PS Audio Stellar S300 power amplifier

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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,934
    edited March 2019
    audioluvr wrote: »
    Interesting they don't have a traditional power supply.

    The power supply is integrated into each ICEpower module.

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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,787
    Yup, you can see that black vinyl coated AC mains cable coming from what appears to be an IEC power module on the top right in the photo I posted before, going to the first ICE module (the one on the right), and another one (maybe "Y" connected?) going to the other one.

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    PartsExpress sells the ICE modules, FWIW, if you get the urge to roll your own amp with 'em.

    They're available with or without the power supplies onboard.
    Seems like a good, outboard linear supply might be a nice way to go with 'em... but who knows?

    https://www.parts-express.com/cat/audio-amplifier-boards-modules/3464?N=23287+4294967118+4294960619&Ne=10166&Nrs=collection()/record[endeca:matches(.,"P_PortalID","1")+and+endeca:matches(.,"P_Searchable","1")]&PortalID=1

    https://icepower.dk/products/amplifier-power-modules/
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,934
    edited March 2019
    That's cool that those parts are available for hobbyists! Too bad the one they use inside the S300 isn't available.

    From what I understand about how PS Audio integrated these, the "magic" comes from their analog gain cell input stage. I believe they "voiced" this section to add some "tube-like" qualities, as well as control other elements of their performance.

    So, as it seems like in DACs, the actual implementation of the available technology is the skilled/challenging part.
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  • joecoulson
    joecoulson Posts: 4,943
    I am thoroughly blown away with the performance PS puts into these pieces. Amazing tech and incredible sound for the $$
    So excited to get up and running.
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  • msg
    msg Posts: 10,012
    I can't get over the performance you guys are seeing out of these things. Pretty cool. I'd love to check out some of this gear. I'd probably have to glue lead weights to it just for placebo.
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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,151
    I know, That's what I was thinking.

    But Bob Carver made his rail amps and at 40 lbs or so put out 3,000 watts and ran cool too. I had one. The Sunfire 600X2.
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
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  • OldSchoolPolk
    OldSchoolPolk Posts: 159
    I believe these units all use the Icepower ASX700 module:

    PS Audio Stellar 700 - $2,998 (a pair)
    Bel Canto Black EX - $11,990
    Legacy Powerbloc2 - $1,700
    Parasound ZoneMaster 2350 - $1,295

    I'm saving my pennies. I've never read a bad review of the PS Audio units. The Parasound has the most flexible in/out control so it's a contender as well.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,787
    edited March 2019
    It is fair to expect that for-profit audio component companies include "added value" design elements and/or hardware to these off-the-shelf modules when they "productize" :p them. I have no doubt that the "analog modules" added by PS Audio to their amps are doing something. It would be interesting* to see what's in 'em and/or what they're doing, of course. :)

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    * Will be interesting, if, e.g., Stereophile tests 'em. JA will do some quantitative assessment as a counterpoint to the froofy audiophile prose that makes up the bulk of their reviews! :)

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  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,616
    If I had the resources, this would be my next audio purchase (along with the matching PSA Stellar preamp of course! :D ).
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,934
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    * Will be interesting, if, e.g., Stereophile tests 'em. JA will do some quantitative assessment as a counterpoint to the froofy audiophile prose that makes up the bulk of their reviews! :)

    https://www.stereophile.com/content/ps-audio-stellar-m700-monoblock-power-amplifier

    https://www.stereophile.com/content/ps-audio-stellar-m700-monoblock-power-amplifier-measurements
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  • joecoulson
    joecoulson Posts: 4,943
    These things are beasts. If there is one thing about the Elacs that they did well it’s the power handling. The bi amping with the mid/high having the lower ohm rating showed me that. They love power. And these have it for days.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,787
    Clipdat wrote: »
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    * Will be interesting, if, e.g., Stereophile tests 'em. JA will do some quantitative assessment as a counterpoint to the froofy audiophile prose that makes up the bulk of their reviews! :)

    https://www.stereophile.com/content/ps-audio-stellar-m700-monoblock-power-amplifier

    https://www.stereophile.com/content/ps-audio-stellar-m700-monoblock-power-amplifier-measurements

    Very cool, thanks for sharing those -- although I was asking about your 300. Very different performance parameters than a Class AB amplifier, based on JA's measurements.
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,934
    Yeah. It'd be nice if they reviewed/measured the S300, but I figure the measurements of the M700 are "similar".
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,787
    edited March 2019
    That is probably true -- probably just offset in "output" relative to the M700.
    Shape(s) of the curves probably similar.

