Car Audio Receiver

exalted512

number, just because the guy recommended sony at all, you can pretty much take any of his advice with a grain of salt
its not just me...if you go to any forum...
caraudiotalk.com
caraudioforum.com
the12volt.com
theres countless others...
everyone will tell you sony is crap...
EVERYONE
as far as bass goes, no matter what, youre not going to get much bass from a full range speaker
just doesnt happen
for your budget, go with the DB series, theyre AWESOME speakers for the price...i like them a lot
definetely a great budget speaker
i dont like infinity, they are harsh to my tastes...and the brand has had reliability issues...my momo's have reliability issues too though...
your best bet is to go to circuit city and listen to the DB series and listen to the infinity's that are in the same price range, if you like the infinity's better, then by all means, grab them
-Cody

exalted512

your speakers are either 5.25 or 6.5, there are no 5.5" speakers to my knowledge
and yes, those are great speakers, best of all, they dont really have to have an amp, running them off the head unit would be fine unless you really like to turn up the volume
-Cody

audiobliss

That's awesome!! No amp?!?! That means I could wait to get one 'til I actually could afford one; that's a novel idea!!
So, that'd take $300 to fill out my Jeep, right? That's not too bad for Polk speakers, is it? Might be even less if I could manage to buy online; I think I have Mom persuaded.

I'm pretty sure they'd make enough bass for me; at least 'till I hear my friend's sub. The stock speakers almost put out enough for me. I like to have more than necessary, but I'm not crazy about it.

Could I put in the MMC525's out back and the db525 up front? Crutchfield doesn't list the MMC as being a 'fit' for the front of my Jeep; could I mix 'em like that? Or, would I be satisfied with just db's? I guess I'd really like the best one's up front, so I'd really rather have the MMC's up front and the db's out back.

One thought: do I really need rear speakers? I mean, it's a 2-door Cherokee. If I just get front speakers and then a sub for the back; how would that be? Should I get four speakers? Just a thought.

Keep all the info comin'!!

exalted512

no you dont need rear speakers...i saw this jeep thats pretty much exactly like yours on a cardomain site and they were able to get larger speakers in the doors...i will try my best to find it for you...but that might not be until like thursday:(
if i can find it, the only time ill have is tonite, and im not sure if ill have the time...but ill def. look for you
-Cody

audiobliss

Well, I certainly appreciate your and everybody's willingness to help so much. However, don't go to too much trouble for me; I'm sure I won't get speakers for a few months; maybe even not 'til Christmas. I'm just going to try to get an HU right now. I have to save up money before I can go full fledge. I also have to buy some shocks for it, so it'll be a while for the speakers. Take your time on the pic, Cody.

Thanks!!

exalted512

ok...that makes it easier...i know i found it on a forum somewhere...wasnt this one, probably wasnt the full size chevy forum either because its a jeep...im thinking it was car audio talk...if it was on car audio forum its probably lost forever...lol
-Cody

audiobliss

I just had an idea: if I'm only going to have to buy speakers for the front, I might could afford a component system if I could find a place for the tweeters. What do y'all think about that? Though, what would I do with the hole for it when I sold the Jeep and ripped out the speakers? What about the Q-form door panels? Anybody here use those? How much are they? Anyhoo, I'm just thinking of different ideas...

Thanks.

MacLeod

Rear speakers are only important if you are going to run a 5.1 digital surround system or are concerned that your rear passengers have good sound too. Otherwise, the sound in the front seats will be a lot better without rear speakers.

If you have the same frequencies coming at you from 4 different distances then it will smear the detail. It wont suck by any means, dont get me wrong, but the best sound quality will be achieved with only a front stage.

audiobliss

Wait a minute here!! Are those system prices for each CORNER?!?! Like the db6500 for $240....is that for one corner?!?! Ouch!! I can't afford that!

MacLeod

No, those prices are for a PAIR of speakers. $240 will get you two coaxial speakers.

audiobliss

Would that be 2 woofers and 2 tweeters? Or a woofer and a tweeter?

unrealii

Nah, its a pair of a set of speakers. Like the DB6500 will be 2 tweeters, 2 midranges, and 2 crossovers.

audiobliss

Thanks, unrealii; that makes a lot more sense. Maybe I can afford that. Would any of you recomend one of those sets over the db525 or MMC525?

exalted512

yeah, the db components are better than coaxials...q-forms are kind of expensive...check em out on sounddomain though, maybe you can find em on ebay...
-Cody

audiobliss

What exaclty are coaxils? I've seen that term a lot but have no clue what it means.

exalted512

coaxials are the speakers that have the tweeter in the center of the mid(the 6.5') speaker
the db525 and momoc525 are coaxials
-Cody

audiobliss

Well, if I went with coaxials, I wouldn't be giving up too much performance, would I? 'Cause I dont' have enough room for a 6"+ speaker; then, I don't have anywhere for the tweeter, either. I mean, I'd be gaining a lot over the stock speakers, too.

Speaking of which, I just turned up my sys. a minute ago. It wasn't hard to find the limit: just about where I wanted it.

Thanks.

exalted512

theres a big difference b/t coaxials and components, but either way, its going to be an improvement
you can get coaxials for the front, then when you have more money, move the front ones to the back and get components to put in the front
-Cody

audiobliss

That's a good idea. How much would it cost to have installation folks make a place for the tweeters? And, how much would be involved with that? I really would like the nicer system, but I don't know how it'd work out. I have no clue just how much it'd cost to have mounts and that stuff fabricated.

