Parasound P6 VS PS Audio Stellar Gain Pre/DAC

Anyone have either one of these and if so your thoughts?
Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT/Denon SACD - Parasound P6 - PS Audio M700x2 - Elac Adante AF-61
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,140
    I don't have anything meaningful to say, except for that the Parasound is backordered until 12/31. Just FYI if you were thinking about trying to get it before the end of the year.
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,462
    edited December 2018
    Yes. I know and it’s what prompted bringing the PS A into the mix
    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT/Denon SACD - Parasound P6 - PS Audio M700x2 - Elac Adante AF-61
  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 19,008
    Get what you WANT---NOT was is available. That never ends well.
  • jdjohnjdjohn Posts: 951
    I have a PS Audio Stellar Gain pre/DAC and like it very much. It replaced a Peachtree Audio novaPre hybrid w/DAC for me. I've never played with a Parasound P6...or any of their gear, actually.

    It looks like the P6 has more bells and whistles for sure. The Stellar Gain is much simpler.

    Of course I can't compare sound qualities between the two, but I can tell you the Stellar Gain has done everything I've asked of it, and it is super quiet. PSA goes into a lot of detail on their website about the Gain Cell technology. I actually bought their S300 class D amp as well.

    For DAC purposes, I run a Logitech Squeeze Box Touch with digital coax out into the Stellar Gain's DAC. It has an IS2 input if that is important to you.

    For analog, I run an external phono preamp into one of the analog input pairs on the Stellar Gain pre. I see that the P6 has a built-in phono stage.

    I've had a few other PSA products, and just seem to like their stuff. Parasound seems to get more love here than PSA, but that's fine. Parasound clearly makes good gear as well.
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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,462
    Thank You for the feedback
    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT/Denon SACD - Parasound P6 - PS Audio M700x2 - Elac Adante AF-61
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 3,349
    edited December 2018
    I have the PSA Direct Stream DAC as well as the memory player, so more apples to oranges, but, I have nothing but good things to say about them. I'm extremely impressed with them and how they handle their business. Will be purchasing the upcoming streamer when it comes out next year, and, may ultimately move to an all PSA system.

    I have no experience with the P6 but did own a 5. Wasn't impressed. The DAC was not good. As a stand alone pre it was decent, but, it didn't make the cut and was quickly sold. True, they have lots of bells and whistles, but, I don't want or need bells and whistles...just need a good piece of gear that sounds good.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII Upgraded by Rich Brkich Pre
    Butler Audio TBD 2250 Amp
    PS Audio DirectStream DAC and MemoryPlayer Transport
    LSA-1 Statement
    SVS SB4000 & SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

    Backup Gear:
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,462
    Again. Good feedback. I’m slowly thinking the bells and whistles get more attn and I have seen lots of much higher end guys than me going all PSA like yourself. Food for thought. Thank You
    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT/Denon SACD - Parasound P6 - PS Audio M700x2 - Elac Adante AF-61
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,140
    Joe, are you open to other preamp suggestions aside from just Parasound or PS Audio?
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,462
    Others for sure with similar connectivity
    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT/Denon SACD - Parasound P6 - PS Audio M700x2 - Elac Adante AF-61
  • 2 channel: Anthem 225 Integrated amp; Parasound Ztuner; TechnicsTT SL1350; Vincent PHO-8 phono pre; Marantz CD6005 spinner; Polk SDA2BTL's; Cables ZU Mission IC's, SC and power cords, all into a PS Audio Dectet Power center.

    All TV's sound enhanced by Polk Magnfi Mini's.

    Other; S60'S, M10 series II, M7C's, Hafler XL600 amp, RB-980BX, Parasound HCA-1500 amp , P5 preamp, all in storage. All speakers have had crossover rebuilds, resulting in a small fortune invested in Sonicaps, and tweeter upgrades.

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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,140
    Impressive backside.

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    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 3,349
    Underwood has the Stellar Gain Cell for $1079 delivered right now. P6 runs $1500. Anthem at $4k is a sizable increase in price. Wonder if it offers 3-4x the sound quality.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII Upgraded by Rich Brkich Pre
    Butler Audio TBD 2250 Amp
    PS Audio DirectStream DAC and MemoryPlayer Transport
    LSA-1 Statement
    SVS SB4000 & SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

    Backup Gear:
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,444
    kharp1 wrote: »
    Underwood has the Stellar Gain Cell for $1079 delivered right now. P6 runs $1500. Anthem at $4k is a sizable increase in price. Wonder if it offers 3-4x the sound quality.

