Parasound P6 VS PS Audio Stellar Gain Pre/DAC

Anyone have either one of these and if so your thoughts?
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,974
    I don't have anything meaningful to say, except for that the Parasound is backordered until 12/31. Just FYI if you were thinking about trying to get it before the end of the year.
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 999
    edited December 5
    Yes. I know and it’s what prompted bringing the PS A into the mix
  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 18,426
    Get what you WANT---NOT was is available. That never ends well.
    Transport: Oppo BDP-103/USB HDD | Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2L | Power Amp: Parasound Halo A21 | Speakers: PSB Imagine T2 | Cables: Signal Cable XLR; Kimber 8VS Bi-Wire; Belden 1694A Dig Coax | AC Power: Panamax M5300-PM
  • jdjohnjdjohn Posts: 486
    I have a PS Audio Stellar Gain pre/DAC and like it very much. It replaced a Peachtree Audio novaPre hybrid w/DAC for me. I've never played with a Parasound P6...or any of their gear, actually.

    It looks like the P6 has more bells and whistles for sure. The Stellar Gain is much simpler.

    Of course I can't compare sound qualities between the two, but I can tell you the Stellar Gain has done everything I've asked of it, and it is super quiet. PSA goes into a lot of detail on their website about the Gain Cell technology. I actually bought their S300 class D amp as well.

    For DAC purposes, I run a Logitech Squeeze Box Touch with digital coax out into the Stellar Gain's DAC. It has an IS2 input if that is important to you.

    For analog, I run an external phono preamp into one of the analog input pairs on the Stellar Gain pre. I see that the P6 has a built-in phono stage.

    I've had a few other PSA products, and just seem to like their stuff. Parasound seems to get more love here than PSA, but that's fine. Parasound clearly makes good gear as well.
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 999
    Thank You for the feedback
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,587
    edited December 5
    I have the PSA Direct Stream DAC as well as the memory player, so more apples to oranges, but, I have nothing but good things to say about them. I'm extremely impressed with them and how they handle their business. Will be purchasing the upcoming streamer when it comes out next year, and, may ultimately move to an all PSA system.

    I have no experience with the P6 but did own a 5. Wasn't impressed. The DAC was not good. As a stand alone pre it was decent, but, it didn't make the cut and was quickly sold. True, they have lots of bells and whistles, but, I don't want or need bells and whistles...just need a good piece of gear that sounds good.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 999
    Again. Good feedback. I’m slowly thinking the bells and whistles get more attn and I have seen lots of much higher end guys than me going all PSA like yourself. Food for thought. Thank You
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,974
    Joe, are you open to other preamp suggestions aside from just Parasound or PS Audio?
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 999
    Others for sure with similar connectivity
  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 2,925
    2 channel: Anthem 225 Integrated amp; Parasound Ztuner; TechnicsTT SL1350; Vincent PHO-8 phono pre; Marantz CD6005 spinner; Polk Signature S60's;Cables: Wireworld Eclipse IC; Audioquest Big Sur IC; ZU Audio Mission speaker cables; PS Audio AC-3 power cords, all into a PS Audio Dectet Power center.

    All TV's sound enhanced by Polk Magnfi Mini's.

    Other; SDA2BTL's, M10 series II, M7C's, Hafler XL600 amp, RB-980BX, Parasound HCA-1500 amp , P5 preamp, all in storage. All speakers have had crossover rebuilds, resulting in a small fortune invested in Sonicaps, and tweeter upgrades.

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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,974
    Impressive backside.

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  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,587
    Underwood has the Stellar Gain Cell for $1079 delivered right now. P6 runs $1500. Anthem at $4k is a sizable increase in price. Wonder if it offers 3-4x the sound quality.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,184
    kharp1 wrote: »
    Underwood has the Stellar Gain Cell for $1079 delivered right now. P6 runs $1500. Anthem at $4k is a sizable increase in price. Wonder if it offers 3-4x the sound quality.

    You know how that usually turns out.

    Man, for the price of that Anthem, you could get a nice Joule, Vac, VTL and still have change for an amp or nice Dac. Even one of those fancy integrateds like the Mac or Carver, and still have change left for a dac, or a streamer, better cables.
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    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 999
    Kerry how did you know it was that price? Did you call?
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,587
    I get ads from them. Call him and talk to him, he's pretty good to deal with. I'll try and PM you the ad.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 999
    That’s cool because their warehouse is across town from me.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,974
    tonyb wrote: »
    You know how that usually turns out.

    Serious question: How does that usually turn out?

    Because my last several experiences have very much been "you get what you pay for".
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,587
    edited December 7
    Clipdat wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    You know how that usually turns out.

    Serious question: How does that usually turn out?

    Because my last several experiences have very much been "you get what you pay for".

    There is a point of diminishing returns. If you have the money and want to spend 4x that's a personal thing, one I won't fault a person for, but, when you're moving from one elevated level to the next the returns are harder to justify.

    No disrespect to Anthem, I had one of their pre amps, just generalizing.

    I do agree that you often get what you pay for, but, again, when you get to a certain level the expectation of quality should be given.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 999
    Clipdat wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    You know how that usually turns out.

    Serious question: How does that usually turn out?

    Because my last several experiences have very much been "you get what you pay for".

    Sans the AQ cable..
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,136
    kharp1 wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    You know how that usually turns out.

    Serious question: How does that usually turn out?

    Because my last several experiences have very much been "you get what you pay for".

    There is a point of diminishing returns. If you have the money and want to spend 4x that's a personal thing, one I won't fault a person for, but, when you're moving from one elevated level to the next the returns are harder to justify.

    No disrespect to Anthem, I had one of their pre amps, just generalizing.

