Combine Vintage LSi9 with LSIM
vanderson.2000
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How much would this be worth: An LSi type badge front mounted on an LSiM tweeter that has been removed from the sonic basket and rotated above the midrange instead of below it. With a Monitor60 grill instead of the heavy oem magnet-grill.
Advantage is to have a top mounted tweeter above the grill, plus looks cool.
I have always been a fan of the LSi series and the updated LSiMs are hard to beat as far as the sound goes.
Advantage is to have a top mounted tweeter above the grill, plus looks cool.
I have always been a fan of the LSi series and the updated LSiMs are hard to beat as far as the sound goes.
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How much is it worth? Probably less than either of the donor speakers. You are unlikely to recoup your investment on the "mods".
But more importantly. How does it sound? if you like it just play it and enjoy. -
So right about “worth”—definitely a reduction from the original prices —I am not even sure what I meant by that! But yes, the sound is still great - the test will be if I can create a second one and test them together. I would rather Polk picked up this design - I would pay a good price for it rather than some of their later rollouts.
But you are right - the ultimate test is the ears. And this unit is still sweet to hear.
And I must say that even my wife, who originally condemned my deconstructing the top half of the “beautiful” LSiM stated that the final result looks pretty awesome.
I guess I am asking myself , is re-arranging the sonic basket worth it? I do admit I always liked the LSi tweeter style aligned with the dual small ports next to it. Maybe I just missed that!
Polk- you have my vote! That’s one so far....
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Those look fuggly.
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WTF and Y ?
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Does it come with Alexa? That makes anything with a Polk badge bonifide.Don't take experimental gene therapies from known eugenicists.
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Of course by “look pretty awesome” she did NOT mean without the new grille in place.
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"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
vanderson.2000 wrote: »How much would this be worth: An LSi type badge front mounted on an LSiM tweeter that has been removed from the sonic basket and rotated above the midrange instead of below it. With a Monitor60 grill instead of the heavy oem magnet-grill.
You get an A for effort, and a F on resale value.
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I'm still not even sure what I'm looking at, nor what I read.
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Several disadvantages, but doubt you care to know what they are....
Tweeter is surface mounted, diffraction.
Mid is recessed and will diffract off of tweeter above and off the odd shaped opening it is recessed far into and the holes for grill.
When grill is mounted tweeter will diffract off of top edge of grille.
Tweeter is mount similar in 3 directions, to edges of baffle, will create more baffle edge diffraction issues.
Other than that ..looks uh..... -
What an abomination. In this case, the sum is clearly not better than the parts.
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Mr. Vanderson said the sound was hard to beat, I believe him, your aesthetics are null it’s all about the sound Mr. Ho ..€€What an abomination. In this case, the sum is clearly not better than the parts.
Some final words,
"If you keep banging your head against the wall,
you're going to have headaches."
Warren -
You make the assumption that the OP knows what good sound is. I'm not convinced. -
It’s not about you, it’s about the sound.Some final words,
"If you keep banging your head against the wall,
you're going to have headaches."
Warren -
Whatever makes you happy 😜- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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Yes, I may have to do more with the tweeter. but I just thought that if you have , for example an LSi9 and redesign its tweeter to place it above the top of the two drivers, instead of in between the two, just as with the 2-way LSi7 has it's tweeter above its solo mid-woofer, aren't you "keeping it real"? If I were to seriously test this out, I would need to set up some listening mikes. So... Mike...are you listening to this!!?
Sorry. just trying to lighten the discussion.
Anyway, the LSiM "sonic basket" seems to just 'coffin' its midrange, not the tweeter. How is that a real basket, if both are not encased? Just a philosophical dispute I am having with myself.
I did feel it was good that I am using the same LSiM tweeter--I did not want to disrespect Polk's upgraded LSiM ring-radiator. Plus I am sure you should not mix-match ohm impedance [ I've seen the charts! ] In fact I have two LSiM tweeters to spare, -- the fragile soldered connector lugs keep breaking off if you dare try to do anything except leave them alone!