Thanks.

exalted512

as far as the tweets go, all you need is a hole big enough for wires...so it wont be that noticeable
-Cody

AustinKP

Speaking of coaxials, I'm thinking of selling mine. I have a brand new pair of dB650's in my car that I've only used a couple months. Once I put my amp in, I didn't even use them, I just turned them completely off. I still have the original box, manuals, and completely unused grills for them. Where would be the best place to sell them?

audiobliss

I was playing around looking at subs and I ran across this Polk sub from www.sounddomain.com. It sounds like a steal at $180!!
Awesome Lookin' Sub.

Just curious, how many of you have ported sub enclosures and how many of you prefer sealed enclosures?

audiobliss

I'm playing with picking out my dream system and right now I'm trying to find an amp for the polk sub in the post above. I've decided thus far that I really like HiFonics and definitely don't want an MTX amp because of distortion. The polk sub is 4 ohm and handles 500-100 watts, so I was figuring that since it is in a sealed enclosure, I'd want at least 500 watts; maybe even like 600 or so. However, I'm having a hard time finding something that powerful. How about this one? HiFonics BX 1000D

Also, what do y'all think about the Polk amps? They sure do appear to be expensive and have a lot of distortion.

Thanks.

Edit: Oops. Wrong Amp. Try this link.
HiFonics BX1500D

AustinKP

Originally posted by audiobliss
I'm playing with picking out my dream system and right now I'm trying to find an amp for the polk sub in the post above. I've decided thus far that I really like HiFonics and definitely don't want an MTX amp because of distortion.[...]Also, what do y'all think about the Polk amps? They sure do appear to be expensive and have a lot of distortion.

Among all the amps you listed (including MTX), you WILL NOT hear one bit of distortion, as long as you are playing your music within the capabilities of the amp. In the bass range, nobody can hear distortion <1%. Heck, most people can't even hear 3-4% distortion from a subwoofer. Disqualifying MTX from your search simply because of like .02% more distortion is silly. Pick your amp based on power ratings, build quality, components used, price, looks (if you care), etc. Distortion differences within a few hundredths of a percent are negligible.

[edit] Polk amps seems to be excellent from what I've heard. If you can find one for a decent price, the C300.2 would be a good match. It bridges to 600Wx1, which is just more than you need for one MM12.

audiobliss

For some reason I haven't really latched onto MTX amps; I really like the looks and the specs on the HiFonics amps. Plus, everybody here seems to recommend them.

I really don't want to pay as much as a component system costs, so I'm really thinking I'm going to go with MMC525 or MMC650. I'm also thinking about getting some Q-Logic kick panels for the front. Couldn't I get those and just put a coaxial in it and put nothing where there's supposed to be a tweeter? Would there just be hole there? Then later, maybe, I could get the MM6 or something and move the coaxials to the back. However, I really do NOT like the grill on the MM6; that's a bummer 'cuase the db650/675 have really nice lookin' grills.

That leads to another question: If I get the kick panels, I've read that they come with grill covers. Could I use the Polk grills instead? Or are the grills built-in into the kick panels?

I'm really curious; just why are the component systems so much better than the coaxials? Does Polk do a better job on them? Is it inherent in the design?

Thanks for all y'all's input; it's helping me pull together what I want a lot!!!

audiobliss

Another question. I've noticed that the db650 will go to 40Hz whereas the MMC650 will only go to 43Hz. Why is there a difference there? I would have thought that the obviously better material for the mid in the Polk/Momo would be stiffer and lighter and thus allow for lower frequency resoponse. Maybe it just renders tighter, clearer, and more accurate bass response.....

Thanks.

Edit: I've also noticed that there's a db675 but no MMC675; how come? I might be interested in the MMC675 for more bass response. Just wonderin' here...

MacLeod

Originally posted by audiobliss
definitely don't want an MTX amp because of distortion.

Well MTX amps are rated at < 1% which means less than which means its not much. If you look at an MTX birth sheet you will see the THD in the .02%-.04% range and the Signal to Noise in the 109-111 range! Those are outstanding numbers!! Go to this thread and scroll down to the picture of the MTX birth sheet. Youll see not only are these things powerhouses but damn clean as well.

Need more proof? Go to this Carsound.com review and note the one sentence that states MTX are about the best in the business for noise specs.

Also, if you go with a coaxial you will be getting a crossover thats not as good as the MM6's and you will be getting a tweeter that is not as good as the MM6's. Components cost more for a reason, they are better. Not only are the x-over and tweeter better but the construction is usualy with better materials. You should really rethink not going with components.

audiobliss

I took some pics of the speaker mounts in my Jeep. The first one is in the front doors. There is, I think, 5 1/4" speaker back there all covered up in foam.

The second pic is the bottom of the dash; they put speakers there in the nicer models. So, I'm thinkin': if I go with a component system, could I just put the tweeter in that area under the dash? How would the imaging and all be with that?

Also, how do you think I could stuff a MMC650 or one of the big mids from a component system in that door? Anybody here have a Jeep?

Thanks.

audiobliss

Haha!! Sorry!! I'll actually attach those pics now!!:D

audiobliss

Door panel again.