New Marantz Reference gear
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nooshinjohn wrote: »Marantz and Bowers are owned by the very same folks that know not what to do with Polk…
Unfortunately I think the owners did figure out what to do with Polk but that is to re-focus on providing good value speakers to the lower/middle end of the home theater side of the retail market with sales mostly online. Their meat and potatoes stuff like Polk's execs had to decide to do in the mid-1990s to keep the company alive. Still a good classic brand name though that works well with Denon/Marantz AV gear. Given its amp design I don't think that Model 10 would work with L800s. -
15K is a lot, especially for Class D amplification but for a no fuss single box solution I bet it ticks a lot of boxes for a lot of people. Many folks don’t want to go separates and while you can buy more with less, convenience means something.
I personally love Marantz’s “house sound” and I feel like Marantz is easy to use with picky speakers.
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Betcha the Apollon NCX 500ST ( Hypex class D, 380w 8ohm ) sounds just as good , if not better for literally 1/10 the price at $1400 ….
BkPS Audio S300 , WiiM Ultra , Yamaha wxc-50 , Salk SuperCharged Songtowers , Kimber Kable 4TC, Sony 48” - BEDROOM
B&K EX-442 ( it will go in my casket when I die ... ) , PS Audio 4.6 preamp ( old school , but it still jams on ... ) , Eversolo DMP-A6 , Boston Acoustic voyager 7’s - POOL
Parasound A21, Eversolo DMP-A8 , Kimber Kable 4vs , Ascend Acoustics ELX Ribbon Towers , Sony XBR-A8F 65” OLED - DEN , MAIN system
Onkyo TX-nr609 , Polk atrium 7 , Boston acoustic sound ware (4) , Boston acoustic sub , B&W center , Sony 65” TV - PATIO -
Betcha the Apollon NCX 500ST ( Hypex class D, 380w 8ohm ) sounds just as good , if not better for literally 1/10 the price at $1400 ….
Bk
You seem to have the mistaken belief that the only thing affecting the sonic signature of a class D amp is the amp module.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Have I irritated you somehow , as you seem to only be argumentative towards my thoughts on this matter rather than anyone else’s ?
Referring to both of your responses to me , I don’t know how you have deduced what you think my beliefs are based on what I’ve said - as my responses were rather generic and non-specific as my thoughts are that this class D amp probably doesn’t offer a $13,600 sonic premium over many other less costly class D amps that are properly designed and executed . And , if you look at my sig , I’m not exactly a neophyte.
Please take a few moments and educate me on what makes this class D amp’s sonic signature special to justify a $15,000 price tag - just it’s sonic signature, not it’s looks , inputs , weight , name or anything else - because that’s what I’m talking about - it’s sonic signature.
If it was class A , or A/B I’d be more receptive as class D amp modules are relatively inexpensive and “commodity” priced vs class A , A/B amplification.
Bk
Post edited by gyosa onPS Audio S300 , WiiM Ultra , Yamaha wxc-50 , Salk SuperCharged Songtowers , Kimber Kable 4TC, Sony 48” - BEDROOM
B&K EX-442 ( it will go in my casket when I die ... ) , PS Audio 4.6 preamp ( old school , but it still jams on ... ) , Eversolo DMP-A6 , Boston Acoustic voyager 7’s - POOL
Parasound A21, Eversolo DMP-A8 , Kimber Kable 4vs , Ascend Acoustics ELX Ribbon Towers , Sony XBR-A8F 65” OLED - DEN , MAIN system
Onkyo TX-nr609 , Polk atrium 7 , Boston acoustic sound ware (4) , Boston acoustic sub , B&W center , Sony 65” TV - PATIO -
Betcha the Apollon NCX 500ST ( Hypex class D, 380w 8ohm ) sounds just as good , if not better for literally 1/10 the price at $1400 ….
Bk
Have you heard either of them?The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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The Apollon , yes. It will drive any speaker you throw at it with gobs and gobs of power and nil distortion at $1400…. And yes , it sounds good. Great actually. It is a “properly executed “ class D design.
The Marantz , obviously no. It’s brand new.
Have you ?
I can tell you this , I’ve owned my ex-442 for 30+ years (recently serviced), the A21 for several , as well as the S300 (class D) , and there is no way I could say one is “better” than the other when mixed in any possible combination with any of my equipment- I’ve tried all combinations- and my gear doesn’t exactly “suck”.
