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mrbigbluelight

So Motor your battery solution is to toss them into landfills ?

Oh I know you were being facetious which is French for "Avoiding the fact or issue" which is ....what do we do with the batteries ?

Maybe we could ship them to the Uyghurs.
Out of sight,. Out of mind ?

Jstas

motorhead43026 wrote: »

Hey, KY has over 1M acres of unusable land due to strip and mountaintop mining. Lots of giant craters we can toss those batteries into.
I guess there are no downsides to extracting hydrocarbons.


Got black lung?

I asked a real question, why can't you give a real answer?

tonyb

motorhead43026 wrote: »

tonyb wrote: »

Jstas wrote: »

motorhead43026 wrote: »

Just heard a commercial for, test drive electric @ your Audi dealer now.

Remember, it’s just a fad. And what are we going to do with all these batteries?

Alright, then, what are we doing with spent batteries?

Ssshhh....your not suppose to talk about the down sides.


Fad ?? Yeah, it is...but don't let that stop you from buying one if it suits you. Keeps the wheels of the economy turning ya know. Why,if everyone bought an electric vehicle, the CO2 emissions my be reduced by .1%, thus saving us from total annihilation.

....and those kids in slave labor, never bothered anyone before, why should it now.....as you drive your EV to church, right ? But....but, but nothing.

Ahhh, even TonyB mentions human rights now and even throws a religious slant in there to make you feel guilty. You should have just left it at nothing.

Hey, KY has over 1M acres of unusable land due to strip and mountaintop mining. Lots of giant craters we can toss those batteries into.
I guess there are no downsides to extracting hydrocarbons.


Got black lung?

The church reference was to point out the hypocrisy, but I guess that flew right over your head, just like the difference between slave labor, and labor voluntarily done for wages. If you don't know the difference, maybe a quick google search on your Iphone....oh wait, more slave labor to find answers about slave labor. You can't write this stuff....lol

motorhead43026

Jstas wrote: »

motorhead43026 wrote: »

Hey, KY has over 1M acres of unusable land due to strip and mountaintop mining. Lots of giant craters we can toss those batteries into.
I guess there are no downsides to extracting hydrocarbons.


Got black lung?

I asked a real question, why can't you give a real answer?

You answered my question with a question. If you don’t have the answer we are screwed. Besides I was just parroting you wingnuts biggest gripe. “What about the batteries”

motorhead43026

tonyb wrote: »

motorhead43026 wrote: »

tonyb wrote: »

Jstas wrote: »

motorhead43026 wrote: »

Just heard a commercial for, test drive electric @ your Audi dealer now.

Remember, it’s just a fad. And what are we going to do with all these batteries?

Alright, then, what are we doing with spent batteries?

Ssshhh....your not suppose to talk about the down sides.


Fad ?? Yeah, it is...but don't let that stop you from buying one if it suits you. Keeps the wheels of the economy turning ya know. Why,if everyone bought an electric vehicle, the CO2 emissions my be reduced by .1%, thus saving us from total annihilation.

....and those kids in slave labor, never bothered anyone before, why should it now.....as you drive your EV to church, right ? But....but, but nothing.

Ahhh, even TonyB mentions human rights now and even throws a religious slant in there to make you feel guilty. You should have just left it at nothing.

Hey, KY has over 1M acres of unusable land due to strip and mountaintop mining. Lots of giant craters we can toss those batteries into.
I guess there are no downsides to extracting hydrocarbons.


Got black lung?

The church reference was to point out the hypocrisy, but I guess that flew right over your head, just like the difference between slave labor, and labor voluntarily done for wages. If you don't know the difference, maybe a quick google search on your Iphone....oh wait, more slave labor to find answers about slave labor. You can't write this stuff....lol

Didn’t fly over my head it was just a silly reference on your part. I doubt you really care about their plight.

motorhead43026

mrbigbluelight wrote: »

So Motor your battery solution is to toss them into landfills ?

Oh I know you were being facetious which is French for "Avoiding the fact or issue" which is ....what do we do with the batteries ?

