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marvda1
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thought that would get you.
what's the most expensive cable you have had in your system and what are your thoughts on it?
mine is the Argento Organic speaker cables at $3300.
these are the best sounding speaker cables i have had in my system, the sound is... well.. organic. there is just music that draws you in. no one part of spectrum draws attention to itself, in fact you don't know you are listening to cables if that makes sense.
i like these so much that i am upgrading to the organic 2's and maybe even later the organic reference.
what's the most expensive cable you have had in your system and what are your thoughts on it?
mine is the Argento Organic speaker cables at $3300.
these are the best sounding speaker cables i have had in my system, the sound is... well.. organic. there is just music that draws you in. no one part of spectrum draws attention to itself, in fact you don't know you are listening to cables if that makes sense.
i like these so much that i am upgrading to the organic 2's and maybe even later the organic reference.
Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
Speaker Cables: Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
Interconnects: Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
Puritan PSM156
Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
Speaker Cables: Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
Interconnects: Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
Puritan PSM156
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I've found it is more about synergy than costs, ymmv- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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Dang Marv that's some cables! Funny, I never thought about cables as I do now, since I've heard and felt the difference of what good cables can do to a system.
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i'm not saying the expensive one will sound better in your system, just what you thought about the most expensive one you have had in your system.
if you didn't like the way it sound in your system so be it.
@verb, being cheap, (ask skip) i paid nowhere near the $3300 for them.Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
Speaker Cables: Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
Interconnects: Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
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What's the most expensive cable I have had in your system? Lets just say compared to your Argento Organic if i told you I would sound like an ignorant hack.......
But I do have a question. If these cables sound as good as they do on your system why would you automatically assume a more expensive cable (even from the same manufacturer) would have to sound better? Like you and others have mentioned it is all about synergy. So who says the more you pay the more synergy-erer it is to your system? -
it's kind of like amps and speakers that have a house sound the higher up the line you it adds more of what the lower ones do, besides i get to compare the two before i send in the ones i have now.Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
Speaker Cables: Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
Interconnects: Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
Puritan PSM156 -
MIT AVt speaker cables - $79. I definitely live in a midfi world.PS Audio Stellar Gain Cell DAC/Preamp
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My current cables, the Audioquest Meteor 12ft double Bi-Wires were @$16,500 retail would be the best I have had in my rig.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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Audioquest WEL 8ft single biwire speaker wire @ $31,800
Best I have tried but not worth the retail
Also have 4 AQ Wel power cables approx @ $4,000 eachMagico, JL, Emm, ARC Ref 10 line, ARC Ref 10 phono, VPI, Lyra, Boulder, AQ Wel, SRA Scuttle Rack, Bluesound -
skip, i think the organics appeal to me more is because i listen mostly to jazz and female vocals and the smoothness of the cables highlight those genres.Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
Speaker Cables: Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
Interconnects: Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
Puritan PSM156 -
Audioquest WEL 8ft single biwire speaker wire @ $31,800
Best I have tried but not worth the retail
Also have 4 AQ Wel power cables approx @ $4,000 each
I don't think any of these 5 figure cables are worth their retail prices, but that is just me.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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nooshinjohn wrote: »
I want to say the same thing John, but, in a cost is no object system those 5 figure cables may be what brings out the extra little bit of the system. Hopefully scale works and the newer design and technology works it's way down in to the lower models sooner than later. -
nooshinjohn wrote: »
I want to say the same thing John, but, in a cost is no object system those 5 figure cables may be what brings out the extra little bit of the system. Hopefully scale works and the newer design and technology works it's way down in to the lower models sooner than later.
I can assure you what the Platinums brought out was not a ‘little bit’. At that level with true high end pieces it is every bit as much of a gain as cables in the midfi realm.
So, quantify it for us. If it's not a "little bit" is it 25% improvement? 35%? -
nooshinjohn wrote: »
I want to say the same thing John, but, in a cost is no object system those 5 figure cables may be what brings out the extra little bit of the system. Hopefully scale works and the newer design and technology works it's way down in to the lower models sooner than later.
I can assure you what the Platinums brought out was not a ‘little bit’. At that level with true high end pieces it is every bit as much of a gain as cables in the midfi realm.