    You know how that usually turns out.

    Man, for the price of that Anthem, you could get a nice Joule, Vac, VTL and still have change for an amp or nice Dac. Even one of those fancy integrateds like the Mac or Carver, and still have change left for a dac, or a streamer, better cables.
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    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,462
    Kerry how did you know it was that price? Did you call?
    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT/Denon SACD - Parasound P6 - PS Audio M700x2 - Elac Adante AF-61
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 3,349
    I get ads from them. Call him and talk to him, he's pretty good to deal with. I'll try and PM you the ad.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII Upgraded by Rich Brkich Pre
    Butler Audio TBD 2250 Amp
    PS Audio DirectStream DAC and MemoryPlayer Transport
    LSA-1 Statement
    SVS SB4000 & SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

    Backup Gear:
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,462
    That’s cool because their warehouse is across town from me.
    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT/Denon SACD - Parasound P6 - PS Audio M700x2 - Elac Adante AF-61
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,140
    tonyb wrote: »
    You know how that usually turns out.

    Serious question: How does that usually turn out?

    Because my last several experiences have very much been "you get what you pay for".
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 3,349
    edited December 2018
    Clipdat wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    You know how that usually turns out.

    Serious question: How does that usually turn out?

    Because my last several experiences have very much been "you get what you pay for".

    There is a point of diminishing returns. If you have the money and want to spend 4x that's a personal thing, one I won't fault a person for, but, when you're moving from one elevated level to the next the returns are harder to justify.

    No disrespect to Anthem, I had one of their pre amps, just generalizing.

    I do agree that you often get what you pay for, but, again, when you get to a certain level the expectation of quality should be given.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII Upgraded by Rich Brkich Pre
    Butler Audio TBD 2250 Amp
    PS Audio DirectStream DAC and MemoryPlayer Transport
    LSA-1 Statement
    SVS SB4000 & SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

    Backup Gear:
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,462
    Clipdat wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    You know how that usually turns out.

    Serious question: How does that usually turn out?

    Because my last several experiences have very much been "you get what you pay for".

    Sans the AQ cable..
    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT/Denon SACD - Parasound P6 - PS Audio M700x2 - Elac Adante AF-61
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,121
    kharp1 wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    You know how that usually turns out.

    Serious question: How does that usually turn out?

    Because my last several experiences have very much been "you get what you pay for".

    There is a point of diminishing returns. If you have the money and want to spend 4x that's a personal thing, one I won't fault a person for, but, when you're moving from one elevated level to the next the returns are harder to justify.

    No disrespect to Anthem, I had one of their pre amps, just generalizing.

    I do agree that you often get what you pay for, but, again, when you get to a certain level the expectation of quality should be given.

    I actually disagree with diminishing returns. I think as you move up you have bottlenecks that can create said diminishing returns. The reason a $3,000 DAC can perform at the level of a $10,000 DAC boils down to the system it is placed in. It's not really an account of the cheaper unit playing UP to the expensive units level, but the expensive unit being forced to play DOWN to the level of the cheaper unit.

    I used to believe in the diminishing returns argument but as I've gone higher and higher my viewpoint has changed.
  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 5,637
    If a $5000 system sounds twice as good as a $2500 system. Will a $10,000 sound twice as good as a $5000 system etc? My guess is once you get to a certain point improvements are less substanial. Will a $100,000 sound as good as a $200,000 system? I doubt I will ever know but I would bet that 200k system would sound damn near as good as a $1,000,000 system.

    I have a P5 and it gets its main job done just fine. The DAC and the phono stage leave something to be desired. It looks like Parasound has improved on these aspects in the P6. However if I were moving up I would likely look in another direction sans the extra bells and whistles.
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,462
    DSkip wrote: »
    kharp1 wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    You know how that usually turns out.

    Serious question: How does that usually turn out?

    Because my last several experiences have very much been "you get what you pay for".

    There is a point of diminishing returns. If you have the money and want to spend 4x that's a personal thing, one I won't fault a person for, but, when you're moving from one elevated level to the next the returns are harder to justify.

    No disrespect to Anthem, I had one of their pre amps, just generalizing.

    I do agree that you often get what you pay for, but, again, when you get to a certain level the expectation of quality should be given.

