbbell raises to the front and out to the side. Tricep rope and Lat pulldowns help too.
    Lots of stretching exercises too.

    Edit: It's my right shoulder giving me the problem now. About 10 years ago I had "frozen shoulder" in my left shoulder, that 100% resolved on it's own just using a rope/pulley at home with no outside PT.
  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,310
    mantis wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    mantis wrote: »
    I'm not sure how anyone gets through this. It's extremely tuff and mentally harder

    Dude, many wish for problems such as yours. Life hasn't begone to kick your arse yet, challenge you mentally/physically. Toughen up my man, the ride is just starting.

    So having long covid , terrible covid anxiety and a torn bicep isn't enough? I don't wish this crap on anyone

    Not dissin your issues one bit but I'll also gladly trade with you for my current health issues. Without going into details it involves the c word and more.
    But I also won't trade my issues with a young fellow from the town I grew up in. Sadly he had both legs amputated above the knees from a tree cutting accident last fall. Then recently he lost his home as he has no income and totaled his truck. Like he said online; no legs, no home, no job and now no truck.
    One doesn't have to look too far to see people in far worse situations than their own.

    We all have what has been dealt to us to deal with, all of it sucks no matter how little or how extreme. My wife is dealing with Auto immune issues and I would never compare my issues with her's to say mine are worse .

    When you live your life pretty healthy and you get hit with Covid , knee injury , rib injury and then a bicep tear in a matter of 5 years, it's pretty traumatizing. When you get hit with anything that upsets your normal way of life just really sucks.

    I feel bad for anyone who has to go through any kind of life changing issues as what I have been going through I don't wish on anyone.
    Dan
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