So, quantify it for us. If it's not a "little bit" is it 25% improvement? 35%?
It gave him a woody....that's about all the quantifying one needs. HT SYSTEM-
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Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
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Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
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I agree about synergy but I also know I'd never buy a cable worth more than my speakers. To me it doesn't make sense. So it would come down to synergy and balance.
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Even after being on the forum for six years, I still have trouble understanding certain terms and explanations. Are you saying that speaker cables can actually speed up or slow down the actual music, or does it have more to do with the decay rate of a note?Transparent Audio Musicwave Reference - $6,000. The Equinox had more energy and better pace as well as a cleaner sound.
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I think terms like pace refer to one's perception of the reproduced music.
That said, of course I'll defer to the perspective of the poster who actually used the term, @DSkip
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This is better Pace:
Just kidding, I hate that stuff.
About the cables, I dunno. I bought my MIT EXPs 2 for like $60 or $80 I can't remember. They retailed for $179.
I work with what I can work with. I am happy with them though.
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I'm just a beginner here. My best would be my MIT speaker cables (MH750) which sold for $4,500 in 1995. I'm sure there's been plenty of advancements since then but my pocketbooks says "don't even think about it". Thankfully those music hoses compliment my MIT Shotgun balanced interconnects quite nicely and I really don't have the desire (or the funds) to hear the next steps up.
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The most expensive (based on retail) that I've had is the Zu Libtec cables, but I currently have Wireworld Mini Eclipse 8 connected right now. I'm not rushing back to the Zu's, but I'm not getting rid of them either.
Not sure what will be next cable wise, but I'm sure I'll make more changes down the road.Analog: MoFi MasterTracker > MoFi UltraDeck > Sutherland 20/20
Digital: Cambridge CXC / Streaming > Cambridge CXN v2
MastersounD Dueventi > Rosso Fiorentino Certaldo or Arcam rHead > Hifiman HE4XX
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Although some speaker cables have been more costly, one of the relatively high priced cables I have bought is the Wireworld Starlight 7 Platinum USB cable. Retailed for $550ish and got a good deal on one from Skip.
It provides outstanding detail and a wonderful, expansive soundstage. I also use Curious and Phasure Lush cables. The Curious provides a tad less detail but a bit more musicality, and was about a third of the cost of the Plat7. The Lush ($280 retail) is at the musical end of the spectrum - less detail than the other two, but a very enjoyable analog sound. My keeping the Plat 7 should tell you enough about my opinion of it since it could be traded for 2 or 3 of the others.
Another pricey (to me) cable that I bought is the Acoustic Revive LAN1.0PA that @headrott talks about in @DarqueKnight's TeraDak DC-30 Linear Power Supply Review thread. $145 for a daggum Cat5! BUT... I couldn't believe the improvement! Placed it between router and Roon server (SonicTransporter i5). Jaw-dropping difference. Increased inner detail, depth, spatial cues. Don't understand it. Don't care. Just love it and would like to find more to try between routers and endpoints. Thanks @headrott !!b]Beach Audio[/b]: Rega RP6 (mods) - AT33PTG/II - Parks Budgie SUT - PSAudio NPC * Eversolo DMP-A6 * Topping D90iii * Joule-Electra LA-100 mkIII * Pass Aleph 30 * MIT S3 * Polk SRS 2.3tl (mods) * PSAudio PPP3
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motorstereo wrote: »I'm just a beginner here. My best would be my MIT speaker cables (MH750) which sold for $4,500 in 1995. I'm sure there's been plenty of advancements since then but my pocketbooks says "don't even think about it". Thankfully those music hoses compliment my MIT Shotgun balanced interconnects quite nicely and I really don't have the desire (or the funds) to hear the next steps up.
Am I a newborn then? Just saying, I would never relate experience with money. Hell I am sure there are some people that know WAY less than you about audio that have spent big bucks on cables.Just a dude doing dude-ly things
"Temptation is the manifestation of desire which equals necessity." - Mikey081057
" I have always had a champange taste with a beer budget" - Rick88
"Just because the thread is getting views don't mean much .. I like a good train wreck doesn't mean i want to be in one..." - pitdogg2
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