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  • WLDock
    WLDock Posts: 3,073
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Looked up a photos for those (e.g., me!) who might be curious.
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    FWIW, I've never (well, not since I was college-age) considered price a very good marker for degree of 'fi'.
    Man do those ICEpower modules with the built in power supplies clean things up. This Steller line looks to be a nice move by PS Audio.


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  • dromunds
    dromunds Posts: 10,009
    Are these ICE modules produced by the same company that produced the ICE amps for Pioneer Elite receivers? I thought Pioneer and B&O had some kind of joint venture for designing the ICE modules in the Elite models and now I hear a Danish company is producing the ICE modules for PS Audio. I understand the other components associated with the ICE modules vary (perhaps substantially) given the various price points and other constraints or lack thereof in the final products, but just wondering if we're talking about the same or similar ICE modules? Just don't be calling me ICE curious.... Lol.
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  • WLDock
    WLDock Posts: 3,073
    The ICEpower story...

    https://icepower.dk/about/#history-expand

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICEpower
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  • dromunds
    dromunds Posts: 10,009
    Cool. Thanks!
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    I have to say, the more I listen to this amp the more I'm amazed. Seriously, at $1499 new it's a bargain and I only paid $950 used :^ / I'm just stunned.
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,934
    dragon1952 wrote: »
    I have to say, the more I listen to this amp the more I'm amazed. Seriously, at $1499 new it's a bargain and I only paid $950 used :^ / I'm just stunned.

    See guys? It's not just me who thinks it's amazing. :)
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,787
    edited March 2019
    or, another interpretation is that these amps don't retain their resale value very well...

    ;)
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  • stretchl
    stretchl Posts: 1,334
    @Clipdat How long are the XLR’s between the pre and the power amp? Thanks.
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  • kharp1
    kharp1 Posts: 3,453
    $950 used isn't that far off new considering Wally sells them for $1199 on a regular basis.
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,934
    stretchl wrote: »
    @Clipdat How long are the XLR’s between the pre and the power amp? Thanks.

    10 feet. Why do you ask?
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,934
    edited March 2019
    I had an incredible musical experience earlier when I listened to a song I've probably played 80 or more times, and tonight heard particular elements of it in a new way.

    It literally felt like certain elements of the song were wrapping around my head, like I was hearing them from the side and also coming from behind me. This crazy sensation served to completely envelop me and put me inside the music, and as a result I felt like I was closer to it than I've ever been before. I could fully appreciate every single sound within the song, however minute, with crystal clear detail and clarity. I was getting performance out of my speakers and system that I didn't think was even possible.

    I can't recommend the PS Audio Stellar Preamp & S300 stack highly enough. If you are on the fence, do it. Either hit up Wally at Underwood or order it directly from PS Audio with the 30 day trial. If you love music you really owe it to yourself to hear what this gear is capable of with your speakers.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, with the 30 day trial you literally have nothing to lose - and everything to gain.
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    kharp1 wrote: »
    $950 used isn't that far off new considering Wally sells them for $1199 on a regular basis.

    You mean Underwood? Well you can't find a listed price under $1499 anyway. I have no idea what most people are paying. Regardless, it's worth it.
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  • joecoulson
    joecoulson Posts: 4,943
    Drew - dont forget the PMC's which have been waiting to be pushed by this setup
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,934
    Well they didn't sound like this with the Bryston, that's for damn sure.
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  • gvera
    gvera Posts: 3
    Hi,

    I am willing to buy this amp or the M700 monoblock along a Stellar Gain Cell pre.
    The problem is I live in Uruguay and we have 220V/50hz here and I want to buy them in USA and import them as it is way more cheaper that way.
    Wally (from Underwood) says it's simple to convert the power supply from 110 to 220 by just resoldering the input wires.
    As it seems you have opened and checked the boards, is this true?
    Is it easy to see what you need to change?
    Thanks for any help.
    Regards,
    Gustavo
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  • joecoulson
    joecoulson Posts: 4,943
    Sounds like he said “buy them in USA”
    If the buyer takes US bought merchandise back to his home country, how is a dealer liable?
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