Maybe we could ship them to the Uyghurs.
Out of sight,. Out of mind ?

You took that seriously? Can’t help you if you did.

txcoastal1

motorhead43026 wrote: »

mrbigbluelight wrote: »

So Motor your battery solution is to toss them into landfills ?

Oh I know you were being facetious which is French for "Avoiding the fact or issue" which is ....what do we do with the batteries ?

Maybe we could ship them to the Uyghurs.
Out of sight,. Out of mind ?

You took that seriously? Can’t help you if you did.

On the upside of that at least we had American jobs, instead now, HuFlungDu and his 5 kids are the ones working.

Jstas

motorhead43026 wrote: »

You answered my question with a question. If you don’t have the answer we are screwed. Besides I was just parroting you wingnuts biggest gripe. “What about the batteries”

Oh, so you're a troll, then.

Got it.

motorhead43026

Blue, you self taught French or did you learn via Babble. Or are you just babbling per usual because you can’t help it...lol.

motorhead43026

Jstas wrote: »

motorhead43026 wrote: »

You answered my question with a question. If you don’t have the answer we are screwed. Besides I was just parroting you wingnuts biggest gripe. “What about the batteries”

Oh, so you're a troll, then.

Got it.

And there you go calling names. Because, well you just can’t help it.

Jstas

motorhead43026 wrote: »

Jstas wrote: »

motorhead43026 wrote: »

You answered my question with a question. If you don’t have the answer we are screwed. Besides I was just parroting you wingnuts biggest gripe. “What about the batteries”

Oh, so you're a troll, then.

Got it.

And there you go calling names. Because, well you just can’t help it.

You just admitted to intentionally trying to goad me into an argument with no point other than to mock and belittle me. Additionally, you "called me a name" first by calling me a "wingnut". Stating that I'm calling you names implies I am embarking on a journey of personal character assassination against you. That would be true if you weren't actually doing anything except trying to have a conversation. Unfortunately, that is not the case. You are trying to provoke a heated disagreement but it's not working so you, yourself, have resorted to the exact behavior you are accusing me of while avoiding the question asked of you. That's called trolling and it's done by trolls. Calling you a troll because of your trollish behavior is not character assassination if it's true.

That is the definition of an "internet troll".

Internet troll: someone who makes intentionally inflammatory, rude, or upsetting statements online to elicit strong emotional responses in people or to steer the conversation off-topic. They can come in many forms. Most trolls do this for their own amusement, but other forms of trolling are done to push a specific agenda.

You're a troll and you've admitted to it. If you don't want to be called a troll, stop acting like one.

Aren't you, like, a 62 year old man? I can't believe I gotta tell you to grow up.

motorhead43026

I am 68 and I usually refrain from answering a question with a question. The only reason for that is to force an argument. Not saying that was your intention.

When one asks a question it best to pass if one does not have an answer.

Is that Confucius or Confusion?

la2vegas

Jstas

You actual post said:
"Just heard a commercial for, test drive electric @ your Audi dealer now.

Remember, it’s just a fad. And what are we going to do with all these batteries?"

Which is not a question as much as it's a snide, rhetorical remark meant to make a point through attempted satire. So just because you phrased your snark as a question doesn't mean it was an actual question. Especially since you freely admitted that it was mockery of "you wingnuts".

So, again, you're still avoiding the question and trying to push the blame on me because I'm not following the arbitrary rules of discourse you are attempting to foist off on me as proper etiquette that you, yourself, can't even follow.

Save your answer at this point. It doesn't matter and I'm done with this malarkey. You have fun with your electric vehicles, I have better things to be doing than pointing out hypocrisy on an internet forum that thinks I'm the one that's the problem.

Kex

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Kex

Whataboutism is alive and well in the Polk Forum… 🙄

I’m not really interested in the battery debate, especially since those who bring it up are dead set against ever buying an EV anyway, so what’s the point? 🤷‍♂️

For the sake of (polite) argument, however, end of life EV batteries usually still retain 70-80% of their capability. They already have multiple known secondary uses. Tesla has employed them in huge solar power installations around the world, and for Powerwall home batteries, which can power a home in the event of a power cut. Nissan does the same, as well as using them to power street lighting and factory robots. Renault repurposes or recycles most/all of its used EV batteries, including as a backup power source for elevators.

