New Denon and Marantz AVR's

mantis
mantis Posts: 16,532
Hello everyone,
Anyone checking out the new lines? It seems Marantz had a pretty big price jump from last years offerings and Denon stayed pretty close to the same for the new model replacement .
I think after Christmas , I might grab one if what I decide on is available. I like both companies a lot but the new style of the Marantz models is super sexy. Just that alone might be enough to pull more coins out of my pocket to get a Marantz over a Denon sister model. Honestly they are so damn close in performance , it's really a pick which one you like better decision. We carry them and I have not been let down by either offering.
I'm sticking with a max of 5.2.4 Atmos setup so a 9 channel model is going to be all I need. The feature sets are damn identical and start earlier in the lines for my needs. If and when I change my speakers, my room doesn't need more power then probably 100 watts max so this will be the first time in many decades I may not go flagship.
I currently have a Sony ES STRZA-5000es flagship receiver from a few years ago and it has served me well. It does everything I need it to do and has enough power to blow my pant legs. I'll probably offer it here for anyone who needs a 4k 9 channel AVR.

What are your guys thoughts on the new models?
Dan
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  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 3,890
    The four discrete subwoofer outputs on some of the new models is a mind blowing leap from what was most common just a few years ago to have a single output.

    :)

  • polrbehr
    polrbehr Posts: 2,780
    It seems they've made some major improvements since I got my last Denon 3312ci, but since my speakers have not changed (nor are they likely to), I can't see spending money on upgrading right now.

    And is 8K even relevant yet? It seems that train went off the rails awhile ago. Not being snarky here, honestly haven't seen any news about it for quite some time.
    So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?


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  • stangman67
    stangman67 Posts: 1,800
    The new Marantz stuff certainly looks good! I’m sure it sounds excellent to boot. I have always been happy with my Marantz HT gear
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 4,801
    Denon & Marantz are excellent A/V receivers... but I have to throw into the mix the Yamaha Avantage series. I bought their flagship A3010 model back in June of 2012 & it's still going strong & sounds superb for HT duties. Yamaha has always had a great reputation for quality products that last.
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "
    Two Channel:
    KEF R3 monitors
    Schiit Audio Freya S pre
    Parasound HALO A21+ 2 channel amp
    Bluesound NODE 2i streamer
    Border Patrol SEi DAC
    Oppo BDP-93
    KEF KC62 sub


    Home Theater:
    Full blown 11.2 set up.


  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 16,532
    Denon & Marantz are excellent A/V receivers... but I have to throw into the mix the Yamaha Avantage series. I bought their flagship A3010 model back in June of 2012 & it's still going strong & sounds superb for HT duties. Yamaha has always had a great reputation for quality products that last.
    it's been a very long time since I setup and installed a Yamaha receiver. Since Tweeter went out of business late 2008, I really got away from them.

    Dan
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  • Milito
    Milito Posts: 1,706
    My 2070 Yamaha Advantage has been trouble free so far.

    I looked at the other two brands, but heard people were having HDMI board issues with them so I bought a Yamaha again and haven't felt like I made the wrong decision on my choice.
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 4,801
    mantis wrote: »
    Denon & Marantz are excellent A/V receivers... but I have to throw into the mix the Yamaha Avantage series. I bought their flagship A3010 model back in June of 2012 & it's still going strong & sounds superb for HT duties. Yamaha has always had a great reputation for quality products that last.
    it's been a very long time since I setup and installed a Yamaha receiver. Since Tweeter went out of business late 2008, I really got away from them.

    Man I miss Tweeter. You just might want to revisit Yamaha's A/V product line. Definitely worth a look.
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "
    Two Channel:
    KEF R3 monitors
    Schiit Audio Freya S pre
    Parasound HALO A21+ 2 channel amp
    Bluesound NODE 2i streamer
    Border Patrol SEi DAC
    Oppo BDP-93
    KEF KC62 sub


    Home Theater:
    Full blown 11.2 set up.


  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 16,532
    mantis wrote: »
    Denon & Marantz are excellent A/V receivers... but I have to throw into the mix the Yamaha Avantage series. I bought their flagship A3010 model back in June of 2012 & it's still going strong & sounds superb for HT duties. Yamaha has always had a great reputation for quality products that last.
    it's been a very long time since I setup and installed a Yamaha receiver. Since Tweeter went out of business late 2008, I really got away from them.