    I do agree that you often get what you pay for, but, again, when you get to a certain level the expectation of quality should be given.

    I actually disagree with diminishing returns. I think as you move up you have bottlenecks that can create said diminishing returns. The reason a $3,000 DAC can perform at the level of a $10,000 DAC boils down to the system it is placed in. It's not really an account of the cheaper unit playing UP to the expensive units level, but the expensive unit being forced to play DOWN to the level of the cheaper unit.

    I used to believe in the diminishing returns argument but as I've gone higher and higher my viewpoint has changed.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Pienza, Certaldo, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S15, RTA 15tl, RTi12; Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, Legato Unum, Legato Semis, Legato Duo; Emerald Physics CS-2.8; Klipsch KLF-20
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: BoX, Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 4,679
    If a $5000 system sounds twice as good as a $2500 system. Will a $10,000 sound twice as good as a $5000 system etc? My guess is once you get to a certain point improvements are less substanial. Will a $100,000 sound as good as a $200,000 system? I doubt I will ever know but I would bet that 200k system would sound damn near as good as a $1,000,000 system.

    I have a P5 and it gets its main job done just fine. The DAC and the phono stage leave something to be desired. It looks like Parasound has improved on these aspects in the P6. However if I were moving up I would likely look in another direction sans the extra bells and whistles.
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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 999
    DSkip wrote: »
    kharp1 wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    You know how that usually turns out.

    Serious question: How does that usually turn out?

    Because my last several experiences have very much been "you get what you pay for".

    There is a point of diminishing returns. If you have the money and want to spend 4x that's a personal thing, one I won't fault a person for, but, when you're moving from one elevated level to the next the returns are harder to justify.

    No disrespect to Anthem, I had one of their pre amps, just generalizing.

    I do agree that you often get what you pay for, but, again, when you get to a certain level the expectation of quality should be given.

    I actually disagree with diminishing returns. I think as you move up you have bottlenecks that can create said diminishing returns. The reason a $3,000 DAC can perform at the level of a $10,000 DAC boils down to the system it is placed in. It's not really an account of the cheaper unit playing UP to the expensive units level, but the expensive unit being forced to play DOWN to the level of the cheaper unit.

    I used to believe in the diminishing returns argument but as I've gone higher and higher my viewpoint has changed.

    Hmm. Wondering if the massive amount of coin colors the view...;)
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,136
    The differences the products bring at different levels are different and in that you can argue diminishing returns. The fact is, they're just different. It is REALLY hard to get great depth in a system without spending some coin. Possible, yes, but its a major uphill battle. When you introduce a third dimension the differences are much more prevalent.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Pienza, Certaldo, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S15, RTA 15tl, RTi12; Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, Legato Unum, Legato Semis, Legato Duo; Emerald Physics CS-2.8; Klipsch KLF-20
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: BoX, Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 11,525
    you could also check out some used Ayre pre-amps they are pretty reasonable used and great pieces.
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 999
    For sure I’m not rushing into this one. I almost called Underwood today and ordered that one. Gonna see about waiting to do more research
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 999
    May even go tube pre
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,587
    DSkip wrote: »
    kharp1 wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    You know how that usually turns out.

    Serious question: How does that usually turn out?

    Because my last several experiences have very much been "you get what you pay for".

    There is a point of diminishing returns. If you have the money and want to spend 4x that's a personal thing, one I won't fault a person for, but, when you're moving from one elevated level to the next the returns are harder to justify.

    No disrespect to Anthem, I had one of their pre amps, just generalizing.

    I do agree that you often get what you pay for, but, again, when you get to a certain level the expectation of quality should be given.

    I actually disagree with diminishing returns. I think as you move up you have bottlenecks that can create said diminishing returns. The reason a $3,000 DAC can perform at the level of a $10,000 DAC boils down to the system it is placed in. It's not really an account of the cheaper unit playing UP to the expensive units level, but the expensive unit being forced to play DOWN to the level of the cheaper unit.

    I used to believe in the diminishing returns argument but as I've gone higher and higher my viewpoint has changed.

    Looking for the "you're a moron" button. ;)
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,136
    kharp1 wrote: »
    DSkip wrote: »
    kharp1 wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    You know how that usually turns out.

    Serious question: How does that usually turn out?

    Because my last several experiences have very much been "you get what you pay for".

    There is a point of diminishing returns. If you have the money and want to spend 4x that's a personal thing, one I won't fault a person for, but, when you're moving from one elevated level to the next the returns are harder to justify.

    No disrespect to Anthem, I had one of their pre amps, just generalizing.

    I do agree that you often get what you pay for, but, again, when you get to a certain level the expectation of quality should be given.

    I actually disagree with diminishing returns. I think as you move up you have bottlenecks that can create said diminishing returns. The reason a $3,000 DAC can perform at the level of a $10,000 DAC boils down to the system it is placed in. It's not really an account of the cheaper unit playing UP to the expensive units level, but the expensive unit being forced to play DOWN to the level of the cheaper unit.

    I used to believe in the diminishing returns argument but as I've gone higher and higher my viewpoint has changed.

    Looking for the "you're a moron" button. ;)

    THIS is the right thread. Sigh.

    It's apparently on my forehead. That's the only reason I can think of as to why people keep slamming their palm in it. The more they hit it, the better it works too. Point proven in the other thread.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Pienza, Certaldo, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S15, RTA 15tl, RTi12; Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, Legato Unum, Legato Semis, Legato Duo; Emerald Physics CS-2.8; Klipsch KLF-20
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: BoX, Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,587
    I figured you'd catch up sooner or later.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 999
    Lmao. Was wondering why you were slamming that other thread
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