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nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,971
edited February 2019 in 2 Channel Audio
One area I will be addressing is having my turntable professionally calibrated and set up to ensure I am getting the most from it, but beyond that, I have reached a place that is the end of the road for upgrades and the days of looking for that next move are behind me. I am completely happy with the Pass Labs stack, turntable and of course, my amplifiers.

One area I may make a move later on is with my speakers, but that is so far down the road, and whatever I get would have such a high standard to meet that I have yet to find them. That leaves cables... Let me pause here and say if you cannot accept the premise that cables have a synergistic fit to a system that can make for dramatic improvement in the overall performance of a high end audio setup, do not post here. Your comments are not required.

I have been very happy with the Douglas Connection cables I have been using, but have decided to take full advantage of the XLR connections that all my gear now has and wish to upgrade. Currently, I am using AudioQuest Forest XLR and they are good, but feel I can do better. I am looking at MIT, but do not want to spend thousands on cables, especially when that money could be used to move up the chain in the Pass family. I am a newb to XLR connections and do not have much knowlege of the different types of cables within this subset of cables.

My length requirements are two sets of 1 meter, one set at 1.5/2 meter for the XLR, a set of 12 foot Bi-Wire speaker cables, 1 set of 1 meter RCA and 1 set of 3 meter RCA to connect the amplifiers to the preamp.


Thanks for any input and advice.
The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 505 SACD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.

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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 13,941
    edited February 2019
    Check out Shunyata. Unlike many cable vendors, they use science in designing cables, and provide tons of documentation to explain their work. I am using their TOTL cables (see sig), which might be out of your range, but their performance is better than cables from others that cost more, way more.

    Check out their lines just below the TOTL.

    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin X1 file player
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on preamp, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
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  • dragon1952dragon1952 Posts: 4,736
    edited February 2019
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Check out Shunyata. Unlike many cable vendors, they use science in designing cables, and provide tons of documentation to explain their work. I am using their TOTL cables (see sig), which might be out of your range, but their performance is better than cables from others that cost more, way more.

    Check out their lines just below the TOTL.

    If the Shunyata Venom XLR's are anywhere as good as the Venom RCA's then they should be a great choice......plus they look killer! I've been evaluating the Venom RCA's since getting a great deal on a used pair and I am super impressed, even though I never thought much of the Venom line of power cords.

    eujwaf7cfm8d.jpg


    Having said that, I wouldn't necessarily expect the XLR solution to be an upgrade over RCA even though there are/may be some inherent benefit.
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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 13,941
    edited February 2019
    dragon1952 wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Check out Shunyata. Unlike many cable vendors, they use science in designing cables, and provide tons of documentation to explain their work. I am using their TOTL cables (see sig), which might be out of your range, but their performance is better than cables from others that cost more, way more.

    Check out their lines just below the TOTL.

    If the Shunyata Venom XLR's are anywhere as good as the Venom RCA's then they should be a great choice......plus they look killer! I've been evaluating the Venom RCA's since getting a great deal on a used pair and I am super impressed, even though I never thought much of the Venom line of power cords.

    eujwaf7cfm8d.jpg

    I have those XLR Venoms, and speaker cables, in my HT/backup stereo and love them. My feeble brain forgot that. LOL. :)

    However, the Venoms are ‘entry’ level, so the next level (Delta or Alpha) might be more fitting for John.

    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin X1 file player
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on preamp, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
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  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 4,123
    Look into analysis plus
    Amplifiers: MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800,Kinki Studio EX-M1
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Transport/Dac: L.K.S MH-DA004, Cayin Venus cd-100i, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkI,
    Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Organic Audio Organic Reference 2, Analysis Plus Black Mesh Oval 9,
    Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
    Interconnects: Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2, Gabriel Gold Reckoning
    Power Cables by: Cullen Cables, 6sons Audio, Swiss Cables
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  • dragon1952dragon1952 Posts: 4,736
    BlueFox wrote: »
    dragon1952 wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Check out Shunyata. Unlike many cable vendors, they use science in designing cables, and provide tons of documentation to explain their work. I am using their TOTL cables (see sig), which might be out of your range, but their performance is better than cables from others that cost more, way more.

    Check out their lines just below the TOTL.

    If the Shunyata Venom XLR's are anywhere as good as the Venom RCA's then they should be a great choice......plus they look killer! I've been evaluating the Venom RCA's since getting a great deal on a used pair and I am super impressed, even though I never thought much of the Venom line of power cords.

    eujwaf7cfm8d.jpg

    I have those XLR Venoms, and speaker cables, in my HT/backup stereo and love them. My feeble brain forgot that. LOL. :)

    However, the Venoms are ‘entry’ level, so the next level (Delta or Alpha) might be more fitting for John.