    Man I miss Tweeter. You just might want to revisit Yamaha's A/V product line. Definitely worth a look.
    I'd like to but we don't sell it just about never. We have access to it and fall into Denon, Marantz and Sony the most. We also have higher end stuff and Yamaha never really comes up.
    As far as Tweeter goes, I miss it with all my soul. It was a time in my life that was great. We where not the highest end store in the world but we had a hell of a good staff of Audio and videophiles who loved this hobby. We had fun stores and good stuff. We carried Polk and I was able to play with everything that came out.
    Dan
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 26,663
    I have had my Yamaha 3070 a while... Has to be atleast 5 years, been a very solid unit, knock on wood.

    I checked on the price of the newer ones and man prices have skyrocketed... Top of the line is 3500 versus 2000... Big difference!

    Marantz and denon are both owned by sound united so I imagine they will be similar.

    Best to try both in home if you can!
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  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 3,890
    edited December 2022
    Higher end Denon and Marantz products are deliberately voiced differently by different design teams to keep the brands recognizably separate. They may become more similar over time though and there may not be much room in the budgets to have the lower end gear much different. I am not sure if Yamaha Aventage are more similar to Denon or Marantz.
  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 16,532
    Emlyn wrote: »
    Higher end Denon and Marantz products are deliberately voiced differently by different design teams to keep the brands recognizably separate. They may become more similar over time though and there may not be much room in the budgets to have the lower end gear much different. I am not sure if Yamaha Aventage are more similar to Denon or Marantz.

    They have a lot of the same exact parts inside them . Both companies to me are fantastic at what they do. Marantz 100% looks way better especially the new one. Denon still looks like they did 25 year ago. Hardly no difference at all. From glance they look exactly the same.

    I plan on upgrading to either Denon or Marantz , walking away from higher end offerings like NAD, Audiocontrol, Arcam, Anthem etc. I have access to everything but honeslty I'm tired of the stupid menu systems, hard to setup, crappy control that the other companies bring to the table with little to no better sonic performance vs Denon and Marantz. Dollar for dollar I think the Denon and Marantz models are superior to everything on the market I touch.

    Now I'd also like to see Integra and Pioneer Elite make a huge comeback. Both brands have fallen way off over the years and it's a shame as both brands bring a lot to the table. I use to be a huge Pioneer Elite fan but nothing they have been lately or at all has excited me in any way. Onkyo, the lower end level models , are trying to make a nice comeback and basically are the same minus some custom features to the Integra brand , are looking strong.

    Dan
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 24,055
    Now that things have settled down, I have to say I am in love with my Arcam. Two channel is superb, and sounds better than it did with the Pass Labs in the mix.
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 7,972
    edited December 2022
    Earlier this year replaced an older Marantz pre/pro with a Marantz SR6015. Using as pre only, a five channel amp powers the polk inwall/ceiling. Easy menus to follow. I like it.
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  • dpowell
    dpowell Posts: 2,921
    I am VERY happy with my move from a Pioneer Elite SC67 to a Marantz pre/pro. The Atmos experience is phenomenal and it shines with easy Audyssey setup and low-end punch from the subs that I had not experienced previously. My only experience with a Denon was with a lower end unit and I wasn't impressed with the SQ. Will be interesting to hear your thoughts once you pick one and get it set up.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 24,055
    My local Best Buy has an open box Arcam AVR20 for sale @ $2800.00… I have compared the Arcam to the Denon and Marantz upper tier AVR’s and they don’t come close, especially for two channel.
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 7,632
    My local Best Buy has an open box Arcam AVR20 for sale @ $2800.00… I have compared the Arcam to the Denon and Marantz upper tier AVR’s and they don’t come close, especially for two channel.

    I LOVE my Arcam SR250, which is essentially the two channel version of what John has. And Dirac live makes a significant difference in my large open room…
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  • gmcman
    gmcman Posts: 1,692
    mantis wrote: »
    I'm sticking with a max of 5.2.4 Atmos setup so a 9 channel model is going to be all I need.

    What are your guys thoughts on the new models?

    Are you planning on using 4 subs?

    I don't know how the newest Marantz AVR's sound compared to my SR5012, I assume the 33xx series are likely better.

    With that being said, I been through a few Denons, still have a couple, as well as the Marantz, they have their own sound...however.....with my recent acquisition of an older Anthem MRX-510, I'm pretty hooked on the SQ. I would love to get ears on the 540 and it might be something to consider.

