L800 SDA Pro in depth w/ Stu Lumsden
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News to me, that was not discussed.
Studying my SDA crossover photo there are no switches or jumpers on the board.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Can you post the pics now?The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
I don't see it either. The only thing I can think of is swapping wires in the top right corner of the board...The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
I suspect it was an idea that was ultimately not implemented.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
nooshinjohn wrote: »From the patent application...
The angled first and second arrays are then are then fed signals from a new crossover which is optionally configurable using switches or jumpers such that either (e.g., left baffle or right baffle) array can be selected by the user or installer as being (a) the main array or (b) SDA/effects array by rerouting signals through a switch or jumper block.
Does this mean that we get to determine which driver performs the SDA function?
That's interesting John. I was reading in the text where they mention retailers, distributors, etc., not really preferring to stock L and R speakers! Very interesting!
Basement: Polk SDA SRS 1.2tl's, Cary SLP-05 Pre with ultimate upgrade,McIntosh MCD301 CD/SACD player, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Cambridge 851N streamer, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Silnote Morpheus Ref2, Series2 Digital Cables, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Series2 XLR's, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
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nooshinjohn wrote: »From the patent application...
The angled first and second arrays are then are then fed signals from a new crossover which is optionally configurable using switches or jumpers such that either (e.g., left baffle or right baffle) array can be selected by the user or installer as being (a) the main array or (b) SDA/effects array by rerouting signals through a switch or jumper block.
Does this mean that we get to determine which driver performs the SDA function?
That's interesting John. I was reading in the text where they mention retailers, distributors, etc., not really preferring to stock L and R speakers! Very interesting!
Well that does make sense as looking at the backs i do not recall seeing left or right on the label.
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Since there is no L/R speaker, I wonder if this means they are just stereo speakers without the interconnect cable? If so then I wonder how they sound when used like other speakers. If they sound great as stereo speakers then Polk does have a winner with these speakers.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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Since there is no L/R speaker, I wonder if this means they are just stereo speakers without the interconnect cable? If so then I wonder how they sound when used like other speakers. If they sound great as stereo speakers then Polk does have a winner with these speakers.
They do have a interconnectPio Elete Pro 520
Panamax 5400-EX
Sunfire TGP 5
Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
PS Audio GCPH phono pre
Sunfire CG 200 X 5
Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
OPPO BDP-83 SE
SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
Ctr CS1000p
Sur - FX1000 x 4
SUB - SVS PB2-Plus
Workkout room:
Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
Onkyo TX-DS898
GFA 555
Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
Ft - SDA 1C
Not being used:
RTi 38's -4
RT55i's - 2
RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
LSI 15's
CSi40
PSW 404 -
Yes. The comment was in regard to it not being used, for whatever reason.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits. -
The L800 speakers are identified as being sold as Left or Right speakers come November. I think in the video Stu also said the larger crossover board goes in one of the speakers but not both. Patent application specifics don't always translate to real world product when possible user options being exercised or not are involved. In the case of the patent filing, Polk is actually the end user rather than individual customers being the end user of the engineering design.
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So it seems as if the L800's are exclusively for 2 channel setups? Could anyone see any usage for dual purpose setups (2 channel & multi-channel surround sound, replacing primary L and R speakers)? Or would the introduction of additional audio from non-L800 channels nullify the "opposite channel dampening effect" in a way that degrades perception and enjoyment of multi-channel surround sound for movies? My first thought is that the SDA effect would be degraded but not nullified, as the L800's would still be an intact subset of the wave patterns. Does this make sense?
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In the video they said it made it better.Pio Elete Pro 520
Panamax 5400-EX
Sunfire TGP 5
Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
PS Audio GCPH phono pre
Sunfire CG 200 X 5
Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
OPPO BDP-83 SE
SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
Ctr CS1000p
Sur - FX1000 x 4
SUB - SVS PB2-Plus
Workkout room:
Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
Onkyo TX-DS898
GFA 555
Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
Ft - SDA 1C
Not being used:
RTi 38's -4
RT55i's - 2
RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
LSI 15's
CSi40
PSW 404 -
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I can tell you from the old school 1.2TL perspective.. I have yet to hear a better speaker for HT than the big girls. My in-walls are voice matched to them as well.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
There's an Atmos module option that drops into the top of either the L800 or L600, so yes they are both intended for home theater use. Older SDA speakers also make good home theater speakers with a center channel. Automatic setup features in a receiver or AV preamp may or may not get confused with the SDA function though. Haven't seen anything mentioned about that yet. There may be some special auto setup considerations for systems like Audyssey that'll be covered later. Or maybe they've been designed around that already.
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One point is you DO NOT need Atmos for excellent home theater. I don’t even use my sub anymore for HT.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits. -
The L800 speakers are identified as being sold as Left or Right speakers come November. I think in the video Stu also said the larger crossover board goes in one of the speakers but not both. Patent application specifics don't always translate to real world product when possible user options being exercised or not are involved. In the case of the patent filing, Polk is actually the end user rather than individual customers being the end user of the engineering design.
The speaker in the pic is identified as Left so they are sold as a Left/Right pair. -
nooshinjohn wrote: »From the patent application...
The angled first and second arrays are then are then fed signals from a new crossover which is optionally configurable using switches or jumpers such that either (e.g., left baffle or right baffle) array can be selected by the user or installer as being (a) the main array or (b) SDA/effects array by rerouting signals through a switch or jumper block.
Does this mean that we get to determine which driver performs the SDA function?
That's interesting John. I was reading in the text where they mention retailers, distributors, etc., not really preferring to stock L and R speakers! Very interesting!
Well that does make sense as looking at the backs i do not recall seeing left or right on the label.
InterestingThe L800 speakers are identified as being sold as Left or Right speakers come November. I think in the video Stu also said the larger crossover board goes in one of the speakers but not both. Patent application specifics don't always translate to real world product when possible user options being exercised or not are involved. In the case of the patent filing, Polk is actually the end user rather than individual customers being the end user of the engineering design.
The speaker in the pic is identified as Left so they are sold as a Left/Right pair.
Yep I overlooked it on my phone. I was looking down at the L800 label instead it was right there between the binding post's. I guess I thought it would be like the older SDA's near the model number.
As Doc would say. ....Derp!
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I'm 99% certain that each speaker has its own crossover board. That smaller crossover in the pic probably goes to the bass section.
I think Polk was smart with the design because in the event of a separated pair, it looks like you could just swap the way it is hooked up internally.- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
Yes each speaker will need the full crossover assembly. It would need to wired as a left or right during assembly.I'm 99% certain that each speaker has its own crossover board. That smaller crossover in the pic probably goes to the bass section.
I think Polk was smart with the design because in the event of a separated pair, it looks like you could just swap the way it is hooked up internally.