When these secondary use applications have been exhausted, EV batteries are technically 70-100% recyclable. The technology continues to evolve. Volkswagen has built a recycling facility as well, and more will come. The recycling industry is alive and well in Canada and the U.S., but it will likely have to adapt to make recycling cost effective, which will probably include robots such as those used by Apple to recycle iPhones.

Kex

Since we’re entertaining whataboutism, though, and since an EV battery is usually guaranteed for 10-12 years in its first life: over that time period, how many household batteries does a single family generate, from their handheld devices, power tools, laptops, phones and tablets… ? Where do those all go, and who actually makes the effort to recycle those rather than just dump them in the regular trash? 🤔

motorhead43026

Electric is not practical for me, although I wouldn’t mind owning an EV just for the performance factor, but I won’t because it would just be another vehicle that depreciates until it is worthless. I don’t buy anything I don’t need unless it is something that won’t lose value over time. That way I can enjoy it and when I tire of it I sell it and move on, audio equipment excluded.

I have 2 cars that have turned out to be decent investments but the daily driver is just a necessary evil, so I will be burning hydrocarbons for the foreseeable future.

BlueFox

I bought my current 2005 Mazda3 new in November 2004, and in a year or two will buy my last car. Although I prefer a manual transmission, I will give an electric car a chance since I only drive 100 miles a month now. For me, the problem with electric cars is they are too expensive for sitting idle most of the time. I would rather buy stereo gear.

F1nut

tonyb

Kex wrote: »

Since we’re entertaining whataboutism, though, and since an EV battery is usually guaranteed for 10-12 years in its first life: over that time period, how many household batteries does a single family generate, from their handheld devices, power tools, laptops, phones and tablets… ? Where do those all go, and who actually makes the effort to recycle those rather than just dump them in the regular trash? 🤔

Takes a heck of a lot of those types of batteries to equal the 1800 lbs worth in one truck.

motorhead43026

F1nut wrote: »

Jesse, get out of you coffin more, coal is all but dead in the US.

invalid

There's no money in recycling those batteries currently. It's very time consuming to extract the little bit of metals that are in them.

Kex

Yes, but as stated previously, recycling is not expected to be the primary destination for used EV batteries that continue to retain 70-80% of their capacity. Secondary use will extend their useful life well beyond ten years — probably twenty or more.

Recycling will also improve thanks to improved technology and automation (like iPhone recycling).

Battery technology is also expected to improve, lowering the cost of the batteries themselves by 50% in the near future. Recycling could well be profitable before long.

motorhead43026

A Panasonic and GM partnership have a no cobalt design coming on line soon. That will eliminate one of the nasties eventually.

motorstereo

No EV here either as one wouldn't work out very well for my needs. But there is an 80 volt chainsaw on top of that wood I brought home this morning that has all but replaced my gas powered saw. Battery powered tools are the cat's pajamas imo

F1nut

motorhead43026 wrote: »

Jesse, get out of you coffin more, coal is all but dead in the US.

One needs to have a world view.

Coal generates nearly 40% of the world's electricity, close to its highest share in decades. And there are now 80 countries using coal power, up from 66 in 2000. Mar 26, 2020

F1nut

Stats for the US only, 60% from fossil fuels.

In 2020, about 4,009 billion kilowatthours (kWh) (or about 4.01 trillion kWh) of electricity were generated at utility-scale electricity generation facilities in the United States. About 60% of this electricity generation was from fossil fuels—coal, natural gas, petroleum, and other gases. About 20% was from nuclear energy, and about 20% was from renewable energy sources.

Kex

No source was given, but in the US, coal production is at levels not seen since the 1960’s and it’s in steady decline. In fact, production was higher in 1920 than it is now.

Kex

Similarly, electricity generation from coal has fallen off a cliff.