    I tend not to put much stock into a cables placement in the hierarchy. Despite being entry level they still incorporate OHNO cast copper and " exclusive VTX (hollow-core) conductors, previously found only in higher-end designs"
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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 13,941
    dragon1952 wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    dragon1952 wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Check out Shunyata. Unlike many cable vendors, they use science in designing cables, and provide tons of documentation to explain their work. I am using their TOTL cables (see sig), which might be out of your range, but their performance is better than cables from others that cost more, way more.

    Check out their lines just below the TOTL.

    If the Shunyata Venom XLR's are anywhere as good as the Venom RCA's then they should be a great choice......plus they look killer! I've been evaluating the Venom RCA's since getting a great deal on a used pair and I am super impressed, even though I never thought much of the Venom line of power cords.

    eujwaf7cfm8d.jpg

    I have those XLR Venoms, and speaker cables, in my HT/backup stereo and love them. My feeble brain forgot that. LOL. :)

    However, the Venoms are ‘entry’ level, so the next level (Delta or Alpha) might be more fitting for John.

    I tend not to put much stock into a cables placement in the hierarchy. Despite being entry level they still incorporate OHNO cast copper and " exclusive VTX (hollow-core) conductors, previously found only in higher-end designs"

    Yes, that might be true. Since I haven’t heard the Delta or Alpha, I can’t speak from experience. However, I have come to conclude that Shunyata is honest and factual in their products, and descriptions. So, I suspect if your gear is capable of excellent resolution then those cables will help reveal it.

    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin X1 file player
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on preamp, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 45,212
    Why rule out MIT cables since you stated you're done upgrading the Pass gear?
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,971
    Haven't ruled out anything Jesse. MIT would be optimal for me, but I would need to go used on them. Just getting ideas for now.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 505 SACD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.

    I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” .

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
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  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 2,831
    Wireworld...
    Cambridge Audio 851N Streamer/DAC
    Belles 21A Pre modded with Mundorf Supreme caps
    B&K M200 Sonata monoblocks refreshed and upgraded
    Polk SDA 1C's modded
    Wireworld Silver Eclipse IC's and speaker cables
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,971
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    Haven't ruled out anything Jesse. MIT would be optimal for me, but I would need to go used on them. Just getting ideas for now.

    I am thinking Shotguns but there are so many series options that I don't know where to look.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 505 SACD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.

    I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” .

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 13,941
    MIT is fine. I was using Shotgun S1.3 in my stereo. However, there are better, and some vendors don’t double their list price so that vendors can appear to give ‘big’ discounts.

    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin X1 file player
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on preamp, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 45,212
    Nobody doubled the list price, they took 40 to 50% off the list.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 45,212
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    Haven't ruled out anything Jesse. MIT would be optimal for me, but I would need to go used on them. Just getting ideas for now.

    I am thinking Shotguns but there are so many series options that I don't know where to look.

    They don't make the Shotgun series any longer and not many show up on the used market because people keep them due to how good they sound.

    The current offerings are priced much higher than the older series, which is unfortunate.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 13,941
    F1nut wrote: »
    Nobody doubled the list price, they took 40 to 50% off the list.

    Okay. I never understood business.
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin X1 file player
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on preamp, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 45,212
    Me either. You make a good mid/high end audio product at a reasonable price, which is selling very well, so you stop making it. After a while you realize you've lost a lot of customers and your really high priced products aren't making you as much as you thought, so you bring back the original lower priced products with a different name, but price them much higher than they were years ago and wonder why your sales still suck.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • mantismantis Posts: 15,986
    Your using Forest XLR cables? Really? I never seen them before. Are you sure they are not Jaguar older models with 36v DBS system on them? All forest level cables are green in color. Can you take a pic of them?
    I can make you a full recommendation for your system can you list the exact components that your wiring between. I see the lengths and the Pass Labs XO.2 preamp and the Carver Monos. I also think your rewiring the DAC Perfect Wave from PS Audio and the 1.2 TL's.

    Some helpful tips on the speaker cables, if you buy Bi wire cables you will feel the need to buy speakers that can be bi wired as you may love your new wires. BUT you might find speakers down the road in your upgrade path that are not bi wirable and then you have to sell them and get new speaker cables again. Not the end of the world but it's something to think about.

    The analog interconnects at 3m your gonna want a good quality and keep them away from power wires so they have less ability to pick up any interference.

    Same with the 1m models.