Anyway, some of your sound objections have been heard. Good discussion and thanks for some feedback. I think a few like the design. Again...not a great resale move, but it was fun and my curiosity now is satisfied; that is to say, about wondering if I could ever do this and not utterly destroy the sound parameters, and not burn down the house. Disclaimer: No animals were harmed in this experiment. ( ¬e to self: get a set of better , matching mounting screws for the new/old tweeter/badge plate.) -
If you like them rock on. But don't ever invite any of us over to your house, we will happily tie you up, lock you in a closet and take those frankenpolks out to the front yard and put them out of their misery!
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You make the assumption that the OP knows what good sound is. I'm not convinced.
After having heard several systems from people that talked as if they knew great sound, I have found huge variations.
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Especially yoursPolitical Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Not The Closet Again!,
I know ˋˋ good sound´´ in the very end has to be subjective, even with the best measurements, although I do pay attention to the Hz range levels upper and lower as well as the ohm rating. I have had several types of speakers and I still keep a pair of Infinity RS2 bookshelf units. However, I always seem to like Polk's offerings the most. I started with a Polk Monitor 60 years ago. Then, I became fixated with the LSi's, starting with the LSi15, before graduating up to the powered LSi25's. Both of the tower LSis were very good sounding speakers and for a while I was happily settled on the LSi15s, but then due to spacing issues I 'downsized' to the LSi9s. S But here I am again with a speaker that weighs as much as a fattened horse.
Before the LSiM705 I had a couple of sets of the LSiM703 bookshelf units.
They too seemed better at producing great sound than either the LSi9 or even the LSi15. I became dissatisfied only because the speaker stand that I used was sturdy, heavy...and somewhat of a distraction.
So for me the LSiM705 is a keeper. a top of the line, luxurious speaker for most of us.
I cannot swear that re-locating the LSiM705 tweeter above the rest of the drivers improves the already renowned sound of this LSiM705 speaker, and to suggest that Polk missed the boat in any way with it's 'sonic engine' basket may be a bit of heresy. But as I mentioned earlier I may be suffering from the after-effects of staring at the LSi9, LSi15 and LSi25 for so many years that I just miss looking at that series' historically incredible, off-centered LSi dual ring radiator tweeter with it's crazy port holes on the side.
AT WORST, I would guess that my "design" relocation of this LSiM tweeter off-center and behind the LSi plastic mouting plate is a bit too high off the ground if Polk's leveling off of their LSiM705 tweeter at its original height has anything lot to do with matching or comparing the height of the listener's ears when that listener is seated.
& To be honest I originally purchased this LSiM705 as a discounted , slightly damaged speaker - I am not sure if I would have tried this with a full priced top condition unit.
Probably not. The LSiMs are finely made, expensive speakers.
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Especially yours
Exactly!
Someone my age would have far better high frequency ability, that would not convey to what you deem good sound.
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If someone has a real DIY bug, it's usually better to start from scratch and learn how speakers are engineered by building a cabinet and selecting appropriate drivers and crossover components. A person can learn a lot about electrical values, acoustics and audio reproduction that way. Or just start by updating stock speaker crossovers with components of same values but higher quality.
I don't hold any objections to someone trashing their own property though.
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It's amazing how you can be so wrong about so much.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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So...when all is said and done, one day, after I get another LSiM705, I will set up some tests for a pair of these, first with myself, starting with a three hour listening test of sounds and music with a couple of cold bottles of O’Doul’s. Then I can next work my way up to inviting two or three friends to listen to these perhaps as they enjoy my obvious bribe of steak and pizza. in the hope that they like this design; I will need to put the pinch on them for investment funding.
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Yes just truly amazing.
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Those speakers are still as hideous as the first time I saw them. If you think they sound good, more power to you.
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Why not order a kit off Parts Express and get your DIY on? Instead of trashing a perfectly good speaker? But...its yours. lol--Gary--
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