One may sound a tad “different” than the other , not better - it’s subjective.
Even the 25w integrated Dayens Ampino , that was karma’d to me , drove my Polk 1c’s and Salk’s with ease to moderate levels and sounded fantastic - with no complaints regarding its sound quality.
I can also say this , having owned many nice to upper end AVR’s over 40+ years - they suck. They all suck. Their only place , for me , would be as a compromise in a home theater set up . I would never , ever use one for a serious 2ch setup .
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Post edited by gyosa onPS Audio S300 , WiiM Ultra , Yamaha wxc-50 , Salk SuperCharged Songtowers , Kimber Kable 4TC, Sony 48” - BEDROOM
B&K EX-442 ( it will go in my casket when I die ... ) , PS Audio 4.6 preamp ( old school , but it still jams on ... ) , Eversolo DMP-A6 , Boston Acoustic voyager 7’s - POOL
Parasound A21, Eversolo DMP-A8 , Kimber Kable 4vs , Ascend Acoustics ELX Ribbon Towers , Sony XBR-A8F 65” OLED - DEN , MAIN system
Onkyo TX-nr609 , Polk atrium 7 , Boston acoustic sound ware (4) , Boston acoustic sub , B&W center , Sony 65” TV - PATIO -
@gyosa some bold statements and generalities you make. Why not listen before passing judgement?2 Channel Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II, 2 REL Carbon Limited, Norma Revo IPA-140B, Lumin U2 Mini, VPI Prime w/SoundSmith Zephyr MIMC, Modwright PH 150, Denon DP-59l w/Denon DL-301MKII, WAY Silver 3 Ana+ Speaker Cables, WAY Silver 4+ Interconnect Cables, AudioQuest Niagara 7000 w/Dragon and Hurricane Power Cables
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Listen ?
Sure , ok . Given the opportunity I will.
I was merely stating I doubt at $15k it offers a sonic value to justify its price relative to less costly class D amplification. That’s all . What’s bold about that ?
It appears that others have reservations as well.
Moot point , it’s not an object of purchase consideration for me.
Bk@gyosa some bold statements and generalities you make. Why not listen before passing judgement?
Post edited by gyosa onPS Audio S300 , WiiM Ultra , Yamaha wxc-50 , Salk SuperCharged Songtowers , Kimber Kable 4TC, Sony 48” - BEDROOM
B&K EX-442 ( it will go in my casket when I die ... ) , PS Audio 4.6 preamp ( old school , but it still jams on ... ) , Eversolo DMP-A6 , Boston Acoustic voyager 7’s - POOL
Parasound A21, Eversolo DMP-A8 , Kimber Kable 4vs , Ascend Acoustics ELX Ribbon Towers , Sony XBR-A8F 65” OLED - DEN , MAIN system
Onkyo TX-nr609 , Polk atrium 7 , Boston acoustic sound ware (4) , Boston acoustic sub , B&W center , Sony 65” TV - PATIO -
That only addresses one item within your response(s). Enjoy what you got…2 Channel Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II, 2 REL Carbon Limited, Norma Revo IPA-140B, Lumin U2 Mini, VPI Prime w/SoundSmith Zephyr MIMC, Modwright PH 150, Denon DP-59l w/Denon DL-301MKII, WAY Silver 3 Ana+ Speaker Cables, WAY Silver 4+ Interconnect Cables, AudioQuest Niagara 7000 w/Dragon and Hurricane Power Cables
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Betcha the Apollon NCX 500ST ( Hypex class D, 380w 8ohm ) sounds just as good , if not better for literally 1/10 the price at $1400 ….
Bk
I might tend to agree, but that Apollon isn't an integrated. Clearly you would need to add a decently high end preamp that would at least double the cost. Clearly that is still a fraction of the Marantz.
This new Marantz is probably a fine sounding unit. They have never been a value leader. Worth $15k? Not for me. Value oriented buyers would always find an alternative, but they probably will sell all that are produced.
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I'm interested. At $15K I'm not a buyer. But I'd love to hear it.Analog: MoFi MasterTracker > MoFi UltraDeck > Sutherland 20/20
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I'd be curious what a diy version would cost.Don't take experimental gene therapies from known eugenicists.