    The Balanced is where when you upgrade your not gonna hear much difference as by design the balanced cable even entry level models are going to give you a very low noise floor and as long as they are high quality properly built cables it's so small in differences I'm completely agreeing with you about spending a lot of money here when that same money can be used to upgrade something else that will give you much better value results.

    You can PM me if you wish and I can talk to you over the phone. Once you confirm your system I will also leave a detailed spec here for you to think about.
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  • gmcmangmcman Posts: 1,596
    I recently used the lending library from The Cable Company to try some Synergistic Research RCA and speaker cables.

    I started with the Core UEF, then the Atmosphere UEF. Currently I have settled on the Atmosphere UEF level 1 RCA, and Atmosphere UEF level 2 speaker cables and I'm quite pleased. I don't know what they have now as far as the Atmosphere UEF, as they have upgraded their lineup to the Atmosphere X.

    They are quite detailed and have brought out the finer nuances. I feel the noise floor has been reduced as the overall presentation is a more quiet background with some added clarity to the midrange.

    This was coming from the S1's, and those were tough to beat and this is naturally system dependent.
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  • motorstereomotorstereo Posts: 1,519
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    Haven't ruled out anything Jesse. MIT would be optimal for me, but I would need to go used on them. Just getting ideas for now.

    I am thinking Shotguns but there are so many series options that I don't know where to look.

    I outfitted my entire rig with MIT cabling last year because of the good advice I got here and I'm very happy with the outcome. I use XLR's where ever I can and the MH750 bi-wire speaker cables work great with the 1.2tl's. The thick cables and boxes are a pain to work with but I think it's well worth it for the better sound. Part of the fun to I must admit was the hunt and the thrill of acquisition. Good luck to you in your quest and don't settle for anything else.
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  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 7,651
    I have a local friend, has the top of the line shunyata sigma speaker wire. To him, every other speaker wire he tried from audioquest to mit was preferable to him. He sold his shunyata and now has mit.

    He didn’t need to compare my wels to the shunyata.

    Fwiw
    Joey's Gear:
    Current Gear:
    Torus RM15 -> Emm Labs TSDx/Bluesound Node 2 -> Emm Labs DAC2x -> Audio Research Reference 40th Anniversary -> Boulder 2060 stereo amp (w/ Audioquest WEL Signature) -> new speakers + JL Audio F113v2 x2
    Rotel RA1592 Super Integrated -> Sonus Faber Olympica 3
    Oppo 105D -> Rotel RC1570 preamp -> Rotel RB1582 amp -> Focal Kanta 2

    Main speakers system evolution over the years:
    Klipsch Promedia 4.1 -> Axiom M22ti -> Sonus Faber Concertino -> Sonus Faber Concerto -> Polk LSi7 -> Polk LSi9 -> Martin Logan Mosaic -> AV123 Onix Ref 1 -> Martin Logan Vantage -> AV123 Strata Mini -> Martin Logan Summit -> Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor -> BW 802D2 -> Sonus Faber Stradivari -> Rockport Avior -> BW 802D3 -> BW 800D3 -> ???

    Old Gear:
    Speakers:
    BW PM1 (3.5/5), CM10s2 (3.75/5), BW800D3 (5/5), Rockport Aviors (5/5), Sonus Faber Stradivari (5/5), BW 802D2 (4.5/5), Martin Logan Summits (4.25/5), Martin Logan Vantage (4/5), Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor (3.75/5), AV123 Strata Mini (3.5/5), ML Mosaic (3.25/5), Onix Ref1 (3/5), Sonus Faber Concerto (2.75/5), SF Concertino (2.5/5), Axiom M22ti (2/5), Polk LSi9 (3/5), LSi7 (2.9/5)
    Source:
    Squeezebox 3 -> PS Audio Digital Link III -> Cary 306/200 CDP -> Cary 306 SACD -> EMM LABS DAC2X/TSDX
    Preamplification:
    Rotel RC1070 -> Rogue Perseus -> Cary SLP98 -> Cary SLP98F1 -> Cary SLP05 (sold and then repurchased) -> ARC 5se -> ARC Ref 40th Anniversary
    Amplification:
    HK AVR330 -> Rotel RB1070 -> Rotel RB1090 -> Plinius SA102 -> Cary 211FE -> Classe M600 -> Boulder 2060
    Subwoofer:
    Infinity Entra2 -> SVS 25-31PCi -> SVS 25-31PC+ -> Dual JL Audio F113v2
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  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 7,430
    Joey_V wrote: »
    I have a local friend, has the top of the line shunyata sigma speaker wire. To him, every other speaker wire he tried from audioquest to mit was preferable to him. He sold his shunyata and now has mit.