    Here's a link.

    https://www.anthemav.com/products-current/type=av-receiver/model=mrx-540-8k/page=overview
  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 22,114
    gmcman wrote: »
    mantis wrote: »
    I'm sticking with a max of 5.2.4 Atmos setup so a 9 channel model is going to be all I need.

    What are your guys thoughts on the new models?

    Are you planning on using 4 subs?

    I think you're mistaken what Dan said.
    5.2.4 the 4 is the overhead atmos speakers. The 2 is his subs.
  • gmcman
    gmcman Posts: 1,692
    edited January 3
    pitdogg2 wrote: »

    I think you're mistaken what Dan said.
    5.2.4 the 4 is the overhead atmos speakers. The 2 is his subs.

    Ahh, yes, sorry. It's been awhile since I sourced an AVR with more than one decimal... :smiley:
  • dpowell
    dpowell Posts: 2,921
    edited January 3
    I have done very little in terms of comparing the Marantz in 2 channel vs the Pass Labs X1 pre but what little Ive heard makes me believe the Marantz will not replace the Pass Labs. It is not nearly as musical and honestly sounds a tad cold to me. A lot of your decision may be based on what your intended use is. If primarily Home Theater, either will likely be a good choice. Personally I'd give the nod to the Marantz over Denon for music. I like the easy install and configuration that the Marantz offers. Plug it in, press a few buttons and within 10 minutes I'm enjoying 7.2.4 Atmos at a level I dont feel needs improvement. It works for me because I dont have the time to deal with software bugs or complex room correction configurations that some other brands involve. That's not to say that the Marantz is better or that I couldnt acheive an even better end result going another route but the extra time, money and potential frustrations related to complicated setup or dealing with operational issues make the Marantz the easy choice.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 16,532
    We have a Cinema 50 in stock, which I will be installing next week to one of my clients systems. He already has the older last years model 8015 in his basement system. The 50 is for a smaller system and I'm using outboard Bryston amps to power some Snell speakers.
    I'm waiting on getting a few Marantz and Denon models in so I can compare them. I was told others that they sound almost exactly the same especially after a Calibration. I'll be the judge of that. The Marantz is dead sexy, the 50 is so damn nice looking , even if they sound exactly the same, I might get a new Marantz Cinema 40 over the Denon just on sheer sexy alone. The Denon's look exactly the same from 20 years ago, which is fine, they look very nice just dated.
    Dan
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 11,822
    I agree the Marantz facelift is nice, and the Cinema 50 is visually appealing. However, I still think Marantz engineers should be able to eek out more performance from these new AVRs and processors.

    Their performance specifications measurements/numbers just aren't where they should be for the year 2023 and the price being asked, IMO. But people are still buying them so they probably see little incentive to dedicate a lot of resources towards improvement.
  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 3,890
    Looks like the Cinema 50 is the replacement model for the SR6015 except it now has 8K HDMI inputs all around and four subwoofer pre-outs and a few hundred dollars on the price tag. I suspect the Cinema lineup still sounds the same as my Marantz SR7011 which I've had in service for a few years now. They don't appear to be clearing out the SRXX15 models to make room for the new lineup.
  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 22,114
    Where is all this 8K stuff? With the exception of my oppo 205 spinning 4K disc's I don't get any 4K stuff through my Dish box with the exception of the super bowl or something like that.
  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 3,890
    I'm not so sure the 8K displays are flying off the shelves either. They may actually die. I've heard there are concerns about meeting power consumption regs in the European Union which may filter out around the rest of the world. The 8K screens apparently increase consumption by 50 percent or more on some models compared to 4K.
  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 22,114
    edited January 6
    The point being that broadcasters are not even trying at this point to broadcast content in 4k to their subscribers. One must wonder if the infrastructure is even capable to broadcast these higher definitions en masse yet or are we still a decade away?
  • dpowell
    dpowell Posts: 2,921
    The Marantz definitely beats the Denon in looks.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 24,055
    Arcam wins in both looks and performance…
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Arcam AVR21, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Yamaha CD-S2100 SACD Player.

    In retirement...TriangleArt Reference SE with Walker Precision Motor Drive,

    “Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered…History has stopped. Nothing exists except the endless present in which the party is always right” — George Orwell

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”