    I actually disagree with diminishing returns. I think as you move up you have bottlenecks that can create said diminishing returns. The reason a $3,000 DAC can perform at the level of a $10,000 DAC boils down to the system it is placed in. It's not really an account of the cheaper unit playing UP to the expensive units level, but the expensive unit being forced to play DOWN to the level of the cheaper unit.

    I used to believe in the diminishing returns argument but as I've gone higher and higher my viewpoint has changed.

    Hmm. Wondering if the massive amount of coin colors the view...;)
    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT/Denon SACD - Parasound P6 - PS Audio M700x2 - Elac Adante AF-61
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,121
    The differences the products bring at different levels are different and in that you can argue diminishing returns. The fact is, they're just different. It is REALLY hard to get great depth in a system without spending some coin. Possible, yes, but its a major uphill battle. When you introduce a third dimension the differences are much more prevalent.
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 14,352
    you could also check out some used Ayre pre-amps they are pretty reasonable used and great pieces.
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,462
    For sure I’m not rushing into this one. I almost called Underwood today and ordered that one. Gonna see about waiting to do more research
    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT/Denon SACD - Parasound P6 - PS Audio M700x2 - Elac Adante AF-61
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,462
    May even go tube pre
    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT/Denon SACD - Parasound P6 - PS Audio M700x2 - Elac Adante AF-61
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 3,349
    DSkip wrote: »
    kharp1 wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    You know how that usually turns out.

    Serious question: How does that usually turn out?

    Because my last several experiences have very much been "you get what you pay for".

    There is a point of diminishing returns. If you have the money and want to spend 4x that's a personal thing, one I won't fault a person for, but, when you're moving from one elevated level to the next the returns are harder to justify.

    No disrespect to Anthem, I had one of their pre amps, just generalizing.

    I do agree that you often get what you pay for, but, again, when you get to a certain level the expectation of quality should be given.

    I actually disagree with diminishing returns. I think as you move up you have bottlenecks that can create said diminishing returns. The reason a $3,000 DAC can perform at the level of a $10,000 DAC boils down to the system it is placed in. It's not really an account of the cheaper unit playing UP to the expensive units level, but the expensive unit being forced to play DOWN to the level of the cheaper unit.

    I used to believe in the diminishing returns argument but as I've gone higher and higher my viewpoint has changed.

    Looking for the "you're a moron" button. ;)
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII Upgraded by Rich Brkich Pre
    Butler Audio TBD 2250 Amp
    PS Audio DirectStream DAC and MemoryPlayer Transport
    LSA-1 Statement
    SVS SB4000 & SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

    Backup Gear:
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,121
    kharp1 wrote: »
    DSkip wrote: »
    kharp1 wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    You know how that usually turns out.

    Serious question: How does that usually turn out?

    Because my last several experiences have very much been "you get what you pay for".

    There is a point of diminishing returns. If you have the money and want to spend 4x that's a personal thing, one I won't fault a person for, but, when you're moving from one elevated level to the next the returns are harder to justify.

    No disrespect to Anthem, I had one of their pre amps, just generalizing.

    I do agree that you often get what you pay for, but, again, when you get to a certain level the expectation of quality should be given.

    I actually disagree with diminishing returns. I think as you move up you have bottlenecks that can create said diminishing returns. The reason a $3,000 DAC can perform at the level of a $10,000 DAC boils down to the system it is placed in. It's not really an account of the cheaper unit playing UP to the expensive units level, but the expensive unit being forced to play DOWN to the level of the cheaper unit.

    I used to believe in the diminishing returns argument but as I've gone higher and higher my viewpoint has changed.

    Looking for the "you're a moron" button. ;)

    THIS is the right thread. Sigh.

    It's apparently on my forehead. That's the only reason I can think of as to why people keep slamming their palm in it. The more they hit it, the better it works too. Point proven in the other thread.
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 3,349
    I figured you'd catch up sooner or later.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII Upgraded by Rich Brkich Pre
    Butler Audio TBD 2250 Amp
    PS Audio DirectStream DAC and MemoryPlayer Transport
    LSA-1 Statement
    SVS SB4000 & SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

    Backup Gear:
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,462
    Lmao. Was wondering why you were slamming that other thread
    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT/Denon SACD - Parasound P6 - PS Audio M700x2 - Elac Adante AF-61
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