    He didn’t need to compare my wels to the shunyata.

    Fwiw

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  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 7,651
    I'm just saying, take all options with a grain of salt. A lot is about synergy.

    FWIW, he felt the alpha were better than the sigmas (speaker wire).
    Joey's Gear:
    Current Gear:
    Torus RM15 -> Emm Labs TSDx/Bluesound Node 2 -> Emm Labs DAC2x -> Audio Research Reference 40th Anniversary -> Boulder 2060 stereo amp (w/ Audioquest WEL Signature) -> new speakers + JL Audio F113v2 x2
    Rotel RA1592 Super Integrated -> Sonus Faber Olympica 3
    Oppo 105D -> Rotel RC1570 preamp -> Rotel RB1582 amp -> Focal Kanta 2

    Main speakers system evolution over the years:
    Klipsch Promedia 4.1 -> Axiom M22ti -> Sonus Faber Concertino -> Sonus Faber Concerto -> Polk LSi7 -> Polk LSi9 -> Martin Logan Mosaic -> AV123 Onix Ref 1 -> Martin Logan Vantage -> AV123 Strata Mini -> Martin Logan Summit -> Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor -> BW 802D2 -> Sonus Faber Stradivari -> Rockport Avior -> BW 802D3 -> BW 800D3 -> ???

    Old Gear:
    Speakers:
    BW PM1 (3.5/5), CM10s2 (3.75/5), BW800D3 (5/5), Rockport Aviors (5/5), Sonus Faber Stradivari (5/5), BW 802D2 (4.5/5), Martin Logan Summits (4.25/5), Martin Logan Vantage (4/5), Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor (3.75/5), AV123 Strata Mini (3.5/5), ML Mosaic (3.25/5), Onix Ref1 (3/5), Sonus Faber Concerto (2.75/5), SF Concertino (2.5/5), Axiom M22ti (2/5), Polk LSi9 (3/5), LSi7 (2.9/5)
    Source:
    Squeezebox 3 -> PS Audio Digital Link III -> Cary 306/200 CDP -> Cary 306 SACD -> EMM LABS DAC2X/TSDX
    Preamplification:
    Rotel RC1070 -> Rogue Perseus -> Cary SLP98 -> Cary SLP98F1 -> Cary SLP05 (sold and then repurchased) -> ARC 5se -> ARC Ref 40th Anniversary
    Amplification:
    HK AVR330 -> Rotel RB1070 -> Rotel RB1090 -> Plinius SA102 -> Cary 211FE -> Classe M600 -> Boulder 2060
    Subwoofer:
    Infinity Entra2 -> SVS 25-31PCi -> SVS 25-31PC+ -> Dual JL Audio F113v2
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  • ThortonThorton Posts: 1,306
    Joey_V wrote: »
    I'm just saying, take all options with a grain of salt. A lot is about synergy.

    And the personal preference on what the individual wants in sound.
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,971
    Thorton wrote: »
    Joey_V wrote: »
    I'm just saying, take all options with a grain of salt. A lot is about synergy.

    And the personal preference on what the individual wants in sound.

    The pricing on anything new is pretty much out of the question with anything I am looking at. What about used options?

    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 505 SACD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.

    I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” .

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,971
    mantis wrote: »
    Your using Forest XLR cables? Really? I never seen them before. Are you sure they are not Jaguar older models with 36v DBS system on them? All forest level cables are green in color. Can you take a pic of them?

    My bad... they are Macenzie. PM sent.

    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 505 SACD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.

    I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” .

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
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  • dragon1952dragon1952 Posts: 4,736
    I'm constantly checking 5 or 6 different sites classifieds multiple times daily so let me know what you are looking to spend and I'll keep an eye out.
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    2 channel - PS Audio Stellar S300 amp, PS Audio DirectStream DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5 running Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC24, Matrix X-SPDIF 2 USB interface, Blackbird SSD dock with 500 GB Samsung 860 EVO, Tom Tutay modded EE Minimax preamp, Furman Elite 15 Pfi power conditioner, Martin Logan Electromotion ESL speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Kimber 4TC speaker wire, Gabriel Gold Reflection V2 IC's, VH Audio power cords, Wireworld USB and HDMI/I2S cables
    Computer - Windows 7/JRiver, Topping D10 DAC, Fostex PMO.4n monitors
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  • mantismantis Posts: 15,986
    dragon1952 wrote: »
    I'm constantly checking 5 or 6 different sites classifieds multiple times daily so let me know what you are looking to spend and I'll keep an eye out.
    Dude I almost spit my Grandmom's birthday cake out when I read you post. I saw myself doing the same level and higher research on cables and what I could buy next LOL. I think we may have some issues that need to be worked out LOL.

    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • dragon1952dragon1952 Posts: 4,736
    Ha ha....well when you're retired and used to sitting in front of a computer for the past 40 years, well......what can I say. Sometimes I just sit there and stare at the screen thinking, 'what can I Google next'? :^ /
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    2 channel - PS Audio Stellar S300 amp, PS Audio DirectStream DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5 running Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC24, Matrix X-SPDIF 2 USB interface, Blackbird SSD dock with 500 GB Samsung 860 EVO, Tom Tutay modded EE Minimax preamp, Furman Elite 15 Pfi power conditioner, Martin Logan Electromotion ESL speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Kimber 4TC speaker wire, Gabriel Gold Reflection V2 IC's, VH Audio power cords, Wireworld USB and HDMI/I2S cables
    Computer - Windows 7/JRiver, Topping D10 DAC, Fostex PMO.4n monitors
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  • mantismantis Posts: 15,986
    Dude that rules!!!! Retired huh, what's that like?
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • dragon1952dragon1952 Posts: 4,736
    Indescribable really. Sometimes I wonder what I did to deserve this. I retired at 53, 12 yrs ago, and I get free money for life for doing absolutely nothing.
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    2 channel - PS Audio Stellar S300 amp, PS Audio DirectStream DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5 running Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC24, Matrix X-SPDIF 2 USB interface, Blackbird SSD dock with 500 GB Samsung 860 EVO, Tom Tutay modded EE Minimax preamp, Furman Elite 15 Pfi power conditioner, Martin Logan Electromotion ESL speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Kimber 4TC speaker wire, Gabriel Gold Reflection V2 IC's, VH Audio power cords, Wireworld USB and HDMI/I2S cables
    Computer - Windows 7/JRiver, Topping D10 DAC, Fostex PMO.4n monitors
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  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 7,651
    dragon1952 wrote: »
    Indescribable really. Sometimes I wonder what I did to deserve this. I retired at 53, 12 yrs ago, and I get free money for life for doing absolutely nothing.

    For doing something before.
    Joey's Gear:
    Current Gear:
    Torus RM15 -> Emm Labs TSDx/Bluesound Node 2 -> Emm Labs DAC2x -> Audio Research Reference 40th Anniversary -> Boulder 2060 stereo amp (w/ Audioquest WEL Signature) -> new speakers + JL Audio F113v2 x2
    Rotel RA1592 Super Integrated -> Sonus Faber Olympica 3
    Oppo 105D -> Rotel RC1570 preamp -> Rotel RB1582 amp -> Focal Kanta 2

    Main speakers system evolution over the years:
    Klipsch Promedia 4.1 -> Axiom M22ti -> Sonus Faber Concertino -> Sonus Faber Concerto -> Polk LSi7 -> Polk LSi9 -> Martin Logan Mosaic -> AV123 Onix Ref 1 -> Martin Logan Vantage -> AV123 Strata Mini -> Martin Logan Summit -> Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor -> BW 802D2 -> Sonus Faber Stradivari -> Rockport Avior -> BW 802D3 -> BW 800D3 -> ???

    Old Gear:
    Speakers:
    BW PM1 (3.5/5), CM10s2 (3.75/5), BW800D3 (5/5), Rockport Aviors (5/5), Sonus Faber Stradivari (5/5), BW 802D2 (4.5/5), Martin Logan Summits (4.25/5), Martin Logan Vantage (4/5), Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor (3.75/5), AV123 Strata Mini (3.5/5), ML Mosaic (3.25/5), Onix Ref1 (3/5), Sonus Faber Concerto (2.75/5), SF Concertino (2.5/5), Axiom M22ti (2/5), Polk LSi9 (3/5), LSi7 (2.9/5)
    Source:
    Squeezebox 3 -> PS Audio Digital Link III -> Cary 306/200 CDP -> Cary 306 SACD -> EMM LABS DAC2X/TSDX
    Preamplification:
    Rotel RC1070 -> Rogue Perseus -> Cary SLP98 -> Cary SLP98F1 -> Cary SLP05 (sold and then repurchased) -> ARC 5se -> ARC Ref 40th Anniversary
    Amplification:
    HK AVR330 -> Rotel RB1070 -> Rotel RB1090 -> Plinius SA102 -> Cary 211FE -> Classe M600 -> Boulder 2060
    Subwoofer:
    Infinity Entra2 -> SVS 25-31PCi -> SVS 25-31PC+ -> Dual JL Audio F113v2
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