Cambridge CXN streaming Tidal Masters

jayman_1975jayman_1975 Posts: 668
edited May 12 in Going Digital
I recently picked up a CXN which is capable of playing 24bit/192 files. When I use the Cambridge Stream app every song I stream shows in the app as playing at 16/44.1. Even songs that are supposed to be Masters. Can anyone explain why I only get 16bit streaming on this CXN?

I just noticed that the CXN doesn’t support MQA. Does that mean it won’t stream master recordings?
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,666
    I'll forward your question directly to Cambridge for a 'complete' response. I don't want to speak out of turn here.
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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,026
    From what little I have read, mqa sounds like a compete money grab.
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  • jayman_1975jayman_1975 Posts: 668
    Ok I have figured it out. The CXN won’t stream 24/96 cause it doesn’t have the required hardware for MQA. Now, if I stream it via my laptop and connect USB into the CXN I get 96 kHz. So the answer to the question about if the CXN will play Tidal Masters......yes. But you have to stream it on a pc.
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  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 4,806
    Or use quboz. Their high rez are not mqa. They are straight up high rez.
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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 5,343
    Can u cast it from your iPhone or android using the app on the phone which now supports MQA? That would be similar to the computer except, you know, ya don’t have to bother with a computer...
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 6,435
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    Can u cast it from your iPhone or android using the app on the phone which now supports MQA? That would be similar to the computer except, you know, ya don’t have to bother with a computer...

    Correct. This is the procedure you have to use in order to "stream" MQA from the CXN.
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,666
    Here is the official response - it mirrors what has been said:


    In terms of the built in Tidal integration, the CXN can only play the CD quality FLAC files that Tidal has due to the fact that the CXN doesn’t support MQA. That being said, you can use the Tidal Music desktop app on a PC or Mac through a USB Audio connection to the CXN. This will give you access to the Tidal Masters service and access to MQA content, which is currently unavailable through the Cambridge Connect app.



    To enable playback, connect a USB A to B cable between your PC or Mac and the CXN and select “USB Audio” as the desired digital input through the CXN’s interface.

    Personally I think that approach negates any potential benefit of MQA.
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  • jayman_1975jayman_1975 Posts: 668
    Clipdat wrote: »
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    Can u cast it from your iPhone or android using the app on the phone which now supports MQA? That would be similar to the computer except, you know, ya don’t have to bother with a computer...

    Correct. This is the procedure you have to use in order to "stream" MQA from the CXN.

    Problem with that is once I AirPlay the Master file to the CXN it’s restricted to 16/44.1 anyways so I’m not gaining anything. Playing from my PC via USB into the CXN is the way it works properly.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 6,435
    Problem with that is once I AirPlay the Master file to the CXN it’s restricted to 16/44.1 anyways so I’m not gaining anything. Playing from my PC via USB into the CXN is the way it works properly.

    I apologize, I gave you incorrect information. I thought it could be done wirelessly but apparently not.
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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 2,563
    edited May 14
    Hmm
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  • jayman_1975jayman_1975 Posts: 668
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Problem with that is once I AirPlay the Master file to the CXN it’s restricted to 16/44.1 anyways so I’m not gaining anything. Playing from my PC via USB into the CXN is the way it works properly.

    I apologize, I gave you incorrect information. I thought it could be done wirelessly but apparently not.


    Don’t get me wrong. It sounds great, just wondering how much I’m missing by not being able to stream Master files. I’m not hearing a bunch difference when I play them through my PC via USB to the CXN.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 6,435
    I would argue that you're "missing" more by choosing to use MQA versus not using it. But I'm trying to avoid this thread turning into an anti-MQA debate.
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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 2,563
    Someone around here use to say..F MQA
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  • jayman_1975jayman_1975 Posts: 668
    Clipdat wrote: »
    I would argue that you're "missing" more by choosing to use MQA versus not using it. But I'm trying to avoid this thread turning into an anti-MQA debate.

    Interesting. Ok. Sounds like there’s no point in worrying about if then. Cheers.
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  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 1,130
    Okay not to sound like an idiot here (again) but what is MQA? Is it a digital format? Who uses it? What does Tidal use? How many freaking formats are there anyways? Should I be concerned? Should I care?
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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 5,343
    audioluvr wrote: »
    Okay not to sound like an idiot here (again) but what is MQA? Is it a digital format? Who uses it? What does Tidal use? How many freaking formats are there anyways? Should I be concerned? Should I care?

    Probably post in a new thread or get your read on. We have discussed is before.
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  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 1,130
    Will do. Just lazy today...
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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 5,343
    audioluvr wrote: »
    Will do. Just lazy today...

    Didn’t mean to be short! Just didn’t wanna set drew or joe off with my mouth 🤮. And it’s about as agreeable a topic as cables 😝
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  • OleBootOleBoot Posts: 450
    audioluvr wrote: »
    Okay not to sound like an idiot here (again) but what is MQA? Is it a digital format? Who uses it? What does Tidal use? How many freaking formats are there anyways? Should I be concerned? Should I care?

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  • jayman_1975jayman_1975 Posts: 668
    Ok so let’s talk about this. The CXN is supposed to be a mid to lower end streamer but better than entry. If some of you are saying that MQA is a waste of time and that HiFI is as good as anyone would want, then if I’m Air Playing HIFI Tidal files via my IPhone to my CXN, would you say there should be any difference than if I’m streaming right from the CXN? Both are 16/44./ CD quality. And if one should be better, then how revealing of a system would you need to realize those differences? I’m not using the DAC in the CXN so wouldn’t you think that both should be